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The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
1 Boris Johnson on terror laws, the police and trumped-up charges/Telegraph (3 links below) 2 Interview with Martin Shaw/Democratiya (link below) 3 Reuel Marc Gerecht talks down the Plame affair/WSJ (8 links below) 4 David Gelln on Philip Rieff and the new barbarism/Chronicle 5 Graham Stewart on the myth of Murdoch the dictator/Times (2 links below) 6 Mark Dowie on conservation's indigenous refugees/Orion (link below) 7 Dana Millbank on big oil and influence/Washington Post 8 Christopher Buckley on teaching ethics at the White House/NYTimes (2 link below) 9 Juan Goytisolo on his new autobiographical novel/Le Monde 10 TECH: How to Google your dinner/Washington Post (2 links below) 11 Remembering the dismissal/Larvatus Prodeo (links below) 12 IN THE PAPERS: National, Opinion, Business round-up 1 Blair, Boris and one night in Oxford This one is a delightful, and very British read. Of course it is easy not to be concerned about laws, however draconian, when you are fairly sure that they don't apply to "us" - but only to "them". ("They came for the intellectuals, and I said nothing ...) Conservative MP and Spectator editor (amongst other claims to fame) Boris Johnson had an experience with the plod as a callow youth, one that seems to have left him with a life-long concern about the right to detain without charges and due process, as proposed under UK (and Australian) anti-terrorism laws. "By this stage I am afraid that the Bullingdon Club was very far from the proud phalanx of tailcoated twits that had set out for dinner the night before. Some of us were beginning to whimper for our mothers. Others, half-asleep, groaned the names of their nannies. Some of us were brave enough to lie on the bemerded floor. Others stood up, streaked and dishevelled, and tried to sleep on their feet." The aftermath of Tony Blair's first ever Parliamentary defeat on detention powers still reverberates. The Guardian reports that Blair remains defiant, even "as the government's own panel of Muslim experts warned that it still risked alienating their community." In the same paper, Britain's answer to Matt Price, Simon Hoggart, describes the scene as Parliament regained its relevance. And The Times reports that the tension leading up to the vote almost resulted in physical violence toward one Labour rebel. BORIS JOHNSON/THE DAILY TELEGRAPH 2 Interviews with Shaw and Saul Two interviews, with two respected voices, both from "the left" (whatever that is these days), though in the case of Martin Shaw (link below) one critical of both the anti-Iraq war left (Pilger and Galloway) as well as its supporters (Hitchens, Aaronovitch and Cohen). Shaw is a sociologist of war and global politics and holds the Chair of International Relations and Politics at the University of Sussex. "We face a threat of terrorist attack which is sufficient to generate serious atrocities, to harm our society through militarising its politics and curtailing our civil liberties. But the threat is obviously not of a kind which will destroy our society. It's a different sort of threat than the old Soviet Union. In this sense I think it's a threat which is quite well suited to the ideological project of the global war on terror which Bush has proclaimed. I think it's interesting to observe the way in which al-Qaeda calibrates its attacks with Western political developments. We have seen the intervention just before a Spanish election, the video tape which Bin Laden sent just before the American election, which I think helped Bush, and the delaying of the attacks on Britain until after the British election. I think there's a sense which al-Qaeda needs Bush and Bush needs al-Qaeda." And Mother Jones interviews John Ralston Saul about his new book "The Collapse of Globalism". "And the interesting thing is, even that disparity between rich and poor doesn't total up to a big increase in wealth; it's just that a small group of people are getting richer and a much larger group of people are getting poorer. So getting more of the pie today, for the poor, still wouldn't represent a success for the system. This suggests that the system, as designed by the globalists, simply isn't delivering what it said it would deliver." MARTIN SHAW/DEMOCRATIYA 3 Plame and Niger update Plame update time, even though all of this may well be one for obsessives only. Judith Miller, the journalist at the centre of the affair , has "retired" from the NYTimes. The New York Observer reports Miller's immediate reaction and it has other reports on the move (scroll down past the battle of the front pages). And naturally the woman herself has a blog with a full account of her version of events. Meanwhile, the debate over whether or not former Dick Cheney chief-of-staff should have be indicted continues. Former CIA agent Reuel Marc Gerecht (link below), now with the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute thinks not, and runs what has become the right's main line of defence: this is much ado about nothing and Plame's husband Joe Wilson is a lightweight liar. "A serious CIA would never have allowed Mr. Wilson to go on such an odd, short "fact finding" mission. It never would have allowed Ms. Plame potentially to expose herself by recommending such an overt mission for her mate, not known for his subtlety and discretion. With a CIA where cover really mattered, Mr. Libby would not now be indicted. But that's not what we have in the real world. We have an American left that hates George W. Bush and his vice president so much that they have become willing dupes in a surreal operational stage-play." But according to the Pew Centre, as reported by Dan Froomkin, the average punter thinks it is important. "But according to a new Pew Research Center poll, the recent indictment of senior White House aide Scooter Libby is a really big deal: Even more important to the country, for instance, than the 1998 charges that President Bill Clinton lied under oath about Monica Lewinsky. Those, of course, led to Clinton's impeachment." On the very much related Niger yellowcake bogus document scandal, Salon is talking up the Italian connection. But neo-conservative spruiker Michael Ledeen is pointing the finger at the French. Ledeen, remember, was directly involved in a meeting with Italian intelligence prior to the documents coming into official US hands, and he chooses an odd way of responding to suggestions that he may even have had a hand in forging them - by imagining a ouija board session with a late CIA chief. (Now if you wanted to give yourself wriggle room on any of your denials, this would be one way of doing it.) And on the wider question on the Iraq invasion and WMDs, uber-conservative Norman Prodhoretz in Commentary is doing all he can to protect the Bush administration from the charge that it lied about the intelligence used to justify the war - without discussing some of the latest material (see Archives). REUEL MARC GERECHT/THE WALL STREET JOURNAL 4 The new barbarism After three decades of silence, conservative sociologist Philip Rieff is about to have four books released. David Glenn looks at Rieff's life and work, and devotes some space to his marriage in the '50s to Susan Sontag. "But in a more important sense, the two scholars went on to move in very different directions. Ms. Sontag had a much more hopeful view - although always ambivalent - toward feminism and other liberal and radical cultural currents. Her 1966 collection, Against Interpretation, praised Norman O. Brown, whom Mr. Rieff regarded as a utopian "left-Freudian." In 1985 she wrote an appreciative introduction to a volume of Robert Mapplethorpe's photographs. Mr. Rieff is far more skeptical: His new book includes a meditation on one of Mr. Mapplethorpe's photographs, which culminates with the declaration that "homosexuality as a social movement is not a movement of love but a movement of hatred and indifference." DAVID GLENN/THE CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION 5 If you really knew Rupert Having spent some time in the Murdoch empire, and 25 years in and around journalism, it is hard to take this one seriously. Perhaps this is the first of a "myth of the great dictator" series by Graham Stewart, who is described by HarperCollins as a highly rated historian. Will we see, Saddam, Adolf and Benito, myth of the great dictators? As Stewart tells the story, we've all had it wrong about Rupert (including all those former editors and executives who told a similar tale?) By this telling Murdoch is the model of the independent proprietor, encouraging outspoken diversity where ever he goes. (There are no indications that this is intentional satire.) "There was a natural self-interest in The Times's commercial rivals portraying it as the mouthpiece of its owner. By questioning the objectivity of the paper's judgment, these attacks hit at the heart of its appeal. Every editorial decision, from backing the Conservatives to backing new Labour was, sooner or later, attributed to Murdoch's hidden hand. Differences of opinion not only between his British newspapers but also with his own supposed opinions were disregarded or overlooked." The Globe and Mail has the latest grim statistics on US newspaper circulation. "Average weekday circulation at U.S. newspapers fell 2.6 per cent during the six month-period ending in September in the latest sign of trouble in the newspaper business." (Of course those same newspapers have presumably picked up many thousands of readers online, which is not accounted for in these statistics.) And in the rapidly changing media world, Microsoft said yesterday that it would develop a news video distribution network for The Associated Press and share in advertising revenue generated by the newspapers and broadcasters that use it. GRAHAM STEWART/THE TIMES 6 Indigenous refugees and ecotourism The notion of "wilderness" has a bad name in some indigenous circles, carrying as it does the concept of being untouched by humans. The result of this policy around the world, according to Mark Dowie, is the destruction of indigenous cultures, and probably the loss of biodiversity as well. "It's no secret that millions of native peoples around the world have been pushed off their land to make room for big oil, big metal, big timber, and big agriculture. But few people realize that the same thing has happened for a much nobler cause: land and wildlife conservation. Today the list of culture-wrecking institutions put forth by tribal leaders on almost every continent includes not only Shell, Texaco, Freeport, and Bechtel, but also more surprising names like Conservation International (CI), The Nature Conservancy (TNC), the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), and the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS). Even the more culturally sensitive World Conservation Union (IUCN) might get a mention." And in Common Ground, Suzanne York is not impressed by ecotourism as it is practiced. "Among the most degrading effects of ecotourism is the marketing of indigenous heritage, cultural identity, and sacred rituals. Ancient cultures are quickly reduced by this activity to another exotic product to be advertised and sold. Rituals, dances, and religious ceremonies are stripped of their deeper traditional spiritual value and made meaningless. Indigenous artifacts are valued only for their souvenir potential, and the indigenous people themselves tend to be valued only as a photo opportunity. Local crafts are often crowded out of the market altogether, as corporations copy them and mass-produce arts and crafts and clothing, marginalizing the local craftsperson and substituting cheap labor outside of the country. In Malaysia and Indonesia, for example, the fine art of batik, a dye-and-wax process that creates beautiful prints on natural fiber, is now mass-produced on synthetic materials in hundreds of factories in Southeast Asia. Traditional designs have been replaced by pop art." MARK DOWIE/ORION 7 What money can buy Money won't buy happiness, so they say, but it sure buys influence. At least one local outlet - let's spare the guilty party just this once - got quite excited yesterday about the fact that "big oil" had been called before the US Congress to explain high oil prices and record company profits, declaring it was "big news". Umm. They should have waited to see exactly what transpired. As Dana Millbank describes it, they were beaten lightly with a feather. "But instead of calling oil executives on the carpet yesterday, senators gave them the red-carpet treatment. The companies summoned to testify have given about $400,000 in PAC money this year alone -- and much of that has found its way to those who served as the executives' interrogators." DANA MILLBANK/WASHINGTON POST 8 Teaching White House ethics This one definitely is satire. A few days back TDB brought news that George Bush had ordered White House staff to attend ethics classes in response to the charges bought against Lewis Libby. Christopher Buckley sits in on a class. ""Let's move on. Now suppose - yes, Mr. Cheney?" "I have to go. I have a meeting." "Please sit down. This is important." "So's my meeting." "Perhaps you'd like to share with us what it's about?" "Torture." This one is not satire, but it should be. Yesterday TDB linked to a report that a pro-"intelligent design" school council in Pennsylvania had been voted out of office, every last one of them. Pat Robertson has news for those heathen voters - God is pissed, really pissed. "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there." And in case you hadn't heard, Libby in earlier, happier days, tried his hand at writing a book, as many Republicans have done before him. The New Yorker reviews this little known literary genre - the right-wing dirty novel. "So, how does Libby stack up against the competition? This question was put to Nancy Sladek, the editor of Britain's Literary Review, which, each year, holds a contest for bad s*x writing in fiction. (In 1998, someone nominated the Starr Report.) Sladek agreed to review a few passages from Libby. "That's a bit depraved, isn't it, this kind of thing about bears and young girls? That's particularly nasty, and the other ones are just boring," she said. "God, they're an odd bunch, these Republicans." Unlike their American counterparts, she said, Tories haven't taken much to sex writing." (Is there an Australian equivalent? Has Ron Boswell say, or Santo Santoro, ever written a bed-bouncer?) CHRISTOPHER BUCKLEY/NYTIMES 9 Juan Goytisolo on his latest novel From Le Monde, a writer TDB had not previously encountered. Juan Goytisolo has written a dozen novels, and is considered among the best fiction in Spanish in the 20th century, so we are told. In this article, he discusses his latest, autobiographical novel. "In 'Telon de Boca' the image of a crushed thistle in Chechnya, trampled by the boots of the Russian army and the tsar, later by Yeltsin's boots and now by Putin's, is a recurrent theme: the absurd and constant renewal of human barbarity. Given the choice between society's progress and its bestial heritage, the latter often prevails. Not much has changed in that respect. The brutality of the Spanish civil war is replayed in every civil war." JUAN GOYTISOLO/LE MONDE 10 How to Google your dinner This sounds like a great idea (link below) for those of us who walk into a kitchen stacked with ingredients and can't think of anything to cook. "The concept behind Google cooking is basic: Simply plug in your ingredients and the word "recipes," press Google search, then wait for the results to pop up. The engine will scour reams of Web sites -- from the expected (Food Network's http://foodtv.com/ ) to the obscure ( http://acupuncture.com/ ) -- for recipes that incorporate your desired foodstuffs. With its infinite repository, Google can find recipes for unconventional food pairings or exotic products that might stump most cookbooks." What it might come up with if you typed in "half a tomato, some limp celery, a mouldy thing that could have been a carrot and a dozen stubbies" is anyone's guess. And for those who need such things, David Pogue in the NYTimes is excited about anytime, anywhere wireless downloading of songs onto your mobile. "This remarkable service is brought to you by Sprint. It's the first cellular carrier to unveil a phone-based online music store; the others have similar plans. Their logic goes like this: "Those crazy kids have bought 30 million iPods and a billion songs from online music stores. They also spend nearly $5 billion a year on downloadable ring tones. What if we could combine those two trends? If teenagers could download full-length songs right onto their cellphones - we'll be rich, I tell you! Rich!"" And in the same paper, Lizette Alvarez looks at the problems created by a flood of emails, and reports that there are now consultants to deal with it. (TDB has one of those. It's called the delete key.) "The onslaught has given rise to a cottage industry of consultants who advise companies - including Microsoft, which helped create e-mail - on how to juggle their e-mail messages and focus on being more proactive than reactive, a difficulty in today's e-mail-intense corporate world." THE WASHINGTON POST 11 Remembering 11/11 This one is a shameless plug for another (Brisbane-based) online outlet. To commemorate the 30th anniversary of the beginning of the end for Sir John Kerr, "for all of today the Larvatus Prodeo bloggers will share their thoughts and perspectives on The Dismissal. Some will examine the politics of then and now while others will reflect on the times. Some will use The Dismissal as a jumping off point for reflection on other matters." (Link below) And to show that TDB is politically balanced when it comes to shameless plugs, Sydney-based RWDBs (Right Wing Death Beasts) might like to join Australia's shallowest and nastiest blogger to celebrate Gough's downfall. Apparently things could get interesting. LARVATUS PRODEO
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re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Robyn, what they should do is make it so that you need a doctor's certificate if the day you are having off is Monday or Friday. That will work in curbing that habit.
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Australia needs 1000 extra GPs. Yep, where I live, if employers take up the power to demand a medical certificate after one day's absence in the new IR legislation, their workers will have no recourse but to accept docked pay because it takes three or four weeks to get in to see a doctor. And that's if you have a regular doctor. Mostly books are closed to new patients.
I suppose they could spend their sick day travelling in closer to the city centre to wait around at one of those 24-hr clinics. That would probably mean they needed the next day off too, though.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Anglican Archbishop of Sydney has rebuked the federal Liberal MP Malcolm Turnbull and appealed to the major parties to put the common good before individual freedom.
Funny, that was an argument used for the execution of Jesus: "Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people." (John 18:14 - sorry it's the King Jim version, the only one I could find online in a hurry.)
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Why has the Western media forgotten the victims of the Pakistan earthquake?
The world reacted with overwhelming support for the Tsunami but has not responded well for the children trapped in the mountains of Pakistan.
We are focused on terrorism and IR and perhaps the best we can do to prevent future acts of terrorism is to show that we do care!
See here:
A dollar spent on aid is worth ten spent on security.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
I too am worried about connections between cannabis and mental illness, but the Australian has to win awards for sloppiness with this report. Note the discrepancy between these two paragraphs:
Oh, and the last para of the article: "Mr Howard said his department would examine a Mental Health Council study and report to cabinet on possible responses." refers not to cannabis at all, but the the landmark Not for service report on failures in the mental health care system.
Patricia Karvelas: back to journalism school.
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An extract from Laura Tingle's A tale of terrorism in two electorates in Financial Review (view with $2.50, or a subscription):
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So it was merely coincidence that all of Murdoch's 100-plus newspapers were flag-waving supporters of invading Iraq? Yeah, right.
On the subject of drug psychosis, the biggest mental health crisis we are facing is caused by methamphetamine use. Meanwhile politicians keep focusing on cannabis, which is the lesser of those two evils. The meth problem wasn't around when our leaders were young, which could explain why they tend to be blind to it.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
See Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings:
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re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Michael Coleman, the Haaretz piece you yourself linked to says:
Please, this is already a hot-button issue, and spreading untruths and misinformation do not serve understanding. Think and check before you post stories like that. This false story is on the same level as the "Jews were warned to stay home on 9/11" canard, and serves no-one except those dedicated to perpetuating conflict and bigotry.
If Webdiary is truly to be an "alternative," a "citizens' journalism" answer to the mainstream media, then we must hold ourselves to at least the journalistic standards to which the mainstream are supposed to adhere (and so often do not).
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Wayne, thanks for the How to Google Your Dinner link - what a neat idea.
Now I wonder what inspirational ideas I can get with "john orifice pineapple howard"
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Will Howard, how do you know which are ‘untruths’ and ‘misinformation’ and which are not? Legitimate questions have arisen. How do these perpetuate ‘conflict and bigotry’? Is it because they don’t support your ideas of Israelis being always the victim in this conflict or is it because you are unable to accept that Israeli forces are often, and have proven to be, the perpetrators while trying to pass the blame on to others and trying to make themselves look the victims in order to pursue some other deceitful agenda?
I suggest that you and others, in denying the validity of the questions that are raised and simply labelling them as ‘untruths’ and ‘misinformation’, are the perpetuators of ‘conflict and bigotry’. Most of us are simply searching for the truth.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Will Howard, the Haaretz story was quoted by The LA Times. Subsequently, the Haaretz story was changed without any explanation.
As Bob has noted, Amos Guiora directly confirmed the early evacuation of Israelis.
I saw the original story on Haaretz, but refrained from posting it until I found independent confirmation.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Will Howard: "Please, this is already a hot-button issue, and spreading untruths and misinformation do not serve understanding. Think and check before you post stories like that. This false story is on the same level as the "Jews were warned to stay home on 9/11" canard, and serves no-one except those dedicated to perpetuating conflict and bigotry."
It might well be a false story. However, it would help if you had responded to both of Michael's references. You failed to mention his second point about Dr Guiora. To help, the story is here.
That should help you fully respond to Michael.
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Jay White, please don't jump to conclusions. It is entirely unreasonable to decide that I blame Israel or the USA for the deadly explosions in Jordan based on my posts to this thread.
If you are arguing that Israelis were not evacuated early, you are proposing your own "conspiracy nonsense". Do you really think it is likely that The LA Times and well known Israeli Amos Guiora have colluded to perpetuate a lie started by Haaretz?
There are some questions arising from the original report that Jordanian security forces escorted Israelis from the Radisson before the bombing. And it seems to me that it is the Jordanians who have to answer most of these questions.
And I'd also like to know why Haaretz buried the original report in the way that they did.
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Michael Coleman I am surprised that you have taken this direction of argument. I thought you to be a more serious person than the one willing to take the conspiracy nonsense with anything more than a grain of salt.
The fact is, going from yesterday's street protests in Jordan, the people there do not have any doubts about who is to blame. Surprise, suprise it is neither Israel or the USA.
The most successful killing of Muslims is being carried out by other so called Muslims. I also think, going by the demonstrations, that the majority of people in these societies have just about had enough.
They certainly dont need these things cheered on by malcontents and lunatics living in Western nations far from the violence. I don't see you as one of these people and, as I have said, I am surprised by your last postings.
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Here's the story they're running over at the New York Times. It's accompanied by a sound-effect called the "sound of one knee jerking."
Could be more Zionist propaganda though. But you guys aren't accusing anyone of anything - you're just "raising questions," that's all. Like "when did you stop beating your wife?"
Here's a legitimate question: is it possible you've swallowed a story hook line and sinker because it's exactly what you want to hear?
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The LA Times story says "Amos N. Guiora, a former [my emphasis] senior Israeli counter-terrorism official, said in a phone interview with The Times that sources in Israel had also told him about the pre-attack evacuations.
'It means there was excellent intelligence that this thing was going to happen,' said Guiora, a former leader of the Israel Defence Forces who now heads the Institute for Global Security Law and Policy at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland."
A former official quotes "sources" (unnamed)? This would flunk Journalism 101. Come on guys, you have to raise your game to some level of journalistic standards above this type of innuendo. I would accept the Israelis might have done something bad if there was proof. Remember the "Massacre" of Jenin?
Damian Are you so intent on blaming all the world's troubles on Israel that you've become as "gullible" as the "right-wing dupes" you take so much pleasure in contemptuously castigating on these pages?
(check out that alliteration!)
Bob, Michael, Damian: All I say can about the "Israelis evacuated their people" story say is: prove it! You're all great at demanding "proof" when the Howard government says there's a terrorist threat or says a terrorist suspect shot at police. Where your vaunted scepticism now? The LA Times, the NY Times, and Washington Post all got it wrong on Iraqi WMD, which you've all pointed out with great glee. But now you believe the LA Times over Haaretz? Hmmm - I say "gullible."
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Will Howard, I just found this on harretz.com:
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Pretty sloppy to leave this on their site without any update or a link to the reversal don't you think?
I think we can all guess why the MSM lied about WMD and Iraq. I can't wait to hear your theory as to why Amos Guiora or The LA Times would lie about a subject like this.
If you really want to know "exactly what [I] want to hear", the headlines would be "Peace Breaks Out In Middle East", "Sovereignty, Dignity And Opportunity For All People Guaranteed".
Will, please lay off the personal stuff. I'd like to think we can discuss this without getting nasty. Even if we disagree vehemently.
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Will Howard, my point was about you dismissing someone's argument without addressing all the evidence provided. And then pontificating about journalistic standards.
That you now include me in your demand to "prove it" is a misrepresentation of the point of my post. I suggest you examine your own journalistic standards.
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See Palestinian intelligence chief killed in Amman hotel blast:
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Will Howard asks: “Are you so intent on blaming all the world's troubles on Israel…” You think I’m blaming all the worlds’ troubles on Israel!!? That’s a big leap from simply pondering the truth behind conflicting stories about what foreknowledge the Israelis had or did not have prior to certain incidents throughout history. But the really big leap Will Howard, is the one you seem to make to its defence every time Israel’s involvement in anything slightly dodgy gets a mention at Webdiary.
All I am doing is asking questions – just seeking the truth. If it seems that I ask certain questions in such a way as it may seem that I am implying that Israel is up to some sort of no good and/or that I am sceptical about some of the stories Israel puts out, it is because they have a recurrent history of deceit and of getting up to no good. You may spin it any way you wish; the reality is Israel has a very well documented history of lies and deception. Their word can no longer be accepted at face value. Everything needs, for the sake of history, to be questioned.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
The NY Times and other outlets are running a story that an Iraqi woman has confessed to being part of the Jordanian bombings. Zarqawi has apparently claimed responsibility for the attacks. Now this could all be Israeli propaganda, or possibly, just possibly the story is true. Isn't it possible that Zarqawi really exists? And that he's really behind some nasty terrorism?
I'm only asking questions. Seeking truth. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
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OK - apologies for my tone in the previous posts. But my point stands in one sense - all I'm doing is "raising questions," not accusing anyone of anything, like gullibility. So you see how it comes across. You can say anything you want, no matter how pernicious, if you put it in the form of a question. "Just asking questions." How could any intrepid Webdiary-reading seeker-after-truth object to that? Surely no one is afraid of few questions in search of truth?
Anything is possible, like the Earth was created in six days, and all the geological evidence was placed in just such a way to fool us into thinking it was 4 billion years. Or maybe the story of Israeli foreknowledge of the Jordanian bombings was Arab disinformation. If the Israelis can do it, why not Zarqawi?
So OK, I ask: what if the story that the Israelis knew ahead of time was a clever plant to dupe gullible left-wing Westerners who are only too ready to believe anything painting the evil Zionists as nasty schemers? I'm only asking. To seek the truth, of course. Surely Webdiarists aren't afraid of a few questions. Are you?
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Will Howard, the truth it seems was always known by the people of Jordan going by last week's street demonstrations. A pity a few Western leftists did not take the hint.
The biggest killer today of Muslims is by other so-called Muslims.
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Will Howard, I can't find anything in any of the reports that indicates that Israeli intelligence was responsible for the early evacuation of Israelis from the Radisson. As I understand it, the Jordanians had foreknowledge and Jordanians evacuated the Israelis.
I am thinking that the Jordanians had specific warning of a threat and decided that the diplomatic consequences of Israeli casualties were too severe and they decided not to take any chances in that regard. For me, the big question still remains; why weren't the other guests and staff protected too? I am also thinking that Haaretz may have pulled the original story to reduce the pressure on Jordanian authorities to explain themselves.
As for this story being "a clever plant to dupe gullible left-wing Westerners", I can only wonder why the Haaretz editors and reporters were party to this. Don't you think they would have required something more than speculation to run such a sensitive story in the first place? And you still haven't offered any motive for Amos Guiora and The LA Times to perpetuate a lie designed to trick the gullible. Sounds like you are proposing a conspiracy theory.
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Will Howard, the only interesting thing here is that it has to be you to raise the NYT report.
As for the others? The first time they ever raise something on this subject which isn't a piece of anti-Israel slander or propaganda they have managed to trawl from somewhere on the net, I might begin to think about giving their claims of academic or professional objectivity some sort of credence.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Geoff Pahoff, you've picked the only report that's not particularly relevant here. You, Will Howard and Jay White have all scored in excess of 9.5 from all the judges in the Olympic (Knee) Jerk.
Here's a tip: Go back to my first post and read it as an attack on the Jordanian authorities - an attack that does not question the identity of the bombers.
I am particularly surprised by Will's response. For some time I have admired his posts for their intelligence and moderation. Even when I have disagreed, I have been able to respect his opinions for their clear and considered reasoning.
Seems that I, however, have been labelled a ratbag and an 'enemy of Israel'. Instead of reading my posts for what they actually contain, they are filtered and interpreted as anti-Israeli as a matter of course. Even though I have quoted Israeli sources!
I've been attacked for not thinking, not checking, gullibility, flunking journalism 101 and serving the interests of those dedicated to perpetuating conflict and bigotry. You don't want to discuss the reports, you want to smear and sneer and deny. It's a reflex.
I'm struggling to find a reason why I should take you guys seriously ever again.
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OK Geoff, apology accepted, thank you.
I would more readily agree that my first posts smacked of an attack on Jews if I had not found a second source quoting Amos Guiora. I have yet to find anything that would identify him as anti-Israeli and unreliable.
I really thought my first reply to Jay should have given everyone enough of a hint to understand my line of enquiry.
re: The Daily Briefing 11/11/05
Alright Michael, I apologise. But I think you do have to admit that your original post and follow up smacked of the "all Jews working in the WTC stayed home on 9/11" theory. Try to understand how offensive that and similar theories are.
Another couple of tips if I may. Haaretz is kind of the SMH or The Guardian of the Israeli press. Not as bad as The Canberra Times but it does publish an awful lot of crap. Also take any single report on Israel/Palestine with a grain of salt. One side is being constantly misquoted or quoted out of context and the other side has made an artform out of lying. And watch out for the media feeding frenzies. Paper pogroms and blood libels. Such as the Jenin "massacre".