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Editorial PolicyMargo redrafted these guidelines for the new site, and we'll stick by them, subject to your input: G'day. Since I started Webdiary in 2000, I've envisaged it as a space for civil discourse between Australians of different political viewpoints – a democratic conversation. I was heavily influenced in this idea by my experience covering Pauline Hanson's 1998 election campaign, when it became heartbreakingly clear to me that Australia was two nations, the inhabitants of which seemed unable to understand what the other was talking about, let alone have a chat about it. I wrote about this in my book Off the Rails: the Pauline Hanson Trip (see Chapter 18, We're all poor lean people and we're bangin' on your gate). Thus, Webdiary's Charter states, in part, that its mission is "to help meet the unmet demand of some Australians for conversations on our present and our future, and to spark original thought and genuine engagement with important issues which effect us all, to link thinking Australians whoever they are and wherever they live and to insist that thinking Australians outside the political and economic establishment have the capacity to contribute to the national debate". I am a small l liberal by inclination. I hold my views strongly, and one of them is that people with different views to me have the right to be respectfully heard and engaged with on Webdiary. To that end, in 2003 I published Webdiary ethics, which adapts the Media Alliance Code of Ethics for Journalists to meet the online experience and sets out my expectations of Webdiary contributors ethically. Here are my expectations of Webdiary contributors:
[Added August 2007] It follows from the guidelines above that a question on the identity of other Webdiarists should be taken up with the editors, who will make whatever checks they consider necessary, but such questions will not be allowed within published comments, as it may be necessary to protect the identity of some Webdiarists, and in the classic double-bind of these things, answering only some questions on identity openly exposes the ones we can't answer openly. From 2000 to August 2004 Webdiary's process for reader participation was through emails to me, which I cut and paste into my Webdiary entries. It was a cumbersome process, to say the least, as more and more emails came in. Sometimes, when interest was very high, like post-Tampa and during the led up to war in Iraq, I couldn't even read them all, and advised Webdiarists accordingly.My policy was to run all emails critical of me or Webdiary except those which were obscene or content free abuse. Apart from that, I picked emails relevant to the topics I was pursuing at the time and did not run emails which I felt breached Webdiary's ethics. In September 2004 Fairfax handed over all responsibility for Webdiary to me via a new discrete Webdiary self-publishing system as part of my move from employee to contractor (see New Webdiary, frustrated Webdiarists). The new system provided for reader comments, and reader contributions exploded. The new system challenged my editorial policy on reader contributions, and I struggled to adapt for months. At first, my policy was skewed heavily towards free speech whatever the downside. Some Webdiarists stopped commenting, telling me the space no longer felt safe due to the level of personal abuse I published. Thus, my free speech bent started to impact adversely on my goal for Webdiary, to facilitate civil democratic conversation on important issues for Australia among people of differing views. Early this year the comments volume became so great that I could no longer both process comments and write for Webdiary, and I employed long time Webdiarist Jack Robertson to be Webdiary's comment manager. Jack did the hard work tightening up our publishing guidelines to make the space safer for all participants and ensure that debate was civil. He even instituted a temporary 'red card' system to force the issue. Jack drafted discussion guidelines, called a 'no abuse trial', and reported to readers on how it was working. Much commentary from readers ensued. See Jack R to pull beers at Club Chaos, Webdiary discussion guidelines and Webdiary 'no abuse' trial - week one. Here are the guidelines I've carried over to our permanent home:
Since then, I've found that more women have joined the conversation, and that debate has become more civil. The idea is simple – respect other people's points of view, and strive to engage with them on the merits. Passion is cool, and so is respect. If you think you've been unfairly edited, or that we've wrongly refused to publish your comments, please feel free to query our decision by posting a comment. This sometimes happens, and leads to an online discussion of the meaning and interpretation of the guidelines. Next year I will set up a system whereby Webdiarists who feel hard done by can complain to someone other than me. That person, a Webdiary Ombudsman, will have their own section where he or she would publish non-frivolous complaints, my response, and their views on the matter. That way we can flesh out the guidelines as different issues arise. Since September 2004 I have banned several people from Webdiary when I am satisfied that they are not commenting in good faith, but rather to destroy the safety of the space for the civil debate I'm seeking to foster. I will also ban people who make allegations of unethical conduct by me and refuse to either substantiate or withdraw their claims on request. I am a member of the Media Alliance, and for several years I've published the Alliance Code of Ethics for journalists and invited people who believe I have breached the code to complain to the Alliance, which has a process for determining ethical complaints against its members. Given that this process is in place, I won't put up with cheap allegations of unethical behaviour from me. I take such allegations very seriously, and expect those who make them to do the same. Respect for others includes respect for me. Banned posters will also be able to complain to Webdiary's Ombudsman. Fiona Reynolds and Richard Tonkin moderate Webdiary comments. We do not delete any comment posted to Webdiary, and the statistics of how many comments we don't publish and why are provided regularly by Webdiary's managing director David Roffey in comments to his management updates). To date we have published 97% of comments posted to the independent Webdiary. Webdiary will not publish comments or host discussion on the following matters:
Why these three? It isn't just because of the content, but also because experience of these debates tells us that in fact no debate is possible: the two (or more) sides endlessly repeat the same arguments to which the other side isn't listening. There are plenty of sites around devoted to these subjects where the interminable repetition is welcome: go debate them there. When you're there, remember that the complete lack of any evidence just shows how well the conspiracy is working. Obviously it can be difficult to draw the line, particularly when debating 9/11, and that can lead to some inconsistencies between editors, but that's life. ===================== Discussion guidelines are always a work in progress, and your input is always welcome.
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forbidden fruit! (i.e. bananas)
Mindful that the 'Verbot' extends also to links, examine the following and enter the appropriate bits into google:
Web Results 1 - 100 of about 182 English pages for "False flag" site:thedailyheretic. (0.46 secs)
I'll make it even easier; copy'n paste from and including the 1st double-quote up to but not including the following full-stop. If the 'hit' I'm thinking about isn't #1 look for 'Wednesday, April 13, 2005' I haven't looked further; can't recommend any ('Verbot' rules?)
Different topic, but while preparing for this post, I found this on propaganda at Wiki.
An while we're about it, you could try this one on the book 1984. Search it for "the big lie".
Re Forbidden Fruit ! (ie Bananas)
Phil Kendall: Would you mind enlightening me please as to what is suddenly so amusing about bananas being forbidden fruit. Why bananas in particular?
Censorship is censorship
I am of the view that no subject should be sacred and the issue should not be what is said but how it is said. Mature debate about issues, and that means informed and courteous debate, is, I believe, always a positive contribution. Censorship is censorship and excluding any topics is censorship.
However, one abides by the rules of the particular game and I accept that Webdiary has its own rules.
I can understand the decision to stay away from the holocaust because of the capacity for hysteria which the topic seems to evoke, but I do not understand why 9/11 is a no-go zone. There is a growing movement questioning what happened on that day and its members include academics, scientists, engineers, pilots and the whole gamut of 'experts' whose opinions, whether right or wrong, are thought provoking. On the basis that as adults we should be allowed to question and explore whatever happens in our world and that the more we know about our past the less likely we are to make the same mistakes, I really do not understand why a thorough exploration and discussion of 9/11 is considered unacceptable.
And what on earth is a 'false flag theory'? I need to know what it is so I can avoid it.
Let It All Hang Out
I agree with Roslyn.
In fact I would go further. She says:
"I can understand the decision to stay away from the holocaust because of the capacity for hysteria which the topic seems to evoke, but I do not understand why 9/11 is a no-go zone."
WD policy is to not publish anything that denies the fact of the holocaust.
Why not? You can see what Roslyn Ross has in mind by the words she chose to describe WD's policy.
Why not let her have her say on what she thinks about this. And 9/11 for that matter. Why sanitise the stuff these people have to say? I say put it all on show.
That way, if anybody is still inclined to take seriously anything else these people say then they have only themselves to blame. They cannot claim they haven't had full warning.
Liars of us all
We seem to miss everything that belies the situation with Prime Minister, John Howard and the Treasurer, Peter Costello. Regardless of the situation, that seems to have caused a great divide within the Liberal Party (and let us finally recognize this; the political party that rules the government and its people with an iron fist and no questions asked attitude (somewhat of a communistic approach as it was with Russia during the Cold War), a liar is a liar.
It is no more fair to say that if one lies to their country one might as well be charged with treason to the flag because their lies do no good for the nation and its people, it belittles the people and denotes a lack of faith and trust from them to the people. We are without doubt faced with members who have been shown to lie and it is this reason that seems to be carried out without accountability for their actions, this denotes a shadowed and seemingly well hidden fact and that if these men of so called honor and loyalty to their nation and its people lie at one point of their political career, then what stops us from thinking that they have not been lying about everything else during their term in office.
I am no Beaszley man; I am no man belonging to any other man who believes only in what they can gain for themselves without focus to others who really need focus. I am a man who sees and hears the fellow mans scorns and complaints and the effect of the poor mans lack of care within this state of affairs. We are finally facing the inevitable engravement of the Poverty Line. A line that is soon to be completely defined by the labourers who work for pittance under the new IR laws, making no one but the rich richer and secure. A line that will be soon defined as a trench so that any man below, who wants to excel beyond it will simply fall right in, with no where else to go.
The unemployment rate has definitely decreased and this can definitely be credited to John Howard and his coterie of overpaid PSs and Ministers, but at what cost? How long will it take for people to realize that soon it will be too late to do anything about anything and that the old “she’ll be right mate’ and the ‘not much you can do about it’ attitude wont get us out of the rut that seems to be looming for all those who can barely afford the current petrol prices, let alone afford to buy half a kilo of bananas. If we let things carry on as it is, we will be faced with a nation of labourers slowly sold out to foreign nations as slaves for rich organizations and companies. They have already been doing this with the likes of Telstra and who knows what else.
We will be no better than the poor Kurd or African who toils for less than a dollar a day, while the lying CEO sits comfortably in his office smoking cigars drinking the finest brandy and dealing with his overpaid lawyers, just in case the carpet gets pulled from underneath his 3000 dollar high-back leather chair.
A liar is a liar no matter how you see it and no matter what status or class you are from. As a self-acclaimed Christian, with strong Christian beliefs, should he not follow by example and be judged accordingly, as he seems to judge everyone else by those examples and beliefs? It is time that the people started to realize that it is in their power to do this, to hold him and his Ministers and Public Servants accountable for whatever lies or manners of deceit they have engaged in presently and in the past, so that they and any future leader, regardless of ruling party, can fall within the guidelines of the people and the nation that they love and feel unconditionally patriotic towards.
What kind of a hopeful and prospective future are we creating for our children and into whose hands are we leaving them in? We will all see how much value our votes have in the next election, but most importantly who will stand up to be our next so called trustworthy leader of the people. I am hoping that someone will come up true and make a liar out of me.