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No time to be afraid of budget deficitsIn November 2008 G20 nations used fiscal stimulus to save the global economy. The Japanese who had experienced a bubble and a crash twenty years earlier had learnt that to maintain growth governments would have to stimulate their economies. Fortunately leaders of the G20 headed listened to the Japanese and the Global stimulus plan was put in place. The stimulus was very much the idea of economist Richard Koo, author of Holy Grail of Macro Economics. Here is part of a review of this book:
Recently Richard Koo gave a lecture at the Lowy Institute which now on SlowTV. In Japan 15 years ago housing prices soared and then slumped to 87% of their former value. Lower interest rates had little effect and unemployment climbed rapidly. Even with interest rates at zero no one was borrowing money. Asset prices had slumped and many were left bankrupt. In the private sector, the Japanese people and private companies were left with either no cash flow or were using their cash flow to pay off debt. Only government spending kept the Japanese economy from total collapse. The US suffered a similar collapse in 2008 resulting in a 46 percent drop in GDP and unemployment around 25 percent. Spain, Ireland and the UK have also suffered a similar fate. Many are now calling for these governments to reduce deficits and stop stimulus spending. Richard Koo says that if government stimulus stops now we will face another downturn in the global economy. He says governments should continue with their fiscal stimulus until private sector borrowing reaches more normal levels. The Chinese government has managed to maintain an 8 percent growth knowing that if it fails to keep up economic growth it has a very short future. Being a dictatorship it does not have to worry about voices that may be worried about growing government deficit.
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Parents...
John, transactional analysis is a very interesting approach to psychology and is particularly relevant to my own area of research - developmental psychology. You make a very good point.
Scott, I do like your name for this behaviour (though whether it can be called a syndrome is debatable). I must say that my childhood memories of Till Death Do Us Part were not of a comedy, but a particularly depressing family (and human) tragedy - undoubtedly apt in the present context.
A catastrophic failure for the US economy?
However, after the bruising brawl of last week over just a fraction of US government spending, Republicans are refusing to simply sign up to increasing the federal debt limit without bigger concessions from the White House.
With the US on the edge of a catastrophic economic failure, rather than cutting essential services wouldn't it be better to make the rich pay tax?
Idealism?
Way back, John, when I was an idealistic young crab, I believed that people would vote in accordance with their actual interests.
I am now a much older and maybe slightly wiser crab.
It is interesting to observe how reliably people will vote against their own best interests.
Reagan did it with the Americans - and did it not once but twice.
Howard did it with the Australians thrice (I freely admit that I was suckered first time, but never again) - but the enormity of WorkChoices finally did him in.
Flitting back to the Americans, did you ever hear any of the interviews where people who had been bankrupted by their medical bills ranted against President Obama's health reforms??
The only half-reasonable explanation that I can advance is that some people vote in accordance with what they wish their financial position might be, rather than in accordance with their depressing and depressed reality.
Contamination of the Adult
Fiona, like you I don't understand why working class people vote against their own interests.
My conclusion is that it may be tribal, some people will never question what their parents taught them. If you have read a book on transactional analayse called I'm OK you're OK by Thomas A Harris.
A lot of people seem to vote using their "Parent" rather than their "Child" or better still their "Adult".
Alf Garnett syndrome
Nice analysis Fiona and strangely I've never given much thought to the phenomenon of the working class Tory.
You might well have something there John.
While I'm on this thread it's a good opportunity to say "'told you so". Not you personally John but three or four years ago I was ridiculed here for daring to suggest America was an economic basket case. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Corporations and the wealthy must do their share!
44 million Americans live below the poverty line, Education and health care are out of the reach of many Americans.
It is obscene that the rich do not pay their share, causing millions to suffer.
It is this sort of greed that will bring capitalism to an end.
in god we trust
John, it appears you are starting to get it, yet greed has always been an inherent ingredient of capitalism, has it not?
Then why so different now?
I suppose greed in essence is a bit like a cumulative poison, such as lead. It builds up in the system until the system breaks down.
That is what we are really discussing here and now - a systemic collapse.
Paul M whacks the nail on the head:
And there you have it, when people lose trust or faith then the game is up. The numbers tell the story, and as much as the numbers are manipulated nothing can hide the fact that "trust" or "faith" in the system is at an all time low and sinking fast.
Gold Frankincense And Myrrh
David Roffey: "I submit to you that gold is just as much a fiat currency as paper money. It has essentially no inherent value except as an agreed means of exchange."
Agreed, however the "means of exchange" is the important part.
The use of fiat currency essentially isn't the problem. Fiat currency makes very practical sense more than anything else. Paper, gold or any other commodity is only as good as the system it's in operation. The means of exchange is another term for "trust".
Historically gold was favored above all others because of its rarity (limited), and the impossibility of duplication. Those two factors alone allowed gold an inherit unverisal "trust". In today's much more complicated world, gold as a currency would still be limited by the good or bad administration of the monetary system.
The fact is that any monetary system can theoretically be subverted (as any security system can be). That subversion moves from theory to fact when the "rule makers" become the "rule breakers". In plain English the "trust pact" is broken, and the means of exchange becomes questioned, which in turn causes instability. Trust and stability must work hand in hand with any monetary system in existence, if that system is to be successful.
I couldn't think of a worse option. The lynch-pin of the means of exchange should be something of non-practical use (many obvious reasons). As I've written it's not the commodity used it's the system it's used in.
I'm not sure if he ever was a "libertarian". He did once write a paper defending the gold standard. That was a long time ago, and he's long since walked away from the belief. Long before he was the Fed Chairman.
During Alan Greenspan's time at the Fed, the only time Ayn Rand would've got in the Fed was on a postage stamp.
A not so rosy global economic future
The British economy is dead in the water and the Tea Party is pursuing the same ideas in the US. With massive cuts promised the US economy will also continue to stagnate.
In 2012 even more cuts.
Meanwhile the Chinese economy is about to burst.
Out of kilter
From your last post John I can see that the realisation is dawning on you. Did you read the links and Adam Smith? Can you see what is wrong?
It's not about money; that can disappear in the blink of an eye.
Oh and David, your silence is deafening. Now that I'm in a better humour, SDR's arent exactly currency are they. I mean what can you buy with them?
Two speed economy. Growth and Prosperity?
The problem with Mr Swan's thinking is that we have a two speed economy. Mining is going gangbusters, but manufacturing, tourism, and housing are stagnant if not going backwards.
Unemployment in Cairns is at 13%.
A very BIG BUTT
OK, butts are wonderful and look delightful, butt should only be used as conjunctions, butt when used as a form of hypocrisy it all gets confusing.
BTW silver just hit an all time thirty year high of US$40.21, if you bought this time last year you'd be up over 120%. Funny that, when compared to fiat.
I really don't know how it works butt it is delightful.
David could you explain it too me, please?
Problem $olved
Dear President B.O.
It is common knowledge that the US dollar is pretty well worthless these days, probably because the colour of your currency is a dreadful green, yuk. But fear not Mr B.O. for all is not lost, yours truly has a solution.
The dollar desperately needs a make over, it needs to regain its sex appeal, so this is what we could do:
Instead of that yuky green colour why not make new gold and silver coloured notes printed with ink that actually has gold and silver mixed in, only a tiny amount would be necessary, however, it could be rightfully declared that the currency was truly backed by gold and silver.
Now here's the bit you are gunna love: rather than have the faces of stuffy old dead presidents on the notes why not have the bodies of famous icons.
For example rather than have a drab green $50 General Grant you could have a busty $50 golden Marilyn. Rather than a $100 Ben Franklin I reckon a beautiful silver $100 Betty Page would far more desirable.
In fact I predict that such a currency would be in high demand, as such it would be advisable to issue as many denominations as possible i.e. $3, $4, $6, $7, $8, $9 and all the way up to a 1 trillion dollar note. They will be collectors items. The customers will want more of this sexy sound currency for sure and no doubt will work hard to get it.
B.O. please feel free to borrow this idea as I'm sure it will solve all of your financial problems, and if such a plan doesn't (financially) succeed then all is not lost - we could use our sexy currency to perv at while jerking off, which is about what we've been doing anyway, except it hasn't been fun.
Yours truly
Winnifred Wombat
PS. Don't forget to include Audrey H. - but I'd prefer her not to be naked.
PPS. Michelle, please don't get upset about the above sexist currency - don't forget there is two sides to a bank note - yin and yang. Enjoy.
PPPS. OK OK OK I suppose we'll have to have a cheerful set of notes as well to cater for all of our society.
yin hang
If I was holding US fiat/paper I'd seriously be thinking of trading (some) of it for shiny stuff. Now would be a good time to think about eliminating the counter party, just in case (of the inevitable). If you bought gold this time last year you'd be smiling, if you bought silver, you'd be giggling your tits off.
Literally translated the mandarin word for bank, yin hang, means "silver house".
Thanks to Mr Bernanke precious metals are in demand (especially in Asia), for a very good reason.
Gold standard
Justin Obodie, while Mr Bernanke probably deserves some blame, I must say that I simply adore the rather persuasive portrayal of his predecessor, Alan Greenspan, as an Ayn Rand warrior - and hence as the more reprehensible guilty party.
Now, I wonder what Paul Morrella's take will be on this subject?
The stuff of text books
Poor old Alan Greenspan, wise old fart that he isn't. Yep you are correct Dr Reynolds he carries much blame. Unfortunately or fortunately I don't know much about Ayn Rand, except she got a lucky break and wrote stuff that both inspired and repelled readers.
The individul and all that, the free market and all that. It all sounds good and there is much to take note of but at the end of the day one finds it difficult to except that if the markets were left to their own devices then all would be rosy.
Libertarians believe that, and in theory it sort of makes sense, but when you consider the theory in relation to reality and human psychology this old wombat suspects that Libertarians are a little bit naive. Not all of us are lucky and not all of us have the good fortune to create opportunites. Anyway I digress.
At the end of the day is it not leadership that should take it on the chin for this current financial debacle, after all we all know where the buck stops?
The current US President has proved that beyond a doubt he is a fraud fullstop, who has thrown his lot in with his financiers. Good luck to him, he broke his promises but he won't get JFK'd.
And there's the rub for JFK could be accused of much, but he was nobody's fool when it came to the military and banks. He was the last President to stand up to both knowing full well that the military was run by a bunch of stupid pricks and the banks by a bunch or corrupt greedy bastards like his dad.
Some time ago I read a short piece by a women who watched her parents reaction to the news of Kennedy's demise. She claimed her parents (and friends) popped champagne and partied for a week. She was the daughter of an "elite" banking family.
Executive Order 11110:
This was not lost on the current POTUS.
Sit back folks, stock up on munchies and watch this tragedy play out - sadly I won't be around to read the historical reviews in decades to come, but you can be sure that this current stupidity will be the stuff of text books.
All you need to know
Justin, In my naif youth I was much taken by Ayn Rand although instinctively I realised something was missing. Easy to read narrative style but this was in the context of my upbringing. Weaned on diet of Boy's Own yarns of macho crap I was quite accepting of the idea of rape as a means of courtship, (orang utans favoured method btw). That was in Fountainhead.
Essentially her credo was "Absolutism"; read simplistic shit and I'm staggered to find out recently it still has considerable currency.
Now John, I hope you've been following the links so kindly provided by Justin and Fiona so you don't have to rely on my dubious wisdom with regard to the nature of money and please read Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. Not all of it, it's a bit like Communist Party Manifesto or Mein Kampf. Wears you down after a while but just enough to get the drift.
Take note Paul.
Open Letter To Ron Paul
Gold is no more real than paper
I submit to you that gold is just as much a fiat currency as paper money. It has essentially no inherent value except as an agreed means of exchange. While it may be true that (some) people are prepared to exchange real (paper) money for gold items as jewellery, it would be cheap as chips to do that if all the gold in the world were available for that purpose instead of being artificially locked away from the market alongside the (equally real) treasury bonds in government reserves.
The only non-fiat currency would be something valued highly for its actual usefulness: James Blish's Cities in Flight stories from the 50s/60s suggested that the ultimate non-fiat currency would be life-prolonging drugs - with people then having to decide how much life they'd be prepared to swap for other goodies.
The predictability of uncommon cents
David I agree, besides it's logical, sort of. Gold is bloody useless in reality. Yes it makes lovely jewelery however homo sapien's historical attachment to gold cannot be denied. Gold has a long history, silver longer. Owning gold has also many disadvantages such as security and storage costs, unless of course you own paper gold (which is only paper), and you can't make gold work for you like paper money, all you can do is look at it.
Until recently I would have laughed at anyone who thought that PM's would be a sensible investment, hey you can't do anything with them, they won't work for you.
Any gains one could realise from PMs are in reality a result of psychological factors connected to economic insecurity/fear, and at this point in time there is much of that, which is reflected in the price of these traditionally accepted forms of exchange - no different to paper as you say. But when all the empirical data suggests that both gold and silver have endured since before biblical times then one would have to accept that old saying: the trend is your friend.
David, surely you must have learnt by now that the psychology of the masses has nothing to do with logic or common sense, rather fear. And when fear next infects the collective financial heart and soul of homo sapiens they will probably do what they traditionally do: seek a (collective and traditionally psychological) safe haven, but next time US paper will probably be excluded, for the simple reason the aforementioned fear will probably result from the universal realisation of its worthlessness.
As such I hold the opinion that any one holding US paper would be far better off converting a substantial amount of it to gold, even better silver - for silver is both a precious metal and an in demand industrial metal that is used to make wonderful things.
I've read that each cruise missile contains approx.15kg of silver in wiring, contacts, solder and batteries. Just recently, apparently over 1.6 tonnes of the stuff was wasted in Libya in one day alone. Well done lads, and what has been achieved?
One of the biggest mistakes an individual can make is to attempt to interpret the behaviour of humanity at large in terms of one's own (isolated) sense of logic and reason. Homo sapiens en masse are rarely reasonable or logical - but they are in many ways predictable.
Right now I'm lookin at an old one dollar note and a 50c coin minted at the same time, 1966. The note is totally worthless while the coin can be traded for around $14. It doesn't make sense to me but that's they way it is, and that's the way it will continue to be for a long time yet.
When homo sapiens en masse start behaving logically then that will be the time to sell all your gold and silver, until then it will continue to be easy to profit from the fear and insecurity of others - it makes no sense at all, but either does anything else these days.
And drugs to prolong one's life - we already have that, it's called scotch, a bloody good preservative. Shit I'm nearly 60 years old, but most people reckon I only look 59.5 - so there ya go.
Homo sapiens: ever since they learnt how to think the concept of eternal life has, for some strange reason, become an obsession which permeates most cultures. Will human life ever be able to outlive the sun, our universe?
Life is finite, let's do it with dignity and grace.
Away with the pixies
"the ultimate non-fiat currency would be life-prolonging drugs" Just exactly how would that work given that the hypothetical drugs would be mass produced? You don't get it David.
For starters, gold has extremely valuable industrial uses, a tonne of old mobile phones for instance has more gold than the same amount of ore. Whether or not it's worth $1300 an ounce is something else but the flight of "money" into gold is a reflection of uncertainty about individual countries weighted currencies.
The half-smartarse Paul Keating's level playing field never existed and won't anytime soon.
It's all about terms of trade and disparity of debt. I'm tired of trying to explain it. Work it out for yourself.
The only non flat currency would be international based on trade weighted indicies.
it's germanium to the subject
A little careful reading of my comment Scott, would have led to you spotting that it wasn't my idea. Actually Blish has germanium-backed currency for the first thousand years of starflight, but I guess any rare earth with real uses would do.
We do, of course, have a currency similar to your last para - the SDR, which is the denomination of all IMF & World Bank balances and loans. And not only governments can use it - you too can buy bonds denominated in SDRs, should you wish to.
Careful reading
I did David, three times to be sure I had the right handle on it. Not your idea I know but why float it?
Thanks for the SDR thing but no thanks. For starters I don't know what the IMF is and with the major currency pegged it's not going to work is it? "World Banks"? What are they.
You didn't care to address my other points but that's alright.
All opinions welcome - but ...
Really trying hard not to be snide here (but failing).
If you have no idea how the current global financial system works - or indeed doesn't work - how on earth can you expect us to be interested in your views on how to reform it?
In the unlikely event that it helps, here's some primers on the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and Special Drawing Rights (SDR).
(Sigh)
No, no David , you weren't being snide at all. There's a low art to being snide and I don't think you've quite mastered it.
I'm quite capable of "Google"ing this stuff for myself without your gratuitous links that tell me nothing.. What vested interests are involved? Where's the money coming from? If you can be bothered to answer these questions you're still missing the point. It's all about economics and you still haven't addressed the points I made.
If I ever feel patronisation to be neccessary or appropriate I will do it. I'm far more capable than you.
Does it matter?
David, economics is not a science - it is all about opinion. As far as I can see it is very hard to get two economists to agree on anything.
So institutions set up by economists are just human belief systems - very much like religions - and most will fail eventually.
Economic systems are mostly about markets and markets are effected by human behavior. Human behaviour is not so well understood and the study of human behaviour is also not science - again it's mostly opinion.
If we accept that we do not fully understand the human mind, we must also accept that we do not fully understand economics.
In the end does it matter which camp you happen to be in?
Most of the working class at at the mercy of the whims of politicians who have not the faintest idea what they are doing.
So as long as workers have jobs that is about as good as it gets for the average worker.
So for me it comes down to this - either the private sector employs or the public sector employs. The preferred option is that the private sector employs but if in times of crisis the private sector fails to employ then the public sector should step in. (Print or borrow money)
When the private sector begins to employ then the public should reduce its presence in the market and start to collect taxes to pay off debt.
Simple but true.
Science the red herring
John, economics is classed as a social science, which, because of its inherent nature (e.g. very hard to do double blind studies) often relies more on logic and reasoning rather than empirical evidence, as the physical sciences do. Much of climate science also relies on logic and reasoning.
Interesting that the argument turned to economics. As far as I can make out, Prof. Fekete's letter, which started this thread, is about law, not economics. David's original response was a red herring.
Smart choice, dumb customer
Paul mate, don't you think such a provision is out of the question, all things considered.
The greedy bastards have captured the US government, lock stock and barrel. As I mentioned before, this aint a cyclical thing, it's a secular thing.
The fat lady is singing loud and clear, and the proposed budget cuts (targetted at the working poor) will do little to change the fact that the yanks will never be able to repay their creditors.
Default is inevitable, but the nature of the default is yet to be determined.
Personally, in this case, I would like to see the Austrian theory put to the test: let those inefficient, bankrupt and corrupt corporations go bust - especially the financial services ones, we don't need them.
Sooner or later (probably sooner) our current financial paradigm is going fall to apart (anybody paying attention knows this), hopefully what is rebuilt from the ashes will be underpinned by a true economy based on producing real things that we need, that help us survive and will educate us. This is the stuff that we need, along with sound money management (and creation).
What we don't need is a complex financial system that nobody understands, and that operates in a virtual world of its own. Sadly the financial services industry has subordinated everybody and everything else. The reverse should be true, money should be a catalyst, not the thing in itself. Money should be the people's servant, not their master.
Today we face many problems, the financial thing is only part of the problem, the real problem is psychological, as the people at large have no idea what really goes on in the financial services industry, as such they become easy prey, without even knowing it - (think superannuation).
Hey, even the good Christian Peter Jensen lost many millions to "investments" he didn't even understand.
You see, it's a bit like that Pura milk advert on TV, you know the one where the guy walks into a corner shop and asks for milk. The frump behind the counter asks him what sort of milk he would like and rattles of a whole list (what the fuck is extra dollup?). The customer has no idea, as such the frump makes the choice for him, the "smart choice" and everybody is happy.
Smart choice, dumb customer.
The financial services industry preys on the ill informed: by creating a whole heap of products that ordinary people (and many not so ordinary) could never really understand, then investors too often surrender their decision making to the "experts" - in the same way the customer surrendered his choice of milk to a stranger.
There were many Peter Jensens who bought CDOs and didn't have a clue what they were getting into. Hey, but they were rated AAA.
The whole financial system has been rogered well and truly by the greedy bastards, and it aint gunna recover until the whole financial services industry is restructured equitably (and comprehensively) and plays handmaiden to real production and services.
That's how it was always intended, sort of.
Anyway I would rather live in a world where understanding money is a catholic thing, rather than an esoteric thing where only the very clever, cunning and corrupt can win.
Hey, wombat
We've been talking about this shit for years Justin. The financial world is an alternative reality with its own arcane language. The words used are English (or Finglish) but you can't make any sense out of them.
So true Scott
So true me old albatross, it's circles and figure eights, froth and bubbles, fairy floss and bullshit, we do go around and around again.
Nothing left to do but glide about and wait for it all to hit the fan.
It aint over until the fat lady sings
John Pratt: "Either way the US is going to face increasing unemployment."
Not necessarily.
A recession is really nothing more than a correction. A depression a much larger correction. All that booms must eventually bust. Actually, economically speaking it's healthy, not nice, but healthy.
The trap you're falling in is the same trap the Fed is in. You think all things can be solved with "paper" (money) - printed and spent it makes no difference. Unfortunately the paper itself isn't worth any more than paper. It's the value placed in the representation of the particular paper.
The American economy is going through a massive restructure bout. It's in training so to speak, and it's becoming leaner and meaner - as training happens to make somebody. Eventually, this training will begin to pay dividends.
My tip is that in five to ten years time, the USA economy will be much stronger than the Australian economy. The provision being that sensible economic strategies are followed. Cutting the budget deficit would be one such sensible strategy.
I'll paraphrase the words of boxing legend and champion Marvin Hagler: It's hard to go for that five o'clock run when you're waking up in silk sheets. Doing it tough has a habit of making you tough.
For the US the end is nigh
With the US debt above $14 trillion and the Republicans refusing to pass money bills, something must give - increase taxes or start cutting the size of the public service.
Either way the US is going to face increasing unemployment.
The future for the global economy look very grim.
"Democracy" in the US
This video is worth a watch, that's if you have about two hours to spare.
Lifting the veil on democracy
Poor old America is ending up just like Russia.
rancid
Speaking of Al Capone, caught a dubbed doco on SBS from Italy about how Berlusconi and co blew ten billion Euros destined for the repair of the earthquake town of Aquila, through a quango that went be some virtuous name that belied its actual function (as to the intentions of Berlusconi and the mafia)
Ok, not high economics.
But in a way, I felt it served as an analogy of what's being discussed here. Certainly a very large and dead albatross hung from the beleagured necks of the Aquilans.
Ireland heading to a sovereign debt crisis.
More governments are borrowing to avoid bank failures, pushing each of them closer to a sovereign debt crisis.
It seems to me that if you spent the money creating jobs it would have a better result than throwing good money after bad.
If governments are going to borrow they should at least invest in real assets and create jobs for the millions of unemployed.
Do we still hope for a recovery?
The US and the world are still still hoping for a recovery. We need to understand that there probably will be no recovery.
The financial system is broke.
China has a housing bubble.
Ricardo's Law
The Great Tax Clawback Scam
Scams
Not quite convinced about a land tax being a principal answer.
Am quite annoyed, however, by the loopholes created by family trusts and overseas residents being able to get away with much lower taxes on Australian income.
Business over people
Consider the flood levy, in which people are being taxed, but not businesses. The whole system if biased in so many ways to favour businesses over people - and people includes wage earners and small businesses who can't afford the experts and tax structures to reduce their taxes.
Ooooh...
... putting a Claude among the albatrosses, iJustin?
Hits and Myths
Scott Dunmore: "The problem isn't money, it's the nature of the smart-arses and slack governance. So called "wealth creation" a la hedge funds and the like is exactly the opposite. It is the garnering of wealth at others expense: in other words, parasitic. People who've never done a productive days work in their lives have the best lifestyle."
Statements such as the above are unhelpful and driven by media myth.
The fund industry is the most diverse industry in the world, it also attracts the most diverse people. I could give multiple examples to prove my statement.
The biggest myth of all is that nobody, not one person, in the industry saw the meltdown coming. Or if some people did they conspired to hide the fact. It's a complete fiction driven by profit making hypocrites such as Mikey Moore.
For every position taken in a financial market, somebody, somewhere, is holding the opposite. That's actually the reason for origin of the word "hedge" in the fund (many so called hedge funds aren't hedging at all).
An example: During the recent housing meltdown one small fund manager was holding a mass of credit default swaps (he was banking on what happened would happen). It eventually netted him three billion for the year. A tidy sum in any mans language. My point is that somebody, somewhere, did indeed see a meltdown coming, and there wasn't any "secret" about it.
The doom mongers on here should pull their money and place it in a fund short on everything. When the "certain" apocalypse eventuates they could then proceed to fund the "feeding the world".
A taxing puzzle
John Pratt: "I suggest we may have to put a wealth tax on anyone with say over a million dollars worth of bandwidth in the bank."
I suggest that any person with over a million in an Australian domiciled bank is an idiot. Why in Gods name would anyone pay the current excessive taxes (very legally avoidable)? See an international tax adviser and don't pass go!
If you want people spending, why are you calling for broad taxation increases? That's the thing I just don't get. Far from picking you out, I also understand the same logic is a widely held one. As I've written, I just don't get it.
In very simple terms, governments collect money from tax. To collect tax one needs "others" making a profit or spending. Discouraging business through excessive taxes will decrease the overall tax take. That's simple mathematics.
Tax and spend for the hell of it is called churn - ultimately a futile project. Did you ever play pass the parcel as a child?
Governments need business making profits, that's how governments make profits called tax. Sure, government could take charge of all business and return all profit to "the people". This particular noble idea worked a treat in the now defunct Soviet Union.
I was recently in Asia and I heard a European stock analyst caution against the currently red hot Australian economy. He summed it up the Australian business environment as two international miners, a couple of banks and a supermarket (poetic licence).
The Australian company tax take tells a tale. A cooling in commodity prices or volumes will be problematic.
Large sums come from a very limited source. That's not a good thing moving forward.
Basically the above means Australia has a limited business environment, with a small number of large entrenched players. The government revenue stream is very reliant on those limited players. Ultimately it means whatever taxes are placed on these businesses, the Australian consumer will pay as the end user.
I think the smart solution would be rather than try and collect large amounts from small pool, why not encourage activity and collect smaller amounts from large pool? Why not encourage a business environment?
Australia isn't an island in its current backward thinking (it's nowhere near the worse offender), however it's not anywhere near world's best practice either.
Public sector spending or double dip recession?
Alexei Bayer, a New York based economist.
Yet another economist who thinks that if we stop public sector spending we are in for a double dip recession.
It is no time for a tea party.
Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
Matt Taibbi - Rollng Stone
Madoff: Government a ponzi scheme.
So, by the above reckoning the dominant global financial system is a Ponzi scheme run by criminals.
QED
Fiona: Exactly, Justin. Those who know where the bodies are buried are always safe ... but given that they are the (amoral) offspring of the Robber Barons and Al Capone, what else could one expect?
Ponzi schemes
The problem with modern capitalist economics is that it sells a Ponzi scheme. If people spend up, the more they earn as the money comes back to them.
According to Accounting 101, there are two critical financial statements, the balance sheet and a profit and loss account. Governments, of course, don't comply with Accounting 101, and it is very hard to see whether a country is actually developing, or putting on a show while selling the furniture (minerals in our case).
There are good years and bad years, years when we can save for a rainy day and years with rainy days (cyclones in our case).
The real question is how wisely we use our money. Do we invest in assets that deliver solid investments, or do we fritter it away on upgrading it to the latest iphone?
Globatisation
To the specific topic, I'm like the others, I wish the politians, economists, and bankers would grow out of economic rationalism.
Interesting to catch a brief excepts from an ABC show today about the Chinese about to liberalise their currency policies a move toward integration.
Moodys and so on were discredited in 2007 and it is a testament to the stubborn unimaginativeness of economic mandarins that they cling to the enforcement of these Bs ratings at the three levels of government. But of course the politicians love them too, it gives them excuse to wangle out of taking responsibility for bounties promised earlier.
Why do we need growth
It has me in mind of a question Jay Somasundaram once put to me, about whether we need growth.
What we need is personal growth and economic growth provides an opportunity for that. Thinking personally, i was born in Australia and of a generation brought up with and to great things, universal nutrition, health, education and the like. But I cringe at the wastage.
And I wonder why we've got hooked on growth and its material diversions, for its/ their own sake and maybe losing touch a bit with the common person's life and life itself.
America's forgotten millions
This is an extract of an opinion piece by Paul Krugman in the New York Times.
Today's headlines in the Cairns Post is unemployment now at 13% and rising. Yes its more proof of the two speed economy.
People are more important than deficits: destroy the hopes of millions and you end up with streets of blood. Look at what is happening in the Middle East.
Money makes the world go around
Scott, sorry you are getting weary. But let's try to use a bit of logic here.
Money is what makes the world go around, I think we can all agree on that.
If no money is being spent there is no work for those of us that are forced to work for a living. The world stops spinning.
Governments can print money.
People love to spend money.
Companies love to make profit
All good so far.
If people have no money and are scared to borrow because of falling asset prices, there is no way people will kick start the economy.
If companies have high debt levels and no cash flow because of the GFC or similar economic disaster companies will pay off debt before they invest money, so we can not rely on the private sector to kick start the economy.
This leaves us with the government, the only people that can print money.
The government prints money builds infrastructure people are employed (instead of being on the dole).
Companies eventually pay off there debt look for ways to invest and eventually have more money than the government.
The government can stop printing money and start collecting tax.
And yes the world begins to spin.
Money and Wealth
John, one might get the impression that money is wealth - all we have to do is print the stuff, the world turns, and people prosper.
On the surface one could be led to believe that is the case, but it's not that simple.
You see, the world is at present saturated with money, so why aren't we all wealthy, why is unemployment rising, why are over 40 million Yanks on food stamps, why are people rioting over food prices and lack jobs?
What is happening to all that freshly printed money?
It won't be long before the arse falls out of the global financial complex, and when it does, all the money printing in the world won't be worth a tinkers dam.
Ah, democratic capitalism: it was a good ride while it lasted (for some).