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Claude's Election Dairy 2010 Day Sumthig or Arfur

Amazing the way time passes up here. Oooh, another pidgeon – yummy. Seems like this election has been going for only a couple of minutes or is it a couple of decades? Better not mention couples at the moment.

Well, Fat and Rude has finally done it:

MALCOLM BRUCE DUNCAN

INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE FOR WENTWORTH

MEDIA RELEASE

Topic: Nomination

Well-known Kings Cross Barrister, Malcolm Duncan, today announced that his nomination as an Independent Candidate for the Seat of Wentworth had been accepted by the Australian Electoral Commission. In thanking those who nominated him thus forcing him to pay $500 of his own money to stand, Mr Duncan said: “So far this would have to be the most boring election campaign in Australian Federal history. Watching paint dry is more fun than listening to the Redhead or Big Ears.”

“Given that my only opponents seem to come from the major parties or the (eek) Greens who voted against an ETS, together with some latter-day theosophist, the debate seemed, until my candidature, likely to be hamstrung between someone who can’t say anything because he’s already been knifed in the back and someone who will be knifed in the back if he does say anything. I thought we could hot things up a bit. Try these for starters:

  • A request to the Redhead and Big ears to explain why our brave young troops have to keep dying and being maimed for a cause in which we have no strategic or tactical interest followed by the Immediate implementation of a safe phased withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Middle East
  • The phasing out of the coal industry and its replacement by renewables over the next ten years (for details see my election website on Monday) this is a fully costed programme
  • Onshore processing of Asylum seekers while they provide the labour to build the renewable infrastructure (that’s how we built the Snowy Scheme folks)
  • No cat to be strangled ever again in Wentworth

We shall get onto same-sex relationships, education, welfare, health and the economy (including tax) in due course,” he announced.

CONTACTS:

Election email: duncanmalcolmb@gmail.com

http://www.malcolmduncanindependentcandidate.com/

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ropes and trees

Into the final straight the polls still give it to labor, but only by a short  nose. The latest polls show 51/49 and 52/48, respectively and too many marginals so close no one dares call them.

A hung parliament?

In many politicians' cases, if only...

Populate and Perish

From the population policy of the Brownish Greens:

  1. population policy should not be driven by economic goals or to counter the effects of an ageing population.
  2. an Australian population policy must consider the geographical distribution of human settlements rather than just concentrate upon population size at the national level.
  3. Australia has an obligation to accept humanitarian migration including that resulting from climate change.

Point 6: sanity at last.  7: scary---will I need a visa to drive out of Adelaide?  8: don't like, but recognise its moral superiority to my own inclinations (We should never have got here).

Back at the ranch

Meanwhile, that paragon of Liberal ex-leaders, Andrew Peacock, exhibited his kinder, gentler side (at the launch of Josh Frydenberg's campaign for Kooyong) to great effect:

A blind Labor candidate says he is “stunned and insulted” by a jibe about disabled people made by former Liberal leader Andrew Peacock in his former electorate today.

“You’d need to be pretty handicapped not to appreciate that this [Labor] government is dissolving before your eyes daily,” Mr Peacock told ABC 24 after joining the campaign in his old electorate of Kooyong in Victoria this morning.

The comments were jumped on by Labor, whose candidate for Kooyong is Steve Hurd, a local barrister who was born with a severe visual impairment and is legally blind.

Ffoot in mouth

Only you, Fiona, could realise what manna, that comment is to me...(nuff said?)

The media we deserve

This excerpt – written, apparently, by one of your rellies, Claude – is from one of the best analyses of the behaviour of the media in this election that I have yet read:

Can anyone tell me what this appalling crap is all about? Has journalism become a matter of goading someone until they lose their temper or burst into tears? Exactly when did loss of control or bodily containment become the stuff that “news” is made of? Did any of them even realise that there were policy announcements being made? Is this the kind of scrum that produces the kind of rubbish we’re getting in the papers and on the news? Do journalists really think that public life is a soap opera in which the only thing that matters is emotion, personalities and gossip? How much of this is being driven by the Rupert Murdochs of the world? Can you really blame the obviously extreme youth and inexperience of some of these journalists when Kerry O’Brien is doing more or less the same thing every night on The 7.30 Report? Now that journalism is something you need a university degree for, what on earth are they spending those four years teaching them? And is the Australian public really only getting the media it deserves?

Read the rest here.

PS: How is Malcolm B Duncan's campaign, going, Claude. Or would that be telling?

Our furry friend

Our furry friend over at  LP can be quite ferocious, when provoked.

Marilyn Shepherd on steroids.

Ah, that explains it....

So that's why you are playing in this nice safe sandpit today, Paul Walter.

By the way, did you mean "Ffoot" or "ffoot"? Happy to amend if needed.

Media Labor pains

Fiona Reynolds, Watching Kerry O'Brien interviewing Gillard you could see the frustration on his face as she dodged question after question and prattled on with the same rubbish she has been spouting since she became PM.

Is it any wonder journalists try to goad the politicians into saying something they don't want to.

Rupert Murdoch is very successful at running newspapers and made a nice profit for his shareholders this year, all done despite the fact yourself, Father Park and all Labor supporters apparentley don't read his papers.

Malcom B Duncan's campaign should be going well, the Labor candidate running against him (Steven Lewis) has not got the guts to put the Labor logo on his posters.

Clots, clowns and confusion

The opposition's shadow treasurer, affable Joe, declared in terms admitting of no debate, that:

  • We will roll out the paid parental leave scheme as it stands - "absolute guarantee" - including the "temporary tax" to pay for it
  • Confirmed that the opposition has announced $25.7bn of spending promises

This after Abbott announced this morning that the opposition's total promised spending was under $18bn. Abbott also stated "we will get back to surplus in 2012/13, and it will be a bigger surplus than the one that the Labor party is promising".

So, we have a great big "temporary" tax to fund paid parental leave - introduced in 2012/13 - just as the budget is in "a bigger surplus than the Labor one". Abbott has explained that the "temporary tax" will be wound back and removed once the budget is in surplus. Which is at the very same time. Go figure...

Hockey categorically states spending is $25.7bn and his leader - on the same day - states it is under $18bn. Abbott,  when asked to clarify that the figure was all the opposition was spending, replied "yes, that's correct".

The contradictions continue apace.

Clots, clowns and confusion.

Father Park

More contradictions and lies

 Michael Park ,  How does Labor come up with these stunts such as Cash for Clunkers (copied from the USA where it was a failure).

A $20 million study into High Speed Rail, more money for consultants and Labor Mates, but actual trains this century.

Labor will help train 270 doctors if it wins the next federal election.

However today we learn NSW medical students are demanding the federal government stop increasing university places after more than 100 graduates failed to get internships in public hospitals this week.

The crisis comes three years after the government increased university places to solve the state's crippling shortage of doctors, but failed to employ extra staff in NSW hospital to supervise interns.

Under a Labor plan to address teacher shortages

Accountants, laboratory technicians and engineers would be parachuted into classrooms after just eight weeks of basic training, 8 weeks of training, they couldn't be trained to serve behind the counter at McDonalds in that time.

Not only is the proposal very similar to schemes which have operated and failed in the US, but the Gillard government will have to be elected twice before any teacher sees a dollar of extra pay.

The NSW Teachers Federation president, Bob Lipscombe, said the bonus pay scheme for 10 per cent of teachers would ''set teacher against teacher'' to compete for one-off bonus payments of up to $8100 from 2013.
I doubt whether Labor has consulted the Teachers Uninions about this hairbrained scheme.

Just what the Public School System needs, more third rate teachers who would not be employable in the Private System

Gillard has announced a scheme which is little more than a gimmick,

Cash for clunkers was a successful program

Hi Alan, as usual you never let the truth get in the way of your opinion.

The CARS program came to a close Tuesday night with nearly 700,000 clunkers taken off the roads, replaced by far more fuel efficient vehicles. Rebate applications worth $2.877 billion were submitted by the 8 p.m. deadline, under the $3 billion provided by Congress to run the program.

Cars made in America topped the most-purchased list, from the Ford Focus to the Toyota Corolla to the Honda Civic.

"American consumers and workers were the clear winnersthanks to the cash for clunkers program," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. "Manufacturing plants have added shifts and recalled workers. Moribund showrooms were brought back to life and consumers bought fuel efficient cars that will save them money and improve the environment."

Negative questions Alan; always with the negative questions...

Michael Park , How does Labor come up with...

Questions, questions Alan. Always with the questions. Don't hit me with those negative questions so early in the evening, Alan

I'd possibly play the game and answer but I suspect if I came up with any observation unfriendly to the Coalition you'd raise disinterest as a poor, mealy-mouthed and singularly ungracious cop-out…

Oh, I forgot, you already have. Go find someone else to play "I'm not interested."

Meanwhile, Monday's 7:30 Report viewers were treated to a few "swinging voters". One fellow bemoaned that Kevin 07 had been skewered by the ALP: "It was our choice and they took it away from us". He's just been apprised of a rude fact: we vote for local members and, in this system, elect a party that can change leader whenever it so feels. One doesn't elect a PM.

The second bloke, whizzing up Hawksbury in his boat, bemoaned his state:

The lifestyle's good. I do – as I said, I do enjoy it. Just the cost of everything – cost of living and that is really starting to become a burden, especially on young couples like ourselves, just the cost of everything is just really gettin' out of hand, so – which is making life not as good as it could be, I s'pose.

All this whilst whizzing upstream in his boat...

They really haven't done all that much for us over the last few years. Nothing really has changed. Yeah, they did do a bit with the stimulus package and all that to try and get us going, but, at the end of the day, we're in no real better shape than what we were, what?, two years ago.

And the boat whizzed on. Perhaps he should sell the boat?

These people decide elections? No wonder Howard plied them with as much bullion as possible each and every election. This bloke's pining for a Blackwatch, methinks.

Father Park

A positive question.

Michael Park , When the unemployment figures came out Gillard and Swan were congratulating themselves on 25,000 part-time jobs that showed up.

They never mentioned the total number of unemployed people aged 15-19 rose to 152,000 in July, seasonally adjusted, from 145,000 in June, the most since July 2001, according to data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics out today. The youth unemployment rate, meanwhile, has risen to 18 per cent, the highest since October 2001.

It is strange that the ACTU did not say anything either, I wonder if they saw the figures.

I also wonder whether these kids (or as Gillard likes to call them (Our Australian Youth") will get jobs building the proposed Sydney rail link.

nonsenses by the bucket!

Alan Curran: "...ACTU did not say anything..." on slightly increasing unemployment figures.

Maybe that's because we don't have double digit unemployment, like other countries?

You mean bucket of s**t

Paul Walter, ..." on slightly increasing unemployment figures. oh I suppose thats alright as long as you are not part of the slightly increasing lot.

M/s Gillard never mentioned the 20% youth unemployment figures, the worst since 2001, on her sweep through Sydney's western suburbs.

How fucking pathetic....

The Prime Minister warns tonight that "if the polls are correct" we'll wake with with Tony Abbott as Prime Minister.  Worse, we'll have the resurrection of WorkChoices.

Right.... Certainly in a second term; not in the first. Spare us.

Tony Abbott, not to be outdone in the flagrantly stupid stakes, trumps this with his "average" of boats not exactly "stopped":

If I can achieve three boats a year ... I think the Australian public would have every reason to be grateful to the new government.

"I will stop the boats. This is our Action Contract!!"  Apparently we will choose which boats we stop and how they are stopped... or not. Perhaps, like WorkChoices, the "boats" can be "averaged" over any term that equates to three??

They do believe we are dickheads. 

Father Park

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 Michael Park , I would have thought that anyone would understand that Gillards latest education announcement, teacher training in 8 weeks, was another fake. Even the Teachers Unions could work that out.

Teacher shortages

Australia's teacher and nursing shortages are not due to insufficient graduates. It's due to burn out. Poorly performing schools are not caused by low quality teachers, it's about low quality students.

In any event, twenty first century education is not about teachers and classrooms. It's about lifelong learning and immersive on-line environments. It's about mentoring and coaching within families and workplaces. It's about mental health and life skills.

The Einstein factor

Since you obviously don't know how things work Alan let me explain.

If all it it took was intelligence to make money, Einstein would have been the richest man in the world in his day. He used his salary cheques from Princeton as bookmarks. That Murdoch makes a lot of money from various media interests does not make it good except from a very narrow perspective.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the (American) public"  H. L. Mencken, my parenthesis.

You see Alan, it's all about aiming for the lowest common denominator which accounts for the crap from which we have to choose for entertainment and "news" . One of the early rap "songs" had a line, "53 channels, aint nuthin on", It struck a resonance with me. Anyway, continue to enjoy The Australian.

Michael Park, shame on you! You should know better by now.

Envy factor

Scott Dunmore , Please explain why you watch the crap on Murdochs media, is it because you are amongst the lowest common denominator. Surely you are capable of switching the channel, I know it takes a certain ammount of intelligence but give it a go you never know.

It must be terrible for you when you cannot find a newspaper who is kind to that rabble called the Labor Party.

The rich man in his mansion...

Yes, Alan Curran, this "politics of envy".

The wealthy have such a problem with the fact that (some) ordinary people are not even more miserable than they are, so Abbott seeks to introduce "austerity" in order to claw further money back for the next round of casino capitalism, redistributed to the big end of town.

But how is it, that the rich, for all their trinkets, still have such a sense of pique that anyone apart from themselves should not feel miserable?

Guilty conscience, as to theft, methinks.

I don't

End of conversation. I hope you took something from it.

Most rorts is catholic schools

Chris Pyne is quick to state the program has been a "massive rip off" yet it's clear he didn’t bother to read the report because if he had he would know that the opposite is what Mr Chris Pyne is quick to state the program has been a "massive rip off" yet it's clear he didn’t bother to read the report because if he had he would know that the opposite is what Mr Orgill actually said.

Mr Orgill debunked the myth that pre-fab buildings were not value for money in NSW because both catholic and state used them, they are often used in schools and distance often requires them.

He did not say that fees and charges were wildly blown out, he said a maximum of 5-6% premium in NSW was charged but NSW schools were 95% complete or on the way compared to Queensland and Victoria where only about 60% of projects were on schedule.

In South Australia the program is 95% with costings coming in on average for projects at $1.16 million for state government schools, $1.81 million for catholic schools ( remember the stories that the catholic schools were doing things much cheaper), $1.67 million for independent schools and only three complaints throughout the entire state.

In Queensland the story is Independent schools - $1.57 million, Catholic - $1.4 million, State - $1.14 million.

NSW - Independent $1.48 million, state and catholic about the same.

In WA catholic much more expensive.

Of course Pyne knows nothing about capital works programs because during his 12 years in government John Howard did not build anything other than refugee prisons at vast cost and waste - like the Xmas Island monstrosity that blew out from $120 million to $400 million in one year.

If Pyne wants to get serious about waste he could explain away the $3 billion wasted by Howard on locking up innocent people all over the Pacific, the billions wasted on two illegal invasions, the tanks and helicopters we did not need and cannot use, the $25 billion on "anti-terrorism" that has resulted on a few imprisonments for thought crimes and not one person so much as scratched by any "terrorist".

Pyne is a dill if he thinks he can make his claims fly when only 1.5% of all schools were worried about value for money, I suggest he actually reads the report and then gets back to us about the massive waste in the private schools sector.

What debacle?

Alan Curran: "... things that worry people more than the pink batts debacle ..."

Here's an interesting analysis for you from Possum Comitatus back in February:

Did the insulation program actually reduce fire risk?

Has the Garrett insulation scheme actually reduced the rate of installation caused fires? It’s a strange thing to say – well, it’s strange if you don’t think about it too hard. What we often forget is that Garrett’s insulation program dramatically increased standards in an industry where there were previously very few.

First off, some raw numbers. If we go fossicking over on the ABS site, we find some data about the numbers of buildings with insulation in Australia in 2008 – the year before the Garrett insulation program. We’ll use these numbers as our “before” data set.

61% of 5,218,000 dwellings – or 3,183,265 – had insulation in 2008 according to our favourite Bureau. According to Garrett’s department, there were also between 65,000 and 70,000 new installations done per year before the insulation program. Let’s split the difference and call it 67,500 installations.

We also know from Garrett’s department in the same letter than between 80 and 85 fires occurred every year because of insulation. That’s the numbers we need for the pre-Garrett program.

Moving on to the Garret program numbers, we know that during the program, 1.1 million installations were undertaken. So that’s our yearly installation rate and it pushes the number of houses currently with insulation up to 4.28 million homes.

We also know that 93 fires have been linked to the program.

There’s our “after numbers” we need to do the comparison.

With the 2008 figures on the numbers of fires, we don’t know how many of them were as a result of new installations and how many of them were caused by insulation that was already in the ceiling and may have been there for years. So what we need to do is differentiate between the fires caused by the insulation stock (the pre-existing insulation) and new installations.

To do this we’ll create three scenarios:

Scenario 1: 10% of fires were caused by existing insulation and 90% caused by new installations

Scenario 2: 50% of fires were caused by existing insulation and 50% caused by new installations

Senario 3: 90% of fires were caused by existing insulation and 10% caused by new installations

This gives us a range of all possible likely outcomes. If we measure the number of fires caused by new installs using these three scenarios for 2008, and for our known number of 93 for Garrett’s program, this is what we get.

fire3scenarios

From here, we can figure out how many fires there were per new installation in both 2008 (where there were 67,500 new installs) under it’s three scenarios, and with the Garrett program (where there was 1.1 million installs) – simply by dividing the number of installations undertaken by the number of fires attributable to new installations.

firerates3senarios

Under Scenario 1 where 90% of fires are attributable to new installations, 1 in 909 installs lead to fire. Under Scenario 2 it’s 1 in 1636 installs lead to fire while under Scenario 3 it’s 1 in 8182 installs.

Under the Garrett insulation program, the rate is 1 in 11,828 – a much smaller rate of fires than what existed before the program.

The Insulation Program Safety Multiple is simply the Garrett program rate divided by the 2008 rate – it shows how many times safer the Garrett program is compared to each of the three scenarios for 2008.

Interesting – that’s what the data says.

But I was forgetting: the connexion between the truth and what appears in the Murdoch Limited News blatts is often obscure, to put it mildly.

Just remind me, Alan: where did the Big Lie propaganda ploy come from?

That debacle

Fiona Reynolds, nice figures you have produced in defence of an incompetant Labor governement.

Now can you dig up some figures about how much it is going to cost to fix the debacle and how long that will take.

Any idea when the report on the BER will be out?

"Print the legend"

Alan Curran: “Any idea when the report on the BER will be out?“

It already is, Alan. Three months ago. Released by that highly politicised, government lackey the Auditor-General, Alan. Try reading it, not the lies from Limited News.

Another bit of prescribed reading is below, from Possum Comitatus following the release of the report in early May this year. I particularly recommend the final paragraph to your attention:

Considering the criminally flatulent quality of the reporting that went on with the Hawke report into the insulation program, or for that matter, the recent reporting of just about any serious piece of marginally complex evidence (The Minter Ellison Risk Register springs to mind!) – as the media reports roll in, feel free to vent spleen at any erroneous piffle you come across since we all have access to the actual audit report itself.

So far – The ABC gets it wrong (see comments) has replaced its original reporting with a far more accurate piece by Emma Rodgers.

Originally the ABC used the same nonsense that The Oz does to get it wrong.

The Oz goes:

While Ms Gillard and Kevin Rudd have spent months lauding the project for providing jobs for “tradies” the report suggests the jury is out on the success of the program.

“In particular arrangements established to monitor the effect of the BER program on employment have relied on data collected at the project level,” the report says.

“This data cannot be aggregated in a meaningful way to inform an assessment of progress against BER program employment outcomes that would complement the macroeconomic modelling for the broader National Building and Jobs Plan.”

Except that the report isn’t saying what they think it is saying.

The actual quote from the report The Oz is using comes from page 42.

A substantial majority of Education Authorities questioned the usefulness of some of the monitoring arrangements they were expected to undertake for the BER program. In particular, arrangements established to monitor the effect of the BER program on employment have relied on data collected at the project level. This data cannot be aggregated in any meaningful way to inform an assessment of progress against BER program employment outcomes that would complement the macroeconomic modelling for the broader Nation Building and Jobs Plan undertaken by the Treasury

Yet the report also says on page 23:

The responsibility for monitoring and reporting performance under the Nation Building and Jobs Plan is shared at the Commonwealth level by the Treasury, the Coordinator‐General and DEEWR. The Treasury has responsibility for modelling and reporting on the economic effect of the plan, as well as other stimulus measures.

What the ANAO found was that DEEWR data on the number of jobs created at the local level contains too much uncertainty for it to be aggregated up to the national level and be used as a substitute or even complement to Treasury analysis- a fact that DEEWR itself was always open about. From page 139:

DEEWR has informed the ANAO that the jobs data collected from Education Authorities and schools has limited application and is generally used to inform an understanding of jobs supported on a project‐by‐project basis. The department also advised that all measurement tools have limitations and that the objective of collecting project level data was to provide local communities with information about the jobs supported by individual projects at schools. These data complemented the macro‐level monitoring undertaken by the Treasury across the economic stimulus plan, but were never intended to be aggregated to provide a picture of jobs supported through BER P21. The inability to aggregate project level data means that it is not currently possible to accurately determine the effect of the BER program on employment.

That isnt saying “the jury is out” as The Oz alleges, for we know already from Treasury that the BER has created substantial jobs at the national level through increasing investment in construction. What is being said here is that we can’t accurately say exactly how many jobs were created from just the BER alone.

The final point in the audit report, 7.36 on page 168 sums it all up:

Overall, there are some positive early indicators that the program is making progress toward achieving its intended outcomes, despite the slower than expected implementation of the program. Lead economic indicators, including construction approvals, indicate that the introduction of BER P21 has contributed to a reversal in the decline in nonresidential construction activity that resulted from the global financial crisis. Education industry stakeholders, including peak bodies, Education Authorities and a substantial majority of school principals have also been positive about the improvement in primary school facilities that will result from the program.

swingin' in the breeze (twist, and shout, and all hang out)

Fiona Reynolds' comment reminds this writer of an incidental piece of news, The news that the ABC, thru Scott's pet hobgoblin, Tim Dalton, were able to censor out showing of a doco about Palestine - on the basis that they didn't have one to hand about Israel at the same time.

Labor's own fault.

They've had government for three years and Conroy has still not cleared out the Howardist deadwood on the board (Newman, for a start) and their mangement lackeys. Ten (fascist) executives for every journo - that ought to stop the truth getting out!

As to main topic, the election am tempted to subscribe to Father Park's assessment that Gillard lacks "killer".  Am a bit like Kathy Farrelly, very sceptical as to where it will end, regardless of who gets in.

Two weeks to go. Do you think we'll have any discussion on policies before the thing is done?

btw, Fiona, thanks for calibre of reply to Alan, re witchhunt.

Brad Orgill's report

Fiona Reynolds and Michael Park, the report I am talking about is the one that Ms Gillard promised will be out before the election, the report being compiled by Brad Orgill.

Ms Gillard said "As soon as we get it we will be making it public. It's due in August. There isn't a precise date. But (taskforce head) Brad Orgill has said he will deliver it in August and it will be made public before the election.''

Ms Gillard said she had yet to see the report. and did not say when she expected the report to be delivered.

Fiona Reynolds and  Michael Park, having seen the report I would have thought you would have passed it on to Gillard Mk.2 to boost her flagging election campaign.

Send it on, Alan

Fiona Reynolds and  Michael Park, having seen the report I would have thought you would have passed it on to Gillard Mk.2 to boost her flagging election campaign.

No Alan Curran, I have not; unsure about the editorial Fiona though. Perhaps though, having seen the report yourself, you might?

Father Park

Winners and losers

Had a few black beers tonight me old mate?

Have a few more, and a few glasses of shiraz to boot!

You're gonna need  'em!

No matter who wins this election, we are all losers, Mike.

All losers?

Dunno about that, Kathy. I can think of a few sandgropers who will be over the moon if the Abbott, the Bishops, and the Priest get in.

Gina, Twiggy, Archbishop Hickey....

Just remember - always look on the bright side of death. 

What's in a name?

Try reading for meaning, Alan Curran. The report to which I referred was that of the Auditor-General of Australia, and was released in early may this year.

FYI, the name of the Auditor-General is Ian McPhee.

Brad Orgill is the head of the BER Implementation Taskforce, the terms of reference for which are to:

investigate and/or review legitimate complaints and refer matters back to the State and Territory Education Authorities for action if required.

(My emphasis.)

Yes, Ms Gillard has said that the report will be released before the election. Still 17 days to go, so I guess that we will just have to wait.

Just the facts Ma'am

 Fiona Reynolds , I know Ian McPhee is the Auditor-General but what I really want to read is the report that Brad Orgill is going to put out.

I doubt that the report will be released before the election, the last thing M/s Gillard would want is the truth about the rorts and waste in the BER.

I also wonder why she is not telling the electorate what it is going to cost to fix the insulation debacle.

It did not take long for Australian Working Families to work out that Gillard is a dud and a fraud.

Where's Paul?

Can you explain Tony's "temporal inconsistency" Alan? Can you?

A big new tax ... sorry, levy ... will be introduced by Tony in 2013 to fund  a delayed Parental Leave Scheme. According to Tony, when pressed, this big new tax ... err, levy ... will be reduced and removed as the budget comes back into surplus. 

When asked when a Liberal Government would have the budget in surplus Tony dissembled and refused to answer. Rubbish such as "we don't know the debt that Labor might leave us" was trotted out. Elsewhere his shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, was proclaiming that the Coalition would restore the budget to a "real" surplus by 2013 as they'd promised in Tony's "Action Contract".

So, we have a big new tax introduced in 2013 to fund Paid Parental Leave. This tax will, on its introduction, be immediately reduced/removed due to the budget being in "real" surplus.

If Paul Keating were around, Alan Curran, Tony would be the proverbial "shiver looking for a spine to run up".

Meantime, you might explain to the rest of us just how that policy idiocy works?

Father Park

Why not Whitlam

Michael Park , If Paul Keating were around, Alan Curran, Tony would be the proverbial "shiver looking for a spine to run up".

Well Keating is not around he was bundled out by the people, the same way Gillard will be bundled out.

It shows you how desperate Labor is when you get Albanese trotting out the promise of a high speed rail link.

A high-speed rail link between Sydney and Newcastle was promised 12 years ago by the former premier Bob Carr in a glossy pre-election pamphlet titled Action For Transport 2010.

The railway was to have been delivered "in stages" from 2007 but, like most of the booklet's promises, it never materialised.

Yes I know it is only a $20mill study, but the way it is presented the idiots in  the key central coast Labor seats of Dobell and Robertson will think they are going to get a high speed train.

In NSW we have seen public transport studies come and go with little action under the Labor state government, and with State Labor being held in such high esteem by the electorate NSW is where Labor will lose seats at the election.

Meantime, you might explain to the rest of us just how Labor managed to make such a disaster with the insulation scheme or how they managed to waste so much money on the BER.

You might also explain to the rest of us just how Gillard is going with her East Timor plan or her plan to get rid of homelessness.

Now Father Park with Labor's history of lies and mismanagement how are the Sussex St. mob going to bring in a surplus.

By the way Keating is around he has been given a job by NSW Labor to watch over the development of Bangaroo, can you imagine how that is going to turn out after the developers have contributed to the Labor coffers.

What's good for the goose...

I see no reason, Alan Curran, why I should be explaining anything to you given that you have singularly ignored my question with respect to Abbott's paid parental leave tax.

I never claimed to read any report, and no I do not read/watch Ruperts media.

What you wrote was:

Fiona Reynolds and  Michael Park, having seen the report I would have thought you would have passed it on to Gillard Mk.2

You'll have to excuse Alan, given that the object of  "having seen the report" would seem to be "I", I'd assumed you'd seen it. 

On the subject of the Orgill report, some 2.7% of schools have complained with respect to value for money. The report notes "Notwithstanding the validity of issues raised in the complaints, our overall observation is that this Australia wide program is delivering much needed infrastructure to school communities while achieving the primary goal of economic activity across the nation."

Abbott is reduced now to a absolutist mantra: "waste can never be justified".

Perhaps another might be able to sort out Abbott's big new paid parental leave  tax that will be removed as it is introduced??

Father Park

Goosed

Michael Park, how can you possible have thought that I had read the Orgill Report when it was only released today.

Why has Gillard focused on the figure of 2.7%, that relates to the complaints received not to the waste in the $14.1 billion scheme, in her press conference she never mentioned the the figure of 12% which is waste.

I suppose Gillard is hoping that a lot of her supporters do not know what 12% of $14.1 billion  is.

Well for your information it is $1680,000,000, that would buy a lot of shelter for the homeless.

Possible? All is possible...

Michael Park, how can you possible have thought that I had read the Orgill Report when it was only released today.

I might "possible" have thought that because the only other way of interpreting your grammar is that Fiona and I had read the report when it was unreleased. If that was not what you meant, then the only other interpretation is that you had seen it.

Resolutley, Alan,  you refuse to address Abbott's thoroughly contradictory statements with respect to his paid parental leave scheme. Why might that be? 

Father Park

No interest

Michael Park , I have no interest in paid parental leave proposed by both sides of politics.

Why do people want paid parental leave?.

We never got paid parental leave but managed to raise 4 children.

Transparently understandable

What you received Alan Curran is irrelevant; that you refuse to address the opposition's absolute disarray over the budget surplus, its delivery date and the roll back of a big new levy - all tightly connected and spelled out in policy announcements and the so called "Action Contract" (p4) - is most revealing. You dissemble and dodge almost as well as Abbott when said inconsistency is pointed out.

That you or I received no such leave has absolutely no bearing on what Abbott's claim to remove the big new levy  once the budget is in surplus - 2013, the same year the big new levy is to be introduced - says about the opposition's integrity and its so called "Action Contract".

I might have expected some sarcastic Curran "wit" to cover your cutting and running on the issue but a simple and patheic "I got none so I'm not interested" is the best you can come up with?

Simply because you will not receive any of this money - and receved nothing similar in the past -  is a puerile exercise in avoidance. 

I imagine your next reflex response will be - yet again - to somehow bring the name "Whitlam" into the Action Contract's inconsistencies. Perhaps, akin to Godwin,  we should call this "Curran's Law"?

Do you have children in school Alan?

Father Park

Press conferance

Michael Park , Did you see the stage managed meeting of two Duds Gillard & Rudd.

Could not bring themselves to shake hands, could not look each other in the eyes.

How many people (besides yourself) would watch that performance and say everything in the Labor Party is OK.

I am suprised they did not wheel Whitlam in.

Alan "polyanna" Curran!

For the life of me, here I was thinking you'd more sense Alan Curran.

Fancy describing anything as "stage manged" in an election campaign and then thinking you were making some earth-shattering insight! My dear boy, the entire hoot'n'any is stage manged.

I could claim that the relationship - or lack thereof - between Gillard and Rudd does not interest me one whit. That, though, would be to get down in the cesspit and fight for your low ground in debate.

Father Park

Currans Law

 Michael Park , As I have said I have no interest in paid parental leave.

I have no children at school but I am putting 3 granchildren through school and I am paying for it myself.

Yes they are going to the best private school in Sydney and when I look at the public schools in my area I am convinced that I am doing the right thing.

Whe couldn't Gillard spent some money on proper teachers for the public schools, and get rid of the deadwood that the Teachers Union protects.

Father Park, just because you have fallen for the con that is Labor, does not mean that the rest of have to.

"Currans Law" I like the sound of that, it is the only time you have made any sense.

No interest

 Michael Park , As I have said I have no interest in paid parental leave.

And so the ignoring of the wider issue it is part of is dismissed out of hand. The rest of your post is the usual dissembling distrations.

I imagine any other policy - which you "have no interest in" - that brings with it a $6bn price tag is of no consequence and to be ignored?

A list of those matters of  policy you "have no interest in" might be illuminating.

Father Park

Translation and definition

Phrase:

"F*** you Jack, I'm alright."

1. A phrase used to epitomize arrogance and selfishness, with total disregard towards others.

Question Time

Alan Curran, the Orgill Report was overall strongly positive about the BER. I shall go into more details anon (unless another Webdiarist beats me to it). Meanwhile, I would like you to answer - on Webdiary - these three questions:

1. How many workers were killed during the construction of that icon of your city, the Sydney Harbour Bridge?

2. Why is it that nearly 80 years after its opening, Sydney (and non-Sydney) motorists are still paying for it?

3. Would you - as a proud Sydneysider - prefer that it had not been built? 

 

Answers

Fiona Reynolds, 16 workers were killed during the building of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Please don't tell me that building the Bridge staved off a Depression.

To the best of my knowledge the Bridge was paid off in 1988, but knowing the incompetence of the State Labor government they are probable still paying money to someone.

I would prefer 2 more tunnels, but I am happy with the Bridge.

Fiona: If you are wondering about the deletion of nearly half your post, Alan Curran, it might have something to do with the law of defamation. Please control yourself.

It's too late, baby...

Irrespective of reports, Gillard is f**ked, now .Pity she didn't  go with the REAL Julia from the get go!

Expected more from her. Disappointing.

Abbott is within a whisker of being PM. Who'd a thunk it?

Gillard is done like  a lamb roast in Queensland. Not popular here in the West. either.

Finally.. Labor have decided it's the economy?? Stupid!

It's a case of  "too little too late."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJSa265iKM

Smackwater Jack

A bloody good song and a better album, Kath. This election needs a Smackwater Jack

A whisker? Not so certain of that ... yet. Tony felt the ground move under his feet today with that ridiculous economic cock-up. If Gillard's got any "Keating" in her she'll go the jugular on Abbott.  She ain't got it though.

That the Liberal leader and his deputy can disagree over when the economy will be in surplus (Joe adheres to Tony's "Action Plan" - 2013 - and Tony has no idea or answer) is indicative of rank stupidity in their campaign.

The answer is relevant, of course, to Tony's "big new levy": paid parental leave. This is due to collect some $6bn when introduced in 2013. When pressed as to whether this "big new levy" was just another tax on big business, Tony said it would be wound back and removed as the budget returned to surplus.

Que??

A big new tax... err... levy... will be introduced in 2013 just to be wound back  immediately because the shadow treasurer and Tony Abbott's "Action Plan"  say it is no longer necessary?

"Forgive them Father for they know not what they speak" .

I find it difficult... postulant!  Postulant! Another red: there's much ironing to do

Father Park

Oh, yes, we are losers alright, Fiona

"If Gillard's got any "Keating" in her she'll go the jugular on Abbott. She ain't got it though."

I agree, Mike

What's with these overly cautious pollies nowadays?

No guts no glory!

Postulant! Another red for me too. I ain't got no ironing  to do, just  drowning the sorrows..

Hmm.. make that  a double ;)

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