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Murray-Darling Report Released

Download a copy here. Still infested with ideas that are based on the hope that the rains will come back one day (despite the predictions in the IPCC WGII report that the long-term rainfall trend is down for the rest of this century).

 

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Water down the drain

Jenny, thought you might be interested in this:

TABLELAND irrigators are outraged the State Government is dumping almost a billion litres of water a day from Lake Tinaroo in the midst of a national water crisis.

 

I wonder what public

I wonder what public attitude would be about the water situation if Snowy Hydro had been sold.

BTW, although John Howard's late-coming veto of the sale is touted by him and the populace at large as his responding to public opinion, I understand that this is not so.

As I recall the process, Iemma said he would sell, Victoria went along, as did the PM.  Reacting to public disquiet, Iemma said that it would only be sold to Australians. At this stage, Howard called the whole thing off, and received kudos for being sensitive to the peoples' wishes.

I've heard that the real reason was actually that according to the free trade agreement, any public offering in Australia had to be offered to Americans on the same terms. Therefore, Iemma's committment made a sale impossible, and John stepped in. To applause.

Does anyone know if this is/isn't factual?

Craig R: Great question F Kendall.

The scenario you present was reported by Rod Myer in The Age in June 2006 (here's a link to it via bilaterals.org). 

Here's a link to the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement.

 

AUSFTA, in its provisions on investment, says nationals of both countries must have the same rights to assets in the country of the other, which makes limitations on foreign investments a problem.

Existing arrangements, such as capping Qantas’ maximum foreign ownership at 49 per cent, are accepted under the pact, but any new limits would require negotiation.

It was always about water in my opinion

F Kendall, at the time when John Howard was trumpeting his saving of the Snowy I pointed out rather forcefully that the real issue here was surely control over the water in the system, water that is so vital to the survival of the Murray and all that depends on it. That of course did not get a mention from him. Water which should have been a major priority and concern for him at the time has only now touched his heart, after most of it has gone, including from the Snowy. 

It will be interesting to see that shareholder register of Qantas, will it not? It seems an Australian company can be taken over right under the noses of the Government in spite of any foreign ownership regulations. I wonder what any compulsory dumping of shares might do to the share price? What a fiasco. And I believe those Executives and Board members who are pushing the takeover get a nice little bonus amounting to millions if the deal goes through.  No wonder they supported it! Talk about a conflict of interest. They will resist resigning as if their life depended on it and will no doubt be desperate to get the show on the road again.

On another thread I pointed out to Craig Rowley that those AWB executives walked away with nice big payouts and it seems that the Government will not be able to touch them, simply because there was no legislation in place for the sort of offences they were accused of, namely breaking UN sanctions. So now legislation is being drafted it seems, but obviously will not be made retrospective to deal with that mob. That really annoys me as a shareholder of that company and a  grower.

John Pratt, thanks for the link on the dam - what a lovely sight compared to the sorry pictures we see down south! Though a farmer I believe that environmental flows are very important to a river's long term health. Irrigators will always want first bite. It all comes down to the allocations and whether they are in excess of what the system can sustain. Queensland can see from the Murray Darling what over allocation can lead to. The trouble is we cannot predict rainfall. So finding the balance in the face of uncertaintly would be very difficult. In in my opinion we should be looking to under allocate for irrigation and some of that 10 billion that is supposedly available should be used to buy back allocations. Tourism is a flourishing industry on the Murray when it has good flows and dam levels. That could replace some of the agriculture that would be lost.  Must fly, no more blogging today. Cheers.

Steady rain -may it continue to fall

Steady rain has just begun to fall on our farm which lies slap bang in the middle of the northern wheat belt. If it lasts for a few days crop prospects will lift and it is still warm enough for pasture growth for livestock. It also appears to have rained further west. While it will take inches and inches over a long period to break this drought, lesser amounts of rain at the right time can guarantee a crop. It is not so much how much rain that falls on the cropping areas, as when it falls that matters most. And right now is just great. May it come down in buckets.

Those AWB shares are starting to look a bit brighter too with every drop that falls. 

I'll bet John Howard feels his prospects lift too with every drop.

From my experience back in the fities and sixties, a wet warm May was usually followed by a heavy snow season. So this early rain could be a good sign. Here's hoping anyway.

Rain, irrigation prospects and the snow no show

Well the rain has gone again but gave a bit of a nice kickstart to some cropping areas so some crops will at least be sown. But fertilizer and seed prices have gone through the roof so it is going to be a big gamble. As we missed out on most of the rain, getting only 50 points, we will probably leave the seed and super in the shed. 

I see Murray Goulburn Water on its website has seen fit to clarify John Howard's statement for its irrigators saying that if there are average flows into the system by August 15 then 7% allocations will be possible on the Murray and about 14% on the Goulburn River system. They do not say what will happen with below average flows but one does not have to be Einstein there. Even with average inflows it is not a very bright picture for irrigators. But as they add, it is between August and October that the main inflows usually occur so all will be revealed in due course.

Now when was the Election supposed to be?

Had a report from a connection in Germany today who tells me that they usually have to shovel about a metre of snow from their front path each year, but this year there was none at all. Sounds ominous and familiar. No wonder the Arctic is in meltdown.

Wolfowitz and water

We in Australia have our water problems, right enough.

And others have theirs.

More substance than that

Here's something I found interesting reading the newspapers today.  Michelle Grattan, respected for 'her tireless, tough and fair' coverage of politics, notes in her piece in The Age:

There is no doubt it would be desirable if one level of government had full jurisdiction over the Murray-Darling. But Canberra [read John Howard] is now paying the price for presenting its takeover hastily and rather arrogantly. It assumed the objections were just political when they had more substance than that.

It seems John Howard's haste to rather arrogantly make some political mileage on the Murray-Darling Basin situation was noticed by the farmers too. Howard's spin was revealed by Rachel Kleinman and Jewel Topsfield also in The Age:

The controversy over water allocations started last Thursday when Mr Howard warned of the "unprecedented situation in the Murray-Darling Basin in relation to irrigation allocations unless significant rain fell in the next month".

He said if no allocations were possible, it could have a devastating impact on farming, with the basin providing more than 70 per cent of Australia's irrigated crops.

Mr Howard later clarified that unless there was heavy rain within six to eight weeks, no water would be allocated to irrigators at the start of the season.

But Mr Cooper said distressed irrigators initially understood there would be no water all year. "It clearly caused a great deal of concern and angst across northern Victoria," he said.

Mr Cooper said farmers had already been told on February 15 that they would start the season on zero allocations.

This was no different to the past four years when they had started on zero but had been given some water, up to their full allocation in some cases, during the season.

So it seems Honest John has been spinning the situation somewhat for his political purposes ... and we thought he had more substance than that.

Victoria absolves itself?

Craig, as my posts over the past eight months show it was clear there would be no allocations at all once the MD system was let run dry over that period. The warnings were there for all to read and farmers in the system did know what the situation was. They are updated weekly on allocations via the web regarding the situation in their feeder dams. No one is claiming ignorance on that.

I am a bit surprised however that Victoria is alleged to be claiming it does not overallocate like the other states do.  Everyone knew by mid last year that an El Nino was forming, and it did. With the MDB systems already well below full that was the time to urgently review all allocations in all States. Letting the water go till the system all but ran dry could not in my opinion be in anyone's interest.

But they, including Victoria, did let it run down beyond critical point, hence the reason there will be no allocations at all now till rains or melting snow recharge the storages. This is clear for all to see with just the Murray Goulburn system which covers NE Victoria.

At this time last year Murray Goulburn water held just 33% of  capacity of its three main storages, Eildon, Hume and Dartmouth as shown on its own website which it updates weekly. Combined those big three hold around 10 million megalitres when full and are the major storages in that systems' 20 dams, total capacity of which is around 13ML. Together the big three held just 3,700,00 megalitres of that 10ML capacity this time last year, before the El NIno and the dry winter had even happened. Red lights should have been flashing everywhere.

A year on those three big storages now hold just on 686,000 ML,  which will clearly be needed to meet domestic and stock needs. Given the massive fall in those storage in the past year to meet irrigation allocations, mostly during the last 8 months, would you not agree that Victoria is just as guilty of over allocating as NSW?

To be fair to Howard I think he did say there would be no allocations at the commencement of the next season. That was how I heard it and I did not misunderstand him on that, and I doubt that any farmer did. They all knew the storages were all but empty and without rain there will be no allocations now till that situation changes, starting from July 1. Of course allocations will be restored if and when the storages are recharged. 

Where Howard has erred in my opinion is not intervening over a year ago in the face of historically low storage levels and the prediction of an El Nino. That was when action was required at a national level.

As I said, Howard is now trying to turn off the dripping tap after the tank has run dry. He allowed his skepticism on climate change to blind himself to a developing disaster staring everyone (except him it seems) in the face.

This drought may just be another big dry in a traditionally dry country, but given the ecomonic risk involved if the MDB ran dry and the drying became protracted, then any responsible PM would have seen the implications for the economy if the situation was allowed to become critical and would have acted earlier. That he did not do that is where he and he alone must be held accountable.

As I said before, that 10 billion and any Budget surplus this year should now be held in reserve to meet the economic fallout of this whole matter, because without rain, it will not be insignificant.

Howard may well pride himself on his economic management but this issue has the capacity to blow that claim right out of the water, or what's left of it.

I see no rush for the Federal Government to take over the MDB now. It should happen eventually, but it is far too late for that right now. The crisis itself will force the States to work together at this point in time. The Federal Government should just now exercise a co-ordinating role, under a State of Emergency declaration if rain fails this winter.

I am sure you all know

I am sure you all know but in order to satisfy the physics pedant in the house I will correct my sloppy abbreviations in the following para of this comment: 

"At this time last year Murray Goulburn water held just 33% of  capacity of its three main storages, Eildon, Hume and Dartmouth as shown on its own website which it updates weekly. Combined those big three hold around 10 million megalitres when full and are the major storages in that systems' 20 dams, total capacity of which is around 12ML (I mean 12 million megalitres) Together the big three held just 3,700,00 megalitres of their 10ML ( I mean 10 million megalitres) capacity this time last year, before the El Nino and the dry winter had even happened. Red lights should have been flashing everywhere.

Happy now darling? 

A lot riding on that cloud

An awful lot of hope is riding on that cloud bank massing over SA. Having prayed hard for rain I have just ordered in the fertilizer for the crop and I expect a nice little fall by early next week out of that cloud to give it a good kickstart. 

So stand by o ye of little faith. You might get a surprise. I suggest you go and buy some AWB shares because once it rains they will lift for sure.

Water from the North

Jenny, I have lived most of my life in the North of Australia in Darwin, and Cairns. I have been to Kununurra several times and sailed on the magnificent Ord River dam. The potential of the North is enormous. If we had been developed by Indonesia and not a European nation, I am sure our north would have been the developed and the deserts of the south largely ignored.

I went on a picnic on Sunday to Babinda Boulders about 40km south of Cairns; it was beautiful Ulysses butterflies everywhere. Lush green growth was abundant, even though it was still recovering from the ravages of Cyclone Larry.   The water was flowing crystal clear and millions of liters running out to sea. The local area has had over 3 meters of rain in the last twelve months. The mountain water falls are all flowing into the Mulgrave River. There is a railway line alongside the river that runs all the way to Melbourne. Why can’t we run a pipeline alongside the railway line filling all dams on the way? Even if we used the pipe line during the Wet, there would be an abundant supply of water.

If C. Y. O’Connor could build a 700 km pipeline from Perth to Kalgoorlie over a hundred years ago I am sure we could find the courage and resources to do it today.

Water from the North

John Pratt, you are absolutely right but it will take some strong leadership from Premier Beattie to stand up and push for such a solution.

My mothers grandfather was Edger Short, who along with Vince Woods were the pioneers of the Mareeba-Dimbulah irrigation scheme which included building Tinaroo Dam in Nth Qld. It was Edgar's and Vince's efforts that finally convinced Dr W H R Nimmo Commissioner of Irrigation and Water Supply of the time to build Tinaroo Dam on the Barron River to divert water by gravity across the Great Dividing range.

The Barron River also generates hydro electricity just outside Cairns in Kuranda and if anyone has every been to the Barron Gorge in the wet season it is an unbelievable sight the amount of water pouring over the falls and out to sea.

A solution to pipe water from below the Barron River hydro station along the rail line and feed into the Burdekin area and then onto to the southern states isn’t a bad idea. The Tully region has one of the highest rainfall levels in the country with the majority of water going to waste.

Politicians say its too expensive but if they started 10 years ago and put some of the tax payers money aside each year the project could have been completed by now. But unfortunately politicians only see as far forward as the next election.

Does anyone know of a current report into the merit of getting water from the north to the south?

 

The Bradfield report that was done 70 years ago would probably have gone ahead if they could have found the money, in those days things got done. I would be interested to read a more current report and see what arguments have been put forward as to why this water project can't be done.

I am sure the Australian people wouldn’t mind the government using some of the future fund to help get water to where its needed most before we all run out of water in the cities.

You make me green with envy John

John Pratt, your descriptions make me green with envy. We have been thinking of coming up the Qeensland Coast for a holiday since we have not had one for over three years now. And I just love butterflies. They are the embodiment of everything that is beautiful in my opinion. I never fail to stop in my tracks when I see one, rare as they are around here.

I suggested that when my old home town Goulburn ran so low on water it should build a pipeline following the railway line to access water from Canberra storages. But they are now building it in the opposite direction to the Shoalhaven River so will no doubt have all the issues of land access. The Canberra storages are under pressure themselves now anyway so that may have been a big consideration.

Yes they could get it to Kalgoorlie all that time ago. Our forebears had vision which seems to be sadly lacking these days.

WA looked at piping water from the Ord to Perth, and of course the cost of pumping would be pretty high (more dirty coal generated energy?) as it would from northern Australia to the south east. I guess they have to weigh that up against the loss of the food bowl of the country as it will be lost if on going drying is now with us. We have the soils down here, magnificent soils, and country that is easily arable, and have all the infrastructure in place to support the established industries. So it seems to me the issue is if the drought becomes permanent, is is better to shift the industries to the north with all the associated infrastructure required, or try and move massive amounts of water to the south.   

I recall about a decade ago we were being told Australia would get wetter under warming, then a few years later, no, the temperate zones would get drier. I noted that switch at the time with some concern. As Ian has shown the temperate zones are not where the cloud bands are, either in the northern or southern hemispheres. Not a good sign and seems to support the later prediction of temperate zone drying. But the world's climate is such a complex issue even for the experts, and it has a habit of defying predictions when we least expect it.

I read an interesting article in a regional paper this week which touched on the issue of cloud, including black cloud that sits over Asia due to the high levels of all types of pollution. It seems this could have a more deleterious effect than actual CO2 emissions. But cloud effect study still seems to have a way to go. I looked out to day at cloud for the first time this month. Here's hoping it will bring some rain though it seems unlikely unfortunately. Sydney has been drenched this week and it all ran out to sea as usual. Clearly urban runoff should be harnessed where possible if only for parks and gardens and commercial use. 

Cheers

Satellite's eye view of drought

Every morning I visit a number of sites. Included are the Latest Globe Satellite Image from the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM), and the Whole Globe Montage from the University of Wisconsin.

The BOM site has up till recently shown a clear bimodal cloud distribution in both southern and northern hemispheres. Cloud is concentrated in two bands in each hemisphere, one equatorial and one polar, leaving a temperate zone almost cloud free. This is seen clearly in today’s view, for the N hemisphere. But interestingly, the pattern seems to be changing to something more favourable in our hemisphere.

I am not a meteorologist or climatologist. Maybe someone like Will Howard could shed some light on this.

SA-They're A Weird Mob

Utmost confusion around these parts.  The Tiser is spruiking the construction's inevitability as Murray Minister Maywald is saying on local ABC Radio that the information was old and possibly no longer applicable (?)

 [excerpt]

An SA Water Strategy Development paper prepared in December said "the weir is inevitable" and that "with the realistic worst-case scenario, the weir alone may not be sufficient".

 It's been a few months since the hundred GL-saving Twin Lakes was in the paper... maybe now Howard will be able to override Rann in the "national interest?"

Business in watery PPPs is about to boom, methinks.

Oh and while I'm at it, wouldn't we sort out the water problem more quickly if everyone uses the same consultant?

Calling it a millenium ...

All the evidence I've seen - particularly in some of the sessions and posters at Greenhouse 2005 (most of which didn't make it into even the long version of the WGII ANZ chapter) - suggests that there is approximately zero prospect that there will be any significant farming at all going on in the Murray-Darling basin well before the end of the century. My guess is that the ones that get out early will get much better prices for their stock and assets than the ones that hang for the rains.


A bit late to try and run

David, yes, getting out now has its advantages I would think particularly for the older farmers who have no one to take over after them, and many have done just that out our way at least. There has been a big exodus these past six years, and all around us are empty homes now crumbling into the dust. Rather sad.

However getting out at a reasonable price is becoming increasingly difficult and I would think that those MDB irrigation dependant properties are probably pretty hard to move right now, if not nigh on impossible. But I have not seen the figures on property sales of late.

The best time to sell is after the drought ends, (and when the memory of it has well and truly faded !) though any increased debt would clearly outweigh any price benefit gained. Selling in the midst of the worst drought in history would not be too smart, so if people can hang on and it does rain, then maybe they will get out with something to live on.  

But the Basin as suggested may well be doomed. Not something most would want to invest in right now I would think.  So those who have reached the end of their tether and finances and do want to sell will be feeling under a lot of pressure.

Still no sign of decent rain just when it is nearing prime sowing time for the wheat crops.  However April is considered to be a low rainfall month in the wheat belt so we hope for the normal May June rains. If they fail again this year I think that will be the straw as they say. 

Cheers and here's to a deluge.         

Better to just call it a day

I note the final FAQ about what does a farmer do when his normal source for stock water, eg by channel is cut off, the answer given is that he can either cart water or destock.

The implications of that for the large dairying industry in the MDB are drastic. Dairying is a heavy user of water both for irrigation and for cleaning of dairies, let alone the need for the cows to drink. Less than optimum volumes of clean water for the cows and their production falls. Carting water for dairy farms and cattle is not really a viable option given the low return farmers currently receive for their milk, around 36 cents a litre, when 40 cents is being quoted now as the current cost of production, before the water is even shut off. 

So no doubt many dairy farmers, particularly the older ones, will simply decide it is better to just call it a day. While beef producers forced to destock can head off and buy steers in more favoured areas to fatten when things turn around, dairy farmers cannot. Prices for quality dairy cattle will skyrocket and be beyond most.  To get back in one would have to buy young heifers at best price and wait till they started producing at around 3 years of age.  Dairy infrastructure is a costly asset to have sitting idle, like headers when the wheat crop fails, and those with low equity in their assets will be the first to go - some of the likely loss of income and assets referred to in this report. Cold hard facts with enormous human cost.

Large scale loss of the genetic base of the dairy herds in the basin, built up over decades through careful breeding and managment will also be a barrier to recovery of that industry. It is ironic that the decline in the dairy industry on the fertile flood plains of the Macleay began with the loss of 20 000 cattle, mostly dairy, in the big flood of 1949. As a child I sat on our hill and watched as just one of them, a jersey cow, struggled far out in a torrent of water thirty feet deep, till my father shot her and she sank from sight.  Farmers lost entire herds in that flood and the industry took a fatal hit. It never really recovered and as one drives around the area one sees the remains of the little dairy buildings on every farm, in grotesque attitudes, silent monuments to a battle lost and fought decades ago, mostly against a river that could yield bounty, but could also rise up and destroy.

That and encroaching urban development further south forced the coastal industry into the irrigation dependant hinterland where it now is likely doomed for lack of water.  In the meantime the big muddy Macleay and many rivers like it flow out to sea. Ironic. 

Recovery from catastrophes which require a long lead time, such as for dairying and orchard enterprises is very difficult and doubtless many will not have the capital to start again and wait for years for some return.  Small farmers will go and no doubt the big corporates will move in if and when the water returns. 

As I contemplated our own drought stricken property recently, now into its seventh year, for the first time I felt deeply depressed. Maybe that will change when the rains finally come. I can empathise so much with what those on the rivers now feel with the bleak outlook in front of them. We should prepare for an even higher level of depression amongst rural  people when the tap is finally turned off.  

While it is said rural people are very resilient, and that has to be true, there is a limit to what one can cope with. I know that. I have known many times the worry and despair that is a daily traveller in a farming family struck down by drought. We went through it many times. We never really recovered from the big 78-82 drought, not as a family, and not financially. The stress was horrendous in those years and it left a lot of scars and bad memories. That is being played out across the length and breadth of this country every day right now and it will  take a high human toll.  This drought is into its seventh year. Seven years of worry and stress for thousands of people and we all know that stress is a major cause of illness, suicide and relationship breakdown. 

Hopefully the younger farmers will hang in there for when the rains and water return. Rural youth once lost is often not recovered.  I have watched all those in our part of the world go this past decade. They did not come back. 

But the resilience of even some of the older ones is inspiring. Such as the not so young couple on Dateline the other night who run the boating and camping ground at Good Hope on Burrinjuck dam. With their boats high and dry, the lake all but gone and the camping ground all but empty they have only hope to live on. Such gracious and calm acceptance of that which is beyond their power to change moved me to turn up an old poem written by my late father and to wish for them that those days will return soon.

Burrinjuck

Bare trees must forever shiver

In this inundated land,

Where the moonlight-fashioned shadows

Interlaced with silver bands

Steal across the silent water

Light and darkness hand in hand.

Here the red hills, old untroubled

Curtained by the wispy fogs,

Hear the boo-book chime the hours

O'er the throbbing song of frogs.

While sister rivers, sold to bondage,

Victims of a master race,

Chained to concrete walls forever

Are bloated and defaced.

This Murray Darling Report does not tell us anything that we did not really know. In the FAQ's the one question not asked or answered is why it was all allowed to come to this. Why was not water use more tightly prioritised long ago when there was something left in the upper Murray storages?

I wonder just what the contingency plans are for the towns if this dry spell just keeps on keeping on.  That is not spelt out. Whole communities will be devastated. One would hope that Howard will not push for tax cuts for political ends come May Budget. I could not think of anything more irresponsible in the current climate. Any Surplus may be needed not just to plan for future catastrophes like this one, but to manage the economic fallout that is staring us in the face right now.

I must say I found Costello rather confusing on the issue of the impact of likely drastic hikes in food prices due to the drought on the inflation rate. He talked of it not being expected to be too big of a problem as food is just one of the items in the basket. Now that somewhat contradicts his blaming the price inflated humble banana last year for its role in inflating prices back then. You cannot have it both ways. Anyone who believes that the massive hike in a whole range of basic foods, whether fresh or processed (eg my veggie soups) is not going to have a big impact on inflation is dreaming.

That's all we need. A PM asleep at the wheel till the tap ran dry, and a Treasurer now daydreaming. 

Thanks for posting the Report David.  Had they included a geographical map of the whole MDB showing the location of the lochs, weirs, wetlands etc would have been helpful in seeing just where the water actually is and where they plan to move it to, and from, together with the location of the towns, major industries and areas most affected will be. Some irrigators draw solely on ground water in the Basin and will at this stage not be so drastically effected, though one must wonder just how long the aquifers can last.  The volume and recharge rate of some of those in the Basin remains unknown. I guess one finds that out when the bore pump seizes up. 

OZ-H2O+ERA+H2SO4=U238+$$$$$

Now we may see two issues to warm the cockles of Mr Howard’s heart – water wastage and uranium – with details known by the PM’s chums at Energy Resources of Australia.

Could they please tell all Australians precisely how many million litres of potable water is pumped daily from the dwindling Great Artesian Basin to feed the sulphuric acid leaching process of the Roxby Downs/Olympic Dam uranium mines?

Perhaps Mr Turnbull could jot the answer on the back of an envelope.

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM OBE CdG née Wood&waterforde

Water & Uranium

Frère Jihad, when Little Kev approves a new uranium mine, has he got some secret process that will allow "the sulphuric acid leaching process" to be done without water? Perhaps you could ask Little Kev where he is going to get the extra water from, perhaps it is written on the back of an envelope somewhere?

Putin pen to paper, ERA-style - Water Them Uraniums

Rather than any of that, Akka, maybe Prime Ministerial chum and former Reserve Bank GOLD ™ appointee Hume Organ could unsheath his huge and well greased Mont Blanc ™ (also GOLD - but that's another story).

Then Hume might kindly scribble H2O instructions on the back of a monster uncrossed cheque for hundreds of millions of Swiss Francs, made out to Kirribilli Estates Pty Ltd, c/-Bennelong Trustees.

We worry about “Ice”, or the pervy shopping channel’s Big Turkey™ Dreamworld™ exhibitionism reality bubble smacking youngsters around, but ERA and Hume are posing a far greater threat. They’re coining dosh by seeping out uranium with a subsidised free ride, turning Australia’s once-Great Artesian Basin into sulphuric acid and cheap as chips uranium, all to make the very very rich, even more obscenely rich.

Their purpose apparently (ask wee Akka) is to make enough money so that climate change goes away - for them.. Until they're dead.

What was that about Future Eaters©?

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM née Woodforde, Noisy Mynah formerly known to cognoscenti as Peter Woodforde back in the depths of geological time

No Howard OAM - is because you are honest.

In a fear/hatred, sectrarian, and bigoted "New Order" Australia, my Wife and I thoroughly enjoy the posts of both you and Phil Kendall.

Your ability to put an important message into, may I say, "gogglegook", demands the reason and attention of the reader.

I wonder how many of our forum really absorb the messages you two are sending?

You both give me hope for the next election if people will only listen.

Cheers Ern G.

The Leaching Process

HOWARD "Hello, I'm John Howard. I think there should be more uranium mines in National Parks. We only have one at the moment, and frankly, it shames us in the eyes of the world. The world is looking at us with its eye, and … it can see things we can't. We're losing vital market competitive share advantage to Canada in this sector. If I wasn't so busy doing the taxes I'd be out there digging it up myself. (to the Businessman) Go on, get cracking at Jabiluka."

BUSINESSMAN: (grimly) "Finally. I've been waiting sixteen years for Jabiluka."

Lines from the play Atomic Australia

Reality

Craig Rowley, for goodness sake this is a play put on by the Anti Nuclear Party, what has this got to do with Kevin Rudd opening new mines?

Reality Alan

Ahhh Alan, it has everything to do with the reality.

Let me explain it this way:

You've taken to commenting on Kevin Rudd's adoption of the policy Kim Beazley started advocating in July last year - a change to the "no new mines" policy.

Your particular 'propaganda' twist is to suggest the ALP is actually the uranium miner. Clearly that's unreal.

In reality what the ALP can be after the election, should it win it, is the same as what the Howard government has been for the past 11 years - a regulator of the export of a dangerous material. 

The only real difference between a Rudd and a Howard government will be how they approach their role as regulator.

A Rudd government, if it adopts the policy as articulated by Beazley, would regulate with "safeguards" as the primary consideration. That would be reinforced by the fact that Albanese and Garrett and others coming from a similar position on the Australian Uranium question will always act like watchdogs on the policy. That's the reality.

On the other hand, Howard is really into opening Uranium mines (and possibly enrichment as well) to please and profit a few businessmen. And the playwright had a real handle on this reality.

Reality

Craig Rowley, you really are living in a fantasy world when you suggest that "Albanese and Garrett and others coming from a similar position on the Australian Uranium question will always act like watchdogs on the policy". Garrett is a flop already (he is not even sure what Labor's policy is) and Albanese is a non-entity having done nothing during his time in parliament. Just look at the mess State Labor Parties have made around the country in Health, Education and Transport and you are suggesting that Rudd & Co could run the country, I think not.

Rudd is very good at spin at the moment, on his recent trip to the USA did he tell Bush that we want out of Iraq ... NO in fact he did not even meet anybody of note in the American administration. Yes, I know he met with Murdoch, but you cannot compare the intellects of these two. Murdoch will get what he wants and Rudd will finish with the scraps.

Really Alan?

Really Alan?  That's such a convincing argument you've put there [said using a Seep-sarky tone].

C'mon please, Alan, lift your game and provide some substance. 

Try, for a start, to demonstrate that Garrett and Albanese will be unable to, or will not by choice, act as watchdogs to ensure "safeguards" come first in any decisions on uranium export licenses made by a Rudd government.

And give up on the completely illogical 'State parties' line.  Really, if Liberal barrackers want us to believe that line, then logically we'd also have to accept that since State Liberals are so incompetent that they can't win government the natural conclusion is to consider the federal Libs to be complete losers as well.

On the other hand ... Alan just keep doing what you do please. It's really useful.  I point it out to people as an example of what another Howard term will mean.

Here's a good one

Craig Rowley, Labor's answer to the Water Shortage: Peter Garrett writes songs to sing in the shower.

Here's a better one

Gee Alan you're not a very funny man, are you? C'mon show us your wit. Come up with the lyrics.

Lyrics

Craig Rowley, I am sorry I cannot come up with the lyrics, but they have been playing them all day long on the ABC. I will see if I can get a copy of them for you.

Ahhh Alan ... reality bites again

Ahhh Alan, you say "Peter Garrett writes songs to sing in the shower" and once again it reflects not the reality, just your stock in trade misinformation.

In reality you'll find a problem when you go looking for these lyrics of songs to sing in the shower that you say with such certainty that Garrett wrote. That's because in reality all he has done is suggest ten short songs to listen to or sing whilst showering. All the songs were written by others. Once again you've got it all wrong.

BTW it's not a bad idea really  ... to use your public profile to suggest people cut down from a long wasteful shower to an efficient and effective one is not a bad idea at all. Using a song as a timing mechanism is good thinking. Whether they were songs he selected or songs that he wrote I reckon Garrett scores some votes with this.

Singing in the shower

Craig, not sure that is a good idea. Hell in Goulburn you would only get the first two lines out before it was time to turn the tap off lest you use more than your allocated 150 litres (for all purposes) a day.

So all of you try it: Way down upon the Swanee River, that's where I'll be.......then out you get. It is amazing how quickly one can shower if one really wants to I have discovered of late when visiting the old home.

Happy singing. But be careful, by verse five the tap might have run dry.

Be careful

G'day Jenny, I reckon it's still a good idea in the big smoke where the evidence suggests far too many people still seem to think they've got to stand in a shower for more than seven minutes. What are they thinking? Especially when you're proving it can take seconds not minutes to wash off the stink.

And be careful Jenny. We wouldn't want Alan Curran accusing you of writing that couple of lines.

7 Minutes!

Craig, seven minutes in the shower and even cleaning their teeth under it!  One can only shake one's head.

I think water rationing for domestic use should be introduced in all major cities. All meters should have a setting that allows so much per person per household and once used it automatically shuts the supply off. Drastic measures for drastic times.

How about FIFTEEN seconds?

Jenny Hume, how about 15 seconds?

... 5 seconds to get wet ... Turn off water ... lather up (not too much!)

... Turn shower back on for a "luxurious" 10 seconds to wash off ... Try it!

Not only is it possible but with practice you can even get it down to 10 seconds total.

This method I believe comes from the US Navy (submarines probably) but could be wrong ... I used it for a few years whilst on various fishing trawlers that had very limited fresh water.

I would be willing to concede another 5 seconds for women / men with long hair although at the time I was using this method I had long hair and a bushy beard!

Cheers

PS ... I currently use an "extravagant" 15 litres per shower ... in a camp shower I fill and haul up with a pulley I installed on the ceiling above the bath (shower now redundant).... it gives me about a two minute (plus) shower! ... Heaven! ... I even re-cycle that onto the garden. (I am on tank water only ... 5000 gallons).

 

Do that too Simon

Simon, I confess the wet, soap and rinse routine is applied when at Goulburn but there is a bit more luxury at the farm as the water keeps coming up out of the ground.

I must see how quickly one can be in, and out. You have set me a challenge. I will report back.

I am not sure I could cope with your system though. Sounds hard work.  But seven minutes! For crying out aloud. When will people wake up do you think?

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