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Editorial Policy

Margo redrafted these guidelines for the new site, and we'll stick by them, subject to your input:

G'day. Since I started Webdiary in 2000, I've envisaged it as a space for civil discourse between Australians of different political viewpoints – a democratic conversation. I was heavily influenced in this idea by my experience covering Pauline Hanson's 1998 election campaign, when it became heartbreakingly clear to me that Australia was two nations, the inhabitants of which seemed unable to understand what the other was talking about, let alone have a chat about it. I wrote about this in my book Off the Rails: the Pauline Hanson Trip (see Chapter 18, We're all poor lean people and we're bangin' on your gate).

Thus, Webdiary's Charter states, in part, that its mission is "to help meet the unmet demand of some Australians for conversations on our present and our future, and to spark original thought and genuine engagement with important issues which effect us all, to link thinking Australians whoever they are and wherever they live and to insist that thinking Australians outside the political and economic establishment have the capacity to contribute to the national debate".

I am a small l liberal by inclination. I hold my views strongly, and one of them is that people with different views to me have the right to be respectfully heard and engaged with on Webdiary. To that end, in 2003 I published Webdiary ethics, which adapts the Media Alliance Code of Ethics for Journalists to meet the online experience and sets out my expectations of Webdiary contributors ethically. Here are my expectations of Webdiary contributors:

As a journalist I have ethical obligations to readers; as a contributor you do not. Still, there are a few guidelines I'd like you to follow.

1. If you don't want to use your real name, use a nom de plume and briefly explain, for publication, why you don't want to use your real name. Please send me your real name on a confidential basis if you choose to use a nom de plume. I will not publish attacks on other contributors unless your real name is used.

2. Disclose affiliations which you think could reasonably be perceived to affect what you write. For example, if you are writing about politics, disclose your membership of a political party.

3. Don't plagiarise, that is don't use the ideas of others without telling us where they came from, and don't copy the writings of others and pass them off as your own. There is no need. Put quotes around the words of other people, and tell us who they are and where you got them from. If you've used online sources for your contributions, include the links so others can follow them up.

4. Be truthful. Don't invent 'facts'. If you're caught out, expect to be corrected in Webdiary

5. Robust debate is great, but don't indulge in personal attacks on other contributors.

6. Write in the first person. Remember, we're having a conversation here.

[Added August 2007] It follows from the guidelines above that a question on the identity of other Webdiarists should be taken up with the editors, who will make whatever checks they consider necessary, but such questions will not be allowed within published comments, as it may be necessary to protect the identity of some Webdiarists, and in the classic double-bind of these things, answering only some questions on identity openly exposes the ones we can't answer openly.

From 2000 to August 2004 Webdiary's process for reader participation was through emails to me, which I cut and paste into my Webdiary entries. It was a cumbersome process, to say the least, as more and more emails came in. Sometimes, when interest was very high, like post-Tampa and during the led up to war in Iraq, I couldn't even read them all, and advised Webdiarists accordingly.My policy was to run all emails critical of me or Webdiary except those which were obscene or content free abuse. Apart from that, I picked emails relevant to the topics I was pursuing at the time and did not run emails which I felt breached Webdiary's ethics.

In September 2004 Fairfax handed over all responsibility for Webdiary to me via a new discrete Webdiary self-publishing system as part of my move from employee to contractor (see New Webdiary, frustrated Webdiarists). The new system provided for reader comments, and reader contributions exploded.

The new system challenged my editorial policy on reader contributions, and I struggled to adapt for months. At first, my policy was skewed heavily towards free speech whatever the downside. Some Webdiarists stopped commenting, telling me the space no longer felt safe due to the level of personal abuse I published. Thus, my free speech bent started to impact adversely on my goal for Webdiary, to facilitate civil democratic conversation on important issues for Australia among people of differing views.

Early this year the comments volume became so great that I could no longer both process comments and write for Webdiary, and I employed long time Webdiarist Jack Robertson to be Webdiary's comment manager. Jack did the hard work tightening up our publishing guidelines to make the space safer for all participants and ensure that debate was civil. He even instituted a temporary 'red card' system to force the issue. Jack drafted discussion guidelines, called a 'no abuse trial', and reported to readers on how it was working. Much commentary from readers ensued. See Jack R to pull beers at Club Chaos, Webdiary discussion guidelines and Webdiary 'no abuse' trial - week one.

Here are the guidelines I've carried over to our permanent home:

Posts that contain personal abuse of another Webdiarist will not be published. Serial offenders may be permanently banned.

'Personal abuse' is a difficult and subjective notion, but the following are likely to be so:

a. any criticism of a Webdiarist's actual or imagined physical appearance or characteristic (voice, inherent intellect), or non-physical qualities over which they have no immediate control (writing ability, education level, life or work experience);

b. posts which contain sneering or foul-language criticism of views and opinions, as opposed to witty and pithy critiques;

c. criticisms that depend for their sting even obliquely on a Webdiarist's specific (known or imagined) sexuality, gender, race, religion or nationality;

d. most criticisms that assign a pejorative adjective or noun to a person rather than an adjective or an adverb to that person's actions (including the action of expressing of an opinion);

Another useful guide to apply when deciding whether or not your post is 'personally abusive' is to ask yourself: 'would I be prepared to make this comment face-to-face to my fellow Webdiarist if we were standing at the bar of Club Chaos?'

Since then, I've found that more women have joined the conversation, and that debate has become more civil. The idea is simple – respect other people's points of view, and strive to engage with them on the merits. Passion is cool, and so is respect. If you think you've been unfairly edited, or that we've wrongly refused to publish your comments, please feel free to query our decision by posting a comment. This sometimes happens, and leads to an online discussion of the meaning and interpretation of the guidelines.

Next year I will set up a system whereby Webdiarists who feel hard done by can complain to someone other than me. That person, a Webdiary Ombudsman, will have their own section where he or she would publish non-frivolous complaints, my response, and their views on the matter. That way we can flesh out the guidelines as different issues arise.

Since September 2004 I have banned several people from Webdiary when I am satisfied that they are not commenting in good faith, but rather to destroy the safety of the space for the civil debate I'm seeking to foster. I will also ban people who make allegations of unethical conduct by me and refuse to either substantiate or withdraw their claims on request. I am a member of the Media Alliance, and for several years I've published the Alliance Code of Ethics for journalists and invited people who believe I have breached the code to complain to the Alliance, which has a process for determining ethical complaints against its members. Given that this process is in place, I won't put up with cheap allegations of unethical behaviour from me. I take such allegations very seriously, and expect those who make them to do the same. Respect for others includes respect for me. Banned posters will also be able to complain to Webdiary's Ombudsman.

Fiona Reynolds and Richard Tonkin moderate Webdiary comments. We do not delete any comment posted to Webdiary, and the statistics of how many comments we don't publish and why are provided regularly by Webdiary's managing director David Roffey in comments to his management updates). To date we have published 97% of comments posted to the independent Webdiary.

Webdiary will not publish comments or host discussion on the following matters:

1. Denial of the existence of the holocaust.
2. Allegations that a Western power or powers were behind the attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001
3. "False flag" theories.

Why these three? It isn't just because of the content, but also because experience of these debates tells us that in fact no debate is possible: the two (or more) sides endlessly repeat the same arguments to which the other side isn't listening. There are plenty of sites around devoted to these subjects where the interminable repetition is welcome: go debate them there. When you're there, remember that the complete lack of any evidence just shows how well the conspiracy is working. Obviously it can be difficult to draw the line, particularly when debating 9/11, and that can lead to some inconsistencies between editors, but that's life.

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Discussion guidelines are always a work in progress, and your input is always welcome.

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Theories aplenty and therein can be truth

Gareth:   Many thanks for explaining the 'false flag' theory. I can understand the thought processes behind the censoring of such things but I still believe that there is a wide range of information available on subjects, 9/11 included, which enable rational and serious debate.

There are radicals and wild theories aplenty in the world but the reason why free and open debate is important is because it gives an opportunity to either substantiate or refute.

One man's conspiracy theory is another man's truth.  Censorship, by its nature, is the imposition of the views of one person, group, or in this case site, upon others. That's not what I call free debate.

Moderating surely deals with 'off the wall' posts I would have thought. Although plenty of 'off the wall' posts of the name-calling, insulting, defamatory and obtuse seem to get through.

We can agree to disagree. I think WD does a good job but find the particular exclusions like 9/11 and the holocaust to be a little odd. Yes, I can understand it, from your explanation in regard to 9/11 and as I said before, in regard to the hysteria button which seems to be ever primed in regard to the holocaust, but one then wonders why other controversial topics are not included.

Religion for one which can easily draw lots of 'off the wall' comments; or the assassination of JFK. If one cannot question some controversial and sensitive topics then why can others be questioned?  I suppose, in singling out these two, there is a position taken by WD which reveals or at least implies, a subjective position in regard to the issues.

Interestingly of course the reason why holocausts happen is because the powers that be manage to prevent free and open discussion of so-called conspiracy theories. There were whispers of the Russian gulags before the truth came out, there were whispers of Pol Pot's excesses, and of course of the Nazi atrocities and these would all have been, at one point, conspiracy theories.

Freedom of speech protects us from such things and those who publish always have the ability to monitor and edit how things are expressed.

Surely it is in questioning everything that we make it possible for anything and everything to be revealed.  If one topic can be a no-go zone then why not another? Just a thought.

Roslyn, the reason -

The reason that 9/11 conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial should NOT be topics here is that they are obviously racist and hate-inspired as well as an utter waste of everyone's time and energy. The Holocaust and 9/11 are well-known historical facts and the perpetrators are too. Your fixation on questioning the Holocaust is somewhat puzzling but it certainly does fit with your impassioned opposition to Israel.

Richard:  I seem to remember David Roffey suggesting a while back that a Twin Towers thread was possible if demand warranted it.  Maybe someone could write a piece? 

Leap of logic

Mike: It is quite a leap of logic to suggest debate of these two issues is racist and hate inspired.

I am not actually interested in debating the holocaust. It is historical record, give or take perhaps some detail which will no doubt emerge with the recent release of Nazi records in Germany. The horrors of the holocaust are not in doubt and the evidence that a systematic attempt to kill jews, gypsies, homosexuals and political dissenters is without question as things stand.

But 9/11 is very different. We have only the official view of what happened. There is a great deal of evidence which differs from this and it is being carried out by reputable experts including academics, scientists, pilots, architects, demolition specialists and engineers. There are many discrepancies as to the events of the day and increasing evidence, in fact, that many of the supposed perpetrators on the day are alive and well. Given the events which are sourced in 9/11 it behoves all of us to be very, very sure about what happened that day. Or as sure as we can be.

Then again, as has been clearly demonstrated time and time again, politicians lie, governments lie, supposedly often in the perceived public interest. The truths about World War Two and Vietnam took a long time to emerge. But emerge they should.

It is a fact that ultimately the truth will out. I have no problem questioning what I am told and have no problem with others questioning things either.

Then again, I find no topic sacred but I have an open mind. I am not sure Jesus Christ existed as there is virtually no archeological existence he did, but I am prepared to believe he might have been a real person. I doubt that he died and returned to life but I accept this could be possible; ditto the virgin birth. I am quite prepared to believe that 9/11 happened as we have been told but I would like to see clear evidence for it. I have seen enough evidence to the contrary to make me think that we do not really know the truth. But I do not have a fixed idea on what that truth might be. There are many possible scenarios.

Given that 9/11 has given birth to yet more war I think we need to be very, very sure about whether or not the reasons which have been given for those wars are valid.

As it stands we were told Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and we found out they did not. The truth put paid to the lie. Anything which puts paid to lies is in the interest of all of us. That is why freedom of speech is so important.

It is a precious gift which is more available than it has ever been. Everyone was lied to in WW1 and WW2 by all concerned. I don't want to see another world war sourced in lies. Do you?

 

Waste of time, Richard.

If Webdiary starts getting into nonsense like 9/11 conspiracy theories then you will likely lose the more sensible part of your audience. I'd advise against it. Keep the topics reality-based.

If instead the topic concerns what led the Islamaniacs who carried out 9/11 to do what they did, that would be fine with me, although it would probably generate as much heat and little light as the various Israel threads.

commercial in confidence (shortened to 'con', as in 'trick')

Re: 'nanas, sorry; can't do. No details to be disclosed. (Hidden agenda; extremely well hidden it seems, from you at least.) This message will shortly self-destruct in a genuine but sadly futile attempt to protect the Oh so many dreadful, innocent victims. Heart in right place, but currently toadally overwhelmed by forces of evil.
Yours sincerely; hoping for codeword 'blue-sky' bio-sustainable rescue,
(signature redacted)

PS We don't say "Hi, Guys" together, nor just "Hi" or "Guy" or any other such-like s**t (detested Ameri-speak - spit, spit!) Ameri-speak is swamping our great Aussie lingo, and therefore destroying whatever kulcha we might'a ever had (yeah. It wasn't very good kulcha, but it was our kulcha). Or perhaps you didn't notice the filthy, creeping culture-corruption either, since you don't realise you've been propagandised? All'a that anti-Aussie spew pours out'a TVs all'a cross our wide-brown, like a filthy torrent out'a stinking sewer. I know it for a fact, i.e. I just had Seven-Sunrise on (only for professional reasons, you understand) and heard an ostensible dinky-die say "Thanks, guys." Not even you can pretend it's not all pervasive - an' it's in the AusBC too (for example, Alan Saunders agreed to stop saying "Hi"). Even closer; you could try asking Margo (g'day!) Which reminds us (no, not Margo; exactly the opposite: the sewer) of just one'a our (mass-murderous!) to-be-brown-nosed-in-a-conga-line 'allies' nicknames: Septics. Not for no reason.

(Why would I rave about culture to a farmer? Silly me.)

Of course, speech is only the vehicle - but even just hearing the s**t makes one both wince and despair. It is, as they say, the content that counts, and for a perfectly dreadful example, hardly bettered since the 'people-shredders' travesty - on the way to a totally unjustified (except, say as 'murder for oil'), utterly criminal, mass-murderous illegal invasion, see Howard says Israel must defend its 'right to exist': "the exhortations from the Iranian President that Israel should be destroyed and wiped off the map". This *utter, lying garbage* has been comprehensively debunked 'in here' as elsewhere, here's a good example coming from some decent people in Germany. (As opposed to some perhaps just that little bit 'less decent', a current example of whom having been cuddled - or was that man-handled - at the recent G8.)

Extending the rave: as a farmer, you are a victim (of our 'system', aka the "world's best!") - and not a trivial victim either (at least by the sounds of it but whaddo I know?), and you know about it (but not propaganda, Oh no), as you've loudly complained about your victim-hood in here. Lots'a farmers are forced to slave away largely only for the (self-inflicted) miserable pittance left after paying the (blood-sucking!) mortgage, say. But some fly private-planes, and not your cheapie ultra-lights - Oh no; very much to the contrary. And the Rollers, crossing the paddocks... covered in sloppy, sticky sheep s**t. Only in times past? I doubt it; then there's Cubby. Yeah. The water rippers-off - just too bad if you're down-stream; poor fella my country, indeed. Business is Business? Bit of a stretch, but you never know (without looking); but it would fit the pattern, though. An extreme example of an "our world's best system" rip-off would be $30 dollars a tonne for Tassie spuds 'at the farm gate' then $3000 a tonne "at the take-away window" - or some such; I'm not doing your research. Perhaps you could explain one thing, though: just why do farmers bid up the price of farmland so stupidly sky-high, only to force themselves into an even more stupid debt-trap - then over-using the poor land, soil-mining the wide-brown into a dustbowl? In other words, what's the 'intelligence' behind risking voluntary poverty? Or, have the city-slickers just been suckered by sly farmers' crying-poor propaganda - haw, haw, haw!

PPS If you haven't got the message yet, it can hardly be my fault. You could try examining one or two of my last few hundred posts, say. But I'll save you even that small trouble, from my WD_1335 'maxims', Submitted on July 23, 2006 - 5:05pm: fair go, ya mug; stop the rip-offs, stop the killing: NO WAR!

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