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Mick Keelty's AFP - No Triple Zero Heroes
It would seem, reading our Federal Police Top Cop's version of events, that police didn't react to a man being clubbed to death until somebody rang the public emergency phone number.
All that new counterterrorism technology brought in since September 11 2001 apparently gives no protection to passengers on the ground before a plane takes off. This was demonstrated yesterday as would-be passengers watched a man being clubbed to death with airport equipment, and his attackers casually depart the crime scene by taxi.
Did the AFP, State Police and security contractors watch the man being bludgeoned through their anti-terrorist cameras? Did they hear the crack of bone before the man died of his head wounds? What did they do next? Keelty's comments suggest that they sat on their hands until somebody phoned for help.
Here's Keelty's vindication of the police response, as reported in the Daily Telegraph:
"The first call went to triple-0 at 1.43 yesterday afternoon," he said.
"The first call to the airport police command came in at 1.46. And the first police responded at 1.47, one minute later.
"So in terms of response times, it's all within acceptable practice."
Perhaps police and security were determining if the fracas was a diversion for more sinister activities? Maybe they thought the bikies were fakes and bombs were being slipped into luggage as the fight took place? You'd like to think so, but it seems more likely that the airport's video monitors must have been replaying last weeks episode of Border Security, City Homicide or some other copper "feelgood." Surely they couldn't have been displaying somebody dying literally on their front doorstep without action being taken?
What has been plainly demonstrated by this lack of action is that Australian airport security has little to do with the protection of Australians on Australian soil. It's something many have suspected for a while, and now it's quite justifiable to think that airport law enforcement is much too focussed on what lives might be lost in the air than on what blood might be spilled at the check-in counter.
For Keelty to explain to us that all the security measures we've endured for the last eight years were meaningless, ,and that his forces acted only in response to a phone call from a concerned Samaritan, should be regarded as an admission of police neglect That he could allow Mahommad Haneef to be locked away because of something happening at an airport in Glasgow and yet leave Australian citizens to watch a man die in a departure hall (till one of them rang for help) suggests that he and his police desperately need to re-examine their priorities.
Tuesday Update:It gets worse. Now we have not only an altercation beginning on the plane, with the players making mobile phone calls tor people on the ground to arrive in readiness, but also the security guards watching the fight begin and moving passengers away from the fisticuffs being only able to contact police (150 being the airport's full compliment, and that many being on duty on the day) by relaying a message through their head office, and the fatality and unopposed departure of the fighters.
[Australian extract]
PASSENGERS and crew on a lunchtime Qantas flight from Melbourne to Sydney knew trouble was brewing when six heavily tattooed and muscular men became agitated and started using their mobile phones mid-flight.
After landing, they bolted from their seats on flight QF430 before they were told to leave, with one shouting, "C'mon boys, let's go".
Qantas staff watched as they shouted and shoved each other as they left via Gate 5 of the domestic terminal – with one staff member calling for security to direct other passengers away from the men.
Court documents say senior members of the Hells Angels and the Comancheros were on the flight. Police suspect they had called reinforcements to the airport. During the ensuing fight which continued through the terminal, spilling out between the check-in counters and into the public waiting area, the brawling men were allegedly heard yelling "I am going to kill you, c..t. I am going to kill you."
But the message about the potentially dangerous passengers never made it from the plane and the security at the gate to the airport police.
When the violence exploded in terminal three, and about a dozen gang members began laying into one another with knives, knuckle dusters and bollards, police and security were nowhere to be seen
Peter Faris QC, also writing in today's Australian, asserts that the combination of the Haneef incident and this one demonstrates that the AFP are not capable of overseeing Australian counterterrorism procedures. His worries about the exposure of Sydney airport as an easy terrorist target are worth contemplating:
After Mumbai and Lahore, what is even more frightening to consider is that jihadist terrorists could arrive at Sydney airport by taxi, shoot hundreds of people in the terminal, and escape by taxi. It seems there would be no intervention by AFP security or anti-terrorist police. This, of course, is much more attractive to the jihadists, because they would not need to die in suicide bomb attacks.
Faris has this advice for the PM:
Rudd needs to do four things. First, accept the simple principle that citizens pay their taxes and are therefore entitled to be safe on the streets. The primary purpose of government is to protect its citizens. Rudd must accept that the ultimate responsibility lies (or should lie) with the federal Government, which, after all, has almost all the funds. Two, fund a national anti-terrorist FBI-type force and remove this work from the AFP. Three, fully and properly fund the ACC as a national crime force. Four, review the failed AFP and get rid of Keelty.
Reading Sydney Airport's Securty page, it's amazing that such a major Achilles Heel has not been identified before now, especially by the AFP.
[extract]
The AFP at Sydney Airport is commanded by an Airport Police Commander (APC). The APC commands the unified policing presence to provide the delivery of appropriate services at the airport to ensure public reassurance, prevention of incidents, the proactive and reactive investigation of crimes and offences, keeping the peace as well as deterring and responding to terrorism. The APC is responsible for strategic and operational oversight and coordination of Commonwealth Agency Security related activity and command and control of law enforcement activity within the Airport Precinct.
Reporting to the APC are the following assets:
1) Counter Terrorism First Response
2) Joint Airport Investigation Team (JAIT)
3) Joint Airport Intelligence Group (JAIG)
4) Police Aviation Liaison Officer (PALO)
5) Airport Uniform Policing – Community Policing
• Provision of a general policing function
• Patrols of landside
• Crime Prevention patrolling
Airport Uniform Police are responsible for all airport community policing issues.
This includes a response to all crime and other disturbances in and around Sydney Airport
Faris and the other contributors to the Australian are spot-on: if the AFP wasn't able to foresee such an easily implemented attack (let alone that the bollards might be used as weapons) we can only wonder what other forms of anarchy are sitting right under their cameras and noses, and what other confidence-inspiring words of theirs are yet to be revealed as air-filled ineptitudes in hindsight's bloody face?
By the way ... in response to South Australian Premier Rann's use of this tragic event as a tool for advocacy (and implied vindication) of adoption of Attorney-General Atkinson's (passed but not yet enacted, according to a police spokesman on ABC Local Radio last week)) anti motorcycle gang legislation, there's a simple question: Would current security measures at Adelaide Airport (or at any other in Australia, for that matter) have prevented such an event occurring? Doubt it.
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Words fail me
Words fail me with this thread. I have never seen two people so closely, fundamentally in agreement on a situation, the one outlined in Richard's beautifully concise piece of straight reporting on the airport antic and the bizarre behaviours of different players involved, locked in such passionate dispute as Fiona Reynolds and Alga Kavanagh.
I personally enjoyed Alga's description of Keelty, and really doubt if Fiona really has too many quarrels with it both a personal description of an archetype, an able yet personally flawed person eventually probably selling out on a Faustian bargain involving expediency. De Maistre invented the wretch Keelty, fleshed out by means of the Victor Hugo descriptions of the Zealot Inspector Javert who persecutes the hero Valjean in Les Miserables. But few are not expendable and Keelty is, I suspect, one who also is finding this out.
Alga, I think Fiona is just saying if you are argue more carefully and don't let your passions drive you to rush what you are trying to say, you will get your story across even better than you are now.
No one doubts your sincerity, but be less defensive: not all criticism is "knocking", and just be patient and re-explain what you are saying more clearly if someone is missing your point, rather than reacting in an impatient way to their querying.
My guess is that Fiona, an academic, actually thinks enough of you to bother with a little criticism as to technique. If you didn't "matter ", she would not have bothered making the points she made. Your accuracy and sincerity are not in question, but you can always be more patient in thinking through variant points, and organising most methodically your responses.
Alga
Thank you, Alga, for providing the information regarding the back-up delay. After once hiding my family while waiting for police to respond to a drive-by shooting attempt (resulting in the next-doors getting a bullet at head-height through their loungeroom window) I figured out that the single unmarked car was assessing the level of response required. It didn't make me much happier though, not knowing if a gunman might be in the back yard and waiting, waiting waiting.
In Peter Faris' hypothetical, the attacking terrorists would've had time to do whatever they felt like, and two cops with Glocks wouldn't amount to a tinker's toss.
I wouldn't, however, have liked to have seen the result of two police firing into a crowd of bikers... couldn't see it resulting in anything other than more fatalities.
There's a duress button behind our bar that, if pressed, will call any policeman within several kilometres radius to drop what they're doing and respond to what is automatically regarded as a life threatening situation. I fail to understand why airport security and police do not (as demonstrated by their "phone tree") have such a system in place.
And now Alga, to your insinuations that Fiona is using her abilities as a moderator to create an uneven playing field... for the record, Fiona did not publish her post. I did, after a couple of careful reads. You've responded to her in response to what you believe are personal attacks when as far as I can see she's been addressing the subject matter. Not for the first time, as we both remember.
If you don't consider Webdiary a suitable forum, perhaps you should look for a place where your opinions won't be challenged? This place is always going to be a place where points of view are going to be contested.
up your alley
Hey Richard, a beautiful thing in today's Age, by Asher Joel: Conroy admits blacklist error, blames 'Russian mob'
Astounding why they keep pushing this (internet censorship).
Empty position
Fiona Reynolds, I was well aware of your pathetic attempt at insulting me. I expect no other approach from you, so decided to non participate in your childishness. You take that as a weakness so continue with your attack, whilst in reality it shows the weakness of your empty position on the subject.
You have me at a disadvantage being a moderator, you are able to post your personal accusations without providing supporting evidence and then not publishing or editing replies which go against your accusations.
You accuse me of being an ideological fundamentalist, nasty, racist and myopic. You also accuse me of being a misogynist, yet all I have done is put forward simple answers which would work short term applied in the right way. I have a well founded dislike for religious ideology, it's fervent implementers and am happy to express it, yet 80% of my friends outside family are all immigrants and refugees from around the world with different beliefs. You certainly have no idea of human nature and life outside your narrow ideologically inept programming.
No other answers are forth coming, except to change the faction running the country in the empty hope they will do less damage than last time and the desire to maintain the failed status quo approach to governing society. Who are the fundamentalists in this approach?
I understand your abhorrence of those who would question the support of the politically correct emptiness, ruling policy, direction, security and governance in all spheres of society, forbidding sane approaches to the future. It's may not be worthwhile writing on Webdiary any more and probably the reason why there's no longer the variety of posters as in the past. They have been discouraged in good open varied discussion, by the politically corrects fear, at being shown as inept and wrong. At least I attempt to keep on topic Fiona and not froth at the mouth.
John Pratt, I understand the preponderance to always look backwards, instead of forwards. The Antarctic may be one of the only respites from global warming in the years to come, (lucky I have a large boat) so why would you want to send trouble makers there and pollute it. Why not Mars, at least it would emulate the long tortuous journeys endured by some of my ancestors in chains at the hands of the elitists and the conditions would appear just as horrendous.
Anthony Nolan, Macquarie Harbour and in particular Sarah Island, was where the government herded the remaining roaming Palawa before transporting them to Flinders and Barrow islands after the jail was shut down. It's a sore point for Palawa descendants and our history. My idea of deportation, is nowhere near the same as in the past. Probably unlike most here, I believe the people of this country are intelligent and informed enough to make sound decisions for the future and not the minority of ideological elitists, who are stuffing the place daily.
Mick Keelty is one of those elitists, a practising Christian, denialist and blame shifting bureaucratic, a liar, a perfect example of the mentality and how those wielding power in Aus operate. The federal police are no different to any government department or organisation in the hands of the elitist bureaucracy, stuffed.
Proper systems
Fiona Reynolds: “Alga Kavanagh: "... it certainly represents the opposite to what he really is. Ummm, pardon me Alga, but your misogynistic side is showing...
Alga Kavanagh: "Removing the trouble makers by kicking them out of the country is the best method, they are no longer a threat when they can't return. ... We could send Keelty as a trial."
Mr Keelty is an Australian citizen, having (to the best of my knowledge) been born here. Just like many of those whom you decribe as "perpetrators or supporters of violence". Where should people who are Australian citizens born be sent when stripped of their citizenship, Alga? Or is that one of the many questions that you, with your rather interesting worldview, find a bit too challenging?”
Fiona, only a negative sexist mind would put connotations on my statement regarding Eliot's posted photo, as you have. My comments regarding Keelty were meant to be a bit jovial, as those with a real sense of humour would see.
Eliot Ramsey: "Okay, I confess. It's mom.”
Wow what a good guess I am, I recognised her at once.
To set your mind at rest Fiona, you would only sack Keelty, maybe take away his retirement benefits for lying and being incompetent.
There'd be proper systems in place to deal with any who had their citizenship removed and it would require referendum promoted legislation, to bring the required measures into force the people were relatively happy with. I'm an advocate of capital punishment in certain circumstances, yet understand the people, once asked properly via a referendum, may not accept it under any terms. Society has a duty to its law abiding people to provide them with a safe peaceful environment. Those who refuse to be a part of that system should be removed from it.
There are many places in the world who would be happy to take those who are proven a threat to the stability and peace of this country for a fee, which would be much less costly and safer than jailing them here. You could even send some overseas to do their sentence, we'd save heaps of money that way and many victims would be able to feel safe for the rest of their lives, instead of living in fear waiting for the release of those who harmed them, or running into them on the street. I'm for the victims and future victims Fiona, not politically correct stupidity, which gives perpetrators more rights and support than victims and future victims.
Fiona, my world-view and what I see as answers, is not challenging at all, it's logical and rational once you step outside the emotional box. My ideas are starts, not the full answer as there will never be one, societies should change to account for the times they are in. Unlike now, where every approach is set in thinking from hundreds of years ago, instead of the real now and the probable future.
The trouble with security at airports and the federal police, their leaders have no idea what they are doing and hide behind denialist attitudes. I'd be happy to hear your open and exciting answers to this country’s growing dilemmas.
You, not your worldview
Alga Kavanagh: "... my world-view and what I see as answers, is not challenging at all, it's logical and rational once you step outside the emotional box."
Alga, you once complained that I don't read you "in the right spirit".
I don't ask you to read me "in the right spirit". I just ask you to read what I actually write.
What I wrote was:
(emphasis added to help you understand).
I don't find your worldview challenging. I find it simplistic to the point of fundamentalism (yes, Alga, you are an ideologue in your own little way), myopic, and – in its application to most of your fellow humans – downright nasty.
Remove the threat
Fiona, I would class Keelty wearing a police uniform as viewable evidence of him being in drag, it certainly represents the opposite to what he really is. I think Eliot's example may be Keelty's grandmother and he is carrying on her example of looking really out of place and a drag, definitely not a dag.
John Pratt, we don't need more security at airports or elsewhere under normal circumstances. We need better organised and prepared security forces working with decent leaders, who know what they are doing. There's stricter, more organised draconian police presence and security at entertainment events, than at the places which are supposed to be most vulnerable.
The only way to secure this country and provide decent safety for its citizens is to remove the problem. Banning bike clubs or other organisations isn't the answer: they'll start up or take over and hide behind a supposed legitimate organisation. Removing the trouble makers by kicking them out of the country is the best method, they are no longer a threat when they can't return. Other countries are happy to remove citizenship from those who pose a danger to peaceful existence and kick them out. Why not Australia? It's the victims and average citizen who should have rights to peaceful existence, not perpetrators or supporters of crime, violence, intimidation, suppression and terror in all forms.
We could send Keelty as a trial. He threatens the safety of the country's citizens and natural justice.
Perfect solution
Bring back Macquarie Harbour on the west coast of Tassie as a penal settlement.
Whither?
Alga Kavanagh: "... it certainly represents the opposite to what he really is."
Ummm, pardon me Alga, but your misogynistic side is showing...
Alga Kavanagh: "Removing the trouble makers by kicking them out of the country is the best method, they are no longer a threat when they can't return. ... We could send Keelty as a trial."
Mr Keelty is an Australian citizen, having (to the best of my knowledge) been born here. Just like many of those whom you decribe as "perpetrators or supporters of violence". Where should people who are Australian citizens born be sent when stripped of their citizenship, Alga? Or is that one of the many questions that you, with your rather interesting worldview, find a bit too challenging?
a pacific solution
Fiona Reynolds, discussing alternatives for dealing with anti social elements with Alga:
"Where should... Australian citizens born be sent, when stripped of their citizenship...".
New Zealand?
Bring back transportation
Alga, may I suggest we transport convicts to Antarctica?
At least that is still Australian territory. We could start an Australian colony there.
Talk about history repeating itself.
I think you're on to something. Or should I say on something?
What is it about airports?
The fight at Sydney airport has shown just how vulnerable we are against organised violence. If we do manage to get more security at our airports it will come at a reduction of security somewhere else. Just because terrorists or organised crime gangs such as outlaw motorcycle gangs have committed some of their crimes at airports why should we put more resources there than other community centres? We are just as vulnerable in a shopping centre or a school. Wherever large crowds gather we are at risk. How can we protect all large gatherings? It is impossible. The only way to protect against the violence committed by terrorists and organised crime is to attack the organisations themselves. That is why I believe we should have strong laws to close down the such organisations. Close them down as soon as the show the ugly faces.
Think about security at train stations, buses, highways, it is impossible to provide complete protection everywhere 24 hours a day.
Airport security is already a joke. How about this Cairns boy who boarded an aircraft with an arsenal?
Keelty, idiocy in drag
These two brave cops were armed with glock semi automatic 9 mm pistols, quite capable of holding 20+ unarmed bikies or taking them down. They are a formidable weapon when used calmly and correctly. Unless these cops and other security were aware of who was fighting, it shows if an innocent person was attacked by one or more nut cases, or some terrorists made a move on the airport facilities, it would be all over quickly. The innocent would be dead and the place blown up, as the armed cops waited for backup and orders. But then again we'll be told it was the politically correct thing to do.
This shows our police and security forces to be political enforcers and shop fronts, not protectors of the people. If you consider the approach to crime of the country’s police forces, compared to their approach to revenue raising, you can see we have a fractured and dysfunctional law enforcement regime.
The country’s police hierarchy are completely incompetent, in particular Keelty, who seems incapable of directing the force in the right manner and under the proper guide lines. If you listen to him, he seems incapable of being truthful when trying to justify the constant bumbling and politically motivated moves of the federal cops. Keelty represents idiocy in drag. not policing.
By the way, Rudd is no different to Howard, they both have the same agenda as we are seeing with Rudd away airlines and all labour decisions. Security in this country is all about political correctness, profits and political power, not protecting the people.
Fiona: Alga, can you provide some "viewable evidence" of Keelty wearing drag?
Is this some kinda bust?
Fiona: "Alga, can you provide some "viewable evidence" of Keelty wearing drag?"
Here you go.
Fiona: Close, Eliot, but no cigar. I'd love to know, by the way, how you managed to find that particular image.
Family connections
Okay, I confess. It's mom.
the scales fall away
Remarkable documentary evidence.
Police Academy
"The case against four men arrested over the bikie brawl at Sydney Airport, in which a man died, could be jeopardised by basic failings in the airport's video surveillance system."
Next, the cops had spud guns instead of Glocks.
"Are you boys police officers?"
"No, ma'am. We're musicians."
Over $3 billion, Richard
Since the Tampa Australia has spent over $3 billion building new concentration camps, paying foreign owned prison companies, locking up innocent people and turning them away to the Pacific "solution".
We continue to spend millions every year on locking up people we know are innocent. It has been an all of government venture since Ruddock and Howard's day although I believe it is less so now. Thousands of plane loads of terrorists or a complete navy could have attacked Australia from the north on the Brisbane coast because we had 25 war ships and frigates in the Indian Ocean chasing down a few sad refugees.
And by the way, the reason Einfeld has had to be crucified is because he called Ruddock's pride and joy a nazi style concentration camp in the desert and Ruddock was out to get him from that time on.
You will note that a major perjurer in the crime squad in Victoria where over 30 people were killed with the connivance of the cops, got off this week.
And Paul, I was astonished that Eliot and I actually agreed about the keystone kops, but then we agreed about Dr Haneef too.
He is only irrational about all things to do with Israel.
Documentation
Marilyn Shepherd, after speaking to a good friend of mine in the legal profession, if you can supply us with some documentation showing Ruddock's involvement in setting up Marcus Einfeld, he believes we can help Einfeld get a greatly reduced sentence.
Could I have some source on that please?
Marilyn: "He is only irrational about all things to do with Israel"
But still I make sure I can always link it to authoritative sources. Often, the ones you provide.
The facts, Ma'am
Marilyn Shepherd: "And by the way, the reason Einfeld has had to be crucified is because he called Ruddock's pride and joy a nazi style concentration camp in the desert and Ruddock was out to get him from that time on."
What rubbish. Did Ruddock make Einfeld lie about who was driving the car? Of course you would have proof of this interference by Ruddock. We may be able to get Einfeld's sentence overturned if you have.
We continue to spend millions every year on locking up people we know are innocent. It has been an all of government venture since Ruddock and Howard's day although I believe it is less so now.
How much less now that Rudd is running the show? How many nazi style concentration camps has Rudd closed down?
rubs his eyes...
I don't believe it!
Universal bafflement here at the antics at the airport the other day and following responses?
Paul W
Please explain? What're you up to tonight?
By their fruits shall ye know them...
Yes, well I'd sum it up this way. The farce has Eliot Ramsey and Marilyn Shepherd with unguarded responses that offer a smirking agreement at the arcane practices of fumbling bureaucracy and the bikies alike. To think it took something as risible and sad as last weekend's antic to reveal spontaneously such a plausible underlying commonality in two people so often locked in fierce debate. But it's a sort of situation any beyond half-intelligent person ought to be shaking their heads at, in communion with others of similar ability, in bafflement at the absurdity thereof of such a situation.
Tonight?
Dunno. Feeling comfy now and some good teev on later, but am short of an outing and recall your blues musos do their thing on Wednesday, so might take a wander up, just to get out of here for a while.
Must take the dog for her walk, it's still a beautiful day outside. If I come up will be to regale you as to news of my cat's triumph concerning the rodent species, including what I suspect to be an invitation to join with him in his concept of fast (actually not fast enough!) food.
Shepherd sent me a docu concerning another unwelcome asylum-seeker court judgement rendered in incomprehensible legalese and the thought of another attempt at it is becoming less palatable as each second passes.
And what about that whistleblower?
Still a convicted criminal for pointing out that our airport security is mickey mouse.
You can bet your sweet bippy though that if an asylum seeker arrived they would be whisked off to jail in the blink of an eye.
I can tell you for free that is what most of the resources are spent on.
Naah.. it's the homeland security flaw that gives me the sh*ts
That's the beauty of it, Marilyn - they were facing the wrong way! Faris' departure-lounge terrorist attack was a feasible possibility. But I don't agree with you that migration control has been the central focus. Since September 2001 the profits in not only installing "homeland security" equipment but profit-taking on the IPOs of new security companies have been ginormous. How much Qinetiq (ie Carlyle) gear's in Sydney airport? The computerised identification of possible terrorist suspects as they check in? The airfield sensors to detect suspicious objects on the tarmac. Whoever owns the stuff, the "necessity" to implement such stuff across a myriad of international airports has created a lot of wealth for anyone investing in an investment fund involved in such issues. Did I say Alexander Downer and Argus?. Oops, silly me.
It's because of the massive amount of money that's been spent on the other prong of the talon from the one you focus on that such a massive security flaw becomes such an ignorant travesty.
always look on the bright side
Too true Richard. Also Marilyn. Spread that mentality right throughout society, private, public, corporate, governmental. All the money wasted by people with schoolchild minds and then we wonder why there is creeping authoritarianism, a recession, and nothing left for necessities.
It's beyond belief, isn't it?
"It would seem, reading our Federal Police Top Cop's version of events, that police didn't react to a man being clubbed to death until somebody rang the public emergency phone number."
It's beyond belief, isn't it?
Also, police attending the incident found taxis flagrantly breaching basically security protocols designed for their protection.
And then there was that spontaneous demonstration by Hire Car drivers the other day which practically brought the airport to a standstill.
Charged without evidence
Five CCTV systems? Great to see that everything's so co-ordinated nowadays.
[ABC]
Reports of this story are all over the place. Channel Nine were reporting this afternoon that the fight moved from the departure check-in to the departure lounge, but obviously this can't be correct as:
I'd now be interested to find out what, if anything, the Comancheros had been up to in Perth.
Inquiry called
ABC News reports (no online source yet) that Australia's Homeland Security Minister (can't remember his name, will add) has already announced an inquiry into the incident, saying that it's without question that the AFP were in charge of airport policing and that a full complement of police were on duty on the day. He also said that the level of public dismay was understandable.
Didn't take long, did it? Under the rug it all goes....