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Kevin's bedtime story

Watching Kevin Rudd go through a childish set-piece on ABC's 7.30 Report tonight, I was utterly dismayed.  This crash is beginning to hit the fan at levels that many have expected since its commencement, and meanwhile the PM's delivering a show that should be on air between Teletubbies and Sesame Street.

First off, Kevin's foisting of the situation onto Liberal economic mismanagement;  Sorry, Kev, this doesn't cut it now, especially when you trip over your own story by later saying that the crisis stems from the U.S.  If you don't believe your own spin,  then why should we?

And what was t about the lady in Bendigo buying new false teeth- a bedtime fable?  It might have been heartwarming if you'd started reintroducing a national dental program, but not now.  While the rest of the country is supposedly having a last fling at dalliances, luxuries, and a sense of financial well-being that they probably won't feel for some time, this poor granny was out buying something to chew her food with.  Still, at least she's not down the pub stocking up on flagons of sherry  and blowing the rest on the pokies, eh Kev?  Are you really sure that gran's new mashers aren't made in China, though?  Why worry about them being Australian made, when Gerry Harvey's smililng at all those Korean made plasma tellies walking out the front door.

I know I'm waffling, but I can't believe I'm hearing such rubbish when things are so obviously going from bad to worse.   Suprisingly to myself, the most insulting aspect of the spiel was the PM.s repeated use ot the contraction "gonna."     Do you reckon that Kev uses this around the office every day?  I doubt it.  Childish linguistic bonding exercises, Prime Minister, are really insulting, especially when being used as anaesthetic for the pain of your following statement:

My job as Prime Minister is to provide as rapid a response possible to the rapid global deterioration in the economy and to try and support growth and jobs. And this is the best instrument available to government at this stage.

This is tantamount to saying "After Christmas, it won't be only the turkey that's stuffed"

All and all, the interview didn't fill me with much faith in the man's ability to lead us along the "long and bumpy road" ahead.  Perhaps, Kevin, if you stopped treating us like primary school kids and talked to us as equals, and admitted the realities, we might get behind you and statr doing whatever needs to be done.  Until then though, you're gonna have to either drop the bullshit or try harder. I should be mentally picturing a tough, resolute leader carving a path out of trouble , but instead I've got an image of Kevin Rudd in an Andy Pandy costume.  If our PM keeps this sort of thing up, Andy will indeed be waving goodbye when he's voted out at the next election.  If the country thinks it needs tough leadership for tough times, then Turnbull is in like Flynn.

I'm gonna stop now.  Have a look at the transcript and see what you reckon.

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And their alternative?

It appears to me that since 13 December, in several threads, there has developed a sub-culture of doom and gloom.

It should be called the Morrella/Ramsey Cult, with the appropriate skull and crossbones.

Their unrelenting attacks on the Rudd government are as unproductive as the alternatives that they "never ever" seem to have.

It is sad that, in the dire circumstances which we now face, there are educated Australians who could lower themselves to the unhelpful and treacherous attacks that we are now witnessing. Fair dinkum.

Just who do they think they are? Or what do they think they are?

This is a time when Australia, along with all other industrialised nations, is trying to revive and survive in a war against financial ruin. It is unlike any other situation in the last 78 years.

To "do a liberal" and pre-emptively claim that all methods currently in train are bound to fail is typically a false premise. It is shown as a disgraceful sham by early results in the Labor Government's attack on the greed of Wall Street and their government’s failure to recognise and correct the disease.

If SMH reports are correct then the Rudd/Swan/RBA efforts are bearing fruit as demonstrated by the reported record $38 billion consumer spending already calculated. $12 billion in NSW alone.

To me this means that the general public has confidence in the government of our country, its RBA and regulators.

A very nervous business community must be delighted and, in my opinion, if they continue to offer the public the current level of "survival" deals, then their businesses should be secure.

At least that is what the employers, employees and even pensioners should be subscribing to.

Sure, it is fair game to have checks and balances on the general performance of the government of our country under normal circumstances, but to intentionally undermine the efforts that a nation may make to try to resolve an international disaster, not of their making, is tantamount to treachery in my book.

Of course I write of the acute financial meltdown currently affecting the world.

IMHO, these people are doing this in a crass political attempt to destroy public faith in the present government which, at this time, would naturally flow on to the attempts to soften the financial blows which may come our way.

It would be just as despicable under any government of any persuasion.

The facts seem to be that the public is responding, the business community is responding, and a situation is possible where all sections of society is prepared to share the pain in an effort to restore our security.

Whatever happens, the Morrella/Ramsey Cult will claim that they foresaw this and without them there would have been disaster. Struth.

Vanity, vanity is all.

NE OUBLIE.

Growth drives demand, demand doesn't drive growth

I note the Australian Government is now set for a car industry bailout. Astounding.

This one act goes a long way to proving what I've been writing here for over twelve months. That is: Governments are run by third rate economic imbeciles, by and on behalf of, third rate economic imbeciles. It's truly astounding.

The Government entered the market, earlier in the year, to affect pricing with a "new tax". It would seem that it worked. Surprise, surprise. So naturally they're now set to churn this money back into the industry, and hopefully (for the government) into their back pocket. And create a number of jobs from thin air to boot. Next they'll be bailing out the alcohol manufacturers. Astounding.

It's not just the problem of the Australian Government - it's a world problem. it's a world problem of ignorant economics. And it's becoming completely shameful in all its shamelessness. It'll ultimately end in sending the living standards, of great swaths of the masses, backward.

It's the utterly discredited belief that one can use "money" in the place of production. It doesn't work like that, its never worked like that, and it never will work like that. Nations create wealth by trading goods and services, not paper with pretty colors. Its never changed, and it'll never change. Politics (all parties are as economically illiterate) is merely being used for what I believe will be one day looked upon as the greatest swindle in our lifetime.

PS with all this "newly" floating "worthless" world paper, the American Government would be well advised to begin adding to the stratagic reserve. Add something of value in place of something of no value, let's say.

Good to see

Paul Morrella coming around to my way of thinking. Maybe we just misunderstood each other?

No Australian child will live in the streets

A PLAN to halve the number of homeless in Australia and accommodate all people sleeping rough by 2020 has received widespread support. Welfare agencies have called it bold and revolutionary.

However, the ambitious aim of the white paper on homelessness, The Road Home, raised memories of Bob Hawke's failure to honour his spectacular promise in 1987 that no Australian child would live in poverty.

$1.2 billion over four years to build new housing and improve services.

Rudd's 'Homeless' PR stunt has about as much chance of reducing homelessness as Hawke's stunt in 1987.

Homelessness is tied up in a complex web of social, psychiatric, cultural, family and gender issues that have little to do with housing stock availability, let alone service delivery.

Might be a nice little earner for the construction industry though, certain welfare bureaucracies and will definitely assist Labor pork-barreling efforts in marginal seats as the recession bites deeper - doubtless forcing up homelessness.

Anyway, it'll be long forgotten by 2020. Pity.

There's little chance of me paying for it

Michael de Angelos: "And where are these jobs coming from, Paul Morrella, that everyone will have to work at? For the last 20 years every government of every persuasion has been manipulating unemployment figures because there is little they can do to satisy the gutter tabloids and their endless headlines".

The world has recently been through record employment. In the good old days, unemployment was treated as head of the household - which was generally a white married male. The claim of "manipulated" figures is myth or mirth, I can't decide which.

Employment works in a cycle, and just like every cycle, it has its ups and downs.

Best to pay them not to break into your house or steal your car, hit you over the head with a brick for your briefcase as that's the alternative. It costs more to police people in the end. Pay them off - much cheaper. Call it protection money.

One simply should look no further than at a number of  rich celebrities and their lifestyles. Idle time makes for idle minds - money isn't the issue. There are a number of situations not suited to the human nature. Being forever idle and unproductive is one such situation. It would be criminal for a society to encourage such a situation.

The figures tell the Australian story. Cuts will have to be made in a number of areas. If the cuts are made for the non-productive at the expense of the productive, there will be consequences. Productive people can leave at any time of their choosing. Which would make any dreams of a society a moot point at best.

Your preferred society is the reason of feel absolutely no shame in minimizing my taxes (theft) to the enth degree (legally of course). In fact a large reason I feel it my human duty to do so. I encourage all others to feel, and act, exactly the same way.

The jokes just keep coming...

"AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has been named as the chairman of the Federal Government's new Multicultural Advisory Council."

"Mr Demetriou will head the 16-member council, which also includes representatives from other multicultural organisations and immigrant and business bodies as well as South Australian District Court Judge Rauf Soulio."

The AFL is a "multicultural organisation"?

Why not Brescia Furniture or Oporto Chicken Takeaway?

Intensive care procedures in China

Justin Obodie: "Of course one must work with the numbers as supplied by the Party - it would be a very naive punter to believe (any) numbers compiled by the Party."

They lie about everything to everyone. For example, a review in 1998 looked at the entire canon of modern Chinese medical research and found that "not one single negative trial had ever been published."

Not one.

So no single innovation, idea or clinical research project in Chinese scientific medicine since 1949 had ever presented a disappointing or lower than expected outcome.

Ever.

Source: Bad Science, Dr Ben Goldacre, Fourth Estate Publishing, London, 2008

No wonder Kevin admires them so much. They talk utter crap all the time and call it progress.

Now, I suppose if I was in charge of the Ministry of Information to the People's Republic and I wanted to put some kind of positive gloss on the economic disaster mounting there, I'd say it was all intentional so that we might, oh I dunno, "reduce carbon emissions by between five and fifteen percent before 2020".  Or something.

You know. Shoot something at random. Then call it the "target".

Pollution control - China fashion

Hey Eliot you'll like this one. A friend used to work as a chemist for the government department that tested for pollution and stuff in Shanghai factories.

The usual procedures for testing stuff at a particular factory would be to inform the factory management when the chemists would arrive to collect whatever samples they had to test.

It was all very simple really. The chemists would turn up and collect little jars of stuff conveniently prepared by the factory management.

It comes of no surprise to learn that all samples passed the tests with flying colours - always.

Kevin Rudd confers environment award on major polluter

Kevin Rudd is patron of  the Banksia Environmental Foundation:

I congratulate all the 2008 Banksia Awards winners and finalists on their outstanding achievements and on the passion and commitment they bring to the protection of Australia’s natural environment.

 - Kevin Rudd

One... 

Australia’s environmental champions have been recognised at the prestigious Banksia Awards ceremony held at Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre, with the issue of energy efficiency emerging as a strong direction for future environmental improvements.

Evidence of this trend was seen in the crowning of the World Wildlife Fund’s Earth Hour as the winner of the Origin Gold Banksia Award, the night’s highest accolade, and of Dr Zhengrong Shi founder of Suntech, as the winner of the Banksia International Award

Two...

"SUNTECH Power Holdings, one of the world's largest manufacturers of solar panels, has opened a regional office in Sydney."

Three...

The first time Li Gengxuan saw the dump trucks from the nearby factory pull into his village, he couldn’t believe what happened. Stopping between the cornfields and the primary school playground, the workers dumped buckets of bubbling white liquid onto the ground. Then they turned around and drove right back through the gates of their compound without a word.

This ritual has been going on almost every day for nine months, Li and other villagers said.

In China, a country buckling with the breakneck pace of its industrial growth, such stories of environmental pollution are not uncommon. But the Luoyang Zhonggui High-Technology Co., here in the central plains of Henan Province near the Yellow River, stands out for one reason: It’s a green energy company, producing polysilicon destined for solar energy panels sold around the world. But the byproduct of polysilicon production—silicon tetrachloride—is a highly toxic substance that poses environmental hazards....

 Last year, the Luoyang Zhonggui factory was estimated to have produced less than 300 tons of polysilicon, but it aims to increase that tenfold this year—making it China’s largest operating plant. It is a key supplier to Suntech Power Holdings, a solar panel company whose founder Shi Zhengrong recently topped the list of the richest people in China."

Complete and utter charlatan.

China's GDP goes single digit

"China's industrial output growth slowed to 5.4 per cent in November from a year earlier, official data shows, providing the latest evidence that the nation's economy is quickly losing steam."

Watch mining stocks plummet...

Poor buggers don't know what they are in for

"watch the mining stocks plummet..."

They already have, but how much lower can they go. P/E ratios are getting back to reasonable levels.

Eliot's link concludes: "The [Chinese] economy grew at only 9 per cent in the third quarter, and the data out for November has all but ensured the fourth-quarter numbers will be much lower."

With anything less than around 8% growth China will be going backwards. Of course one must work with the numbers as supplied by the Party - it would be a very naive punter to believe (any) numbers compiled by the Party.

I believe around 70,000 factories or businesses have been shut down recently. Relatives in China have said many have lost their jobs (government figures are highly unreliable) and lost heaps of cash in real estate and the share market. One relative lost around 70% of their shares value and another has seen a recent house purchase lose 50% of its value.

Welcome to the up and downs of capitalism.

One thing for sure, there will be no recovery soon, the main event is just around the corner.

I was at Centrelink this morning and found myself wondering how such a dysfunctional organisation is going to cope with an influx of human beings who have lost their jobs, their houses, their dignity and in some cases their families.

One thing for sure, Centrelink will only make a bad situation worse, a quick example of my adventures with Centrelink this morning:

A friend of 60 years of age has suffered permanent brain damage after having a tumour removed. As such she is totally dependent on her pension and unable to work.

A very stupid Officer at CL decided it would be in the interests of the taxpayer to suspend her pension - just before Christmas and when her Rudd $1,400 bonus was due. Not a very clever thing to do.

To cut a long and painful story short I accompanied my friend to her Centrelink office and methodically dealt with the Officer in question. I kid you not - I have never witnessed such a display of arrogance and utter stupidity.

Unfortunately the careless and hostile Officer had never dealt with an albatross before. It took me about 8 minutes to deconstruct and expose the errors of the Officer's efforts who became increasingly agitated, defensive and vocal. The Officer made a complete fuck up of the whole process and was too arrogant to come to terms with her recklessness.

She finally went ballistic and was led away by her supervisor for "time out". The supervisor claimed she had never known her underling to behave in such an emotional and unprofessional manner. I knew my job had been done.

On relating the erroneous processing to the supervisor it became obvious a gross injustice had occurred. It took the supervisor 45 minutes to make everything right again (and to avoid a very terse complaint to Finn Pratt the CL CEO), punctuated by polite and conciliatory apologies - something that is rare from Centrelink.

Anyway at the end of the day that dopey CL Officer managed to scare the shit out of (and humiliate) a totally vulnerable and honest 60 year old brain damaged human being and in the process the Officer wasted her time (as well as humiliating herself - heheh), wasted the time of her superiors, my time and of course the taxpayers' cash.

They still have to draft a letter to my friend explaining the fuck up - I can't wait to see what they are prepared to put in writing - more time and money wasted.

Next year there will be a lot of punters fronting up at their Centrelink offices; they will begin their new adventure as the unfortunate victims of an economic crises. Then we will probably forget about them and call them dole bludgers or worse especially when they complain their meagre benefits are impossible to live on. Maybe we won't but this is how we have behaved in the paste.

Some will have to become criminals to get the cash to survive - quite often undeclared cash (in hand) bridges the survival gap for declared income is severely taxed. Never the less this type of survival will be essential for many as it always has been.

The Miranda Devines will call these "types" no hopers, cheats and bludgers, many will agree and of course it will be the "misguided" and "deluded" lefties who feel sympathetic.

Maybe this time it will be different. Let's hope so for many otherwise honest and decent human beings are going to have to compromise their "ethics" and the law of the land to survive.

The revolution will not be televised...

"LOW-INCOME households and pensioners could be given a free set-top box to convert analog TVs to receive a digital signal as the Federal Government gears up for the biggest changeover since the introduction of decimal currency."

The jokes just keep coming out of The Lodge, don't they?

Who knows? The pensioners might actually enjoy watching old re-runs of Dad Rudd, M.P

Alternatively, they could switch on the television and watch that instead.

Richard: Eliot, Helen Coonan was discussing the idea a couple of years ago. I recall a Newsltd column in which she sounded a lot more supportive than this link implies, but remember that there was a bit of talk around the traps.  At the very least, the idea has been considered by both parties.

Free passes to Wonder World

Did you see that SBS documentary on Ancient Rome last night?

They used chariot races at the Circus Maximus to keep people's minds off their troubles instead.

Less carbon emissions that way. And later, you can eat the horses.

Solutions please

Form a queue to the left or right and please supply your solutions to the current world situation folks. Let's not do a Malcolm and knock what Kev's doing unless you have an alternative - my main criticism of Turnbull.

Malcolm actually put forward some excellent policies for solving housing shortages way back in 2004 and they must have been good - Howard shoved them in the bottom drawer and they were never mentioned again.

My only problem with the 'handout', Alga Kavanagh, is that I didn't get one! But I agree about 'globalisation" - the biggest scam of the century and one doomed for failure. But trying to get of the deal once already done - now that's almost impossible. We tried to tell Howard at the time. We'd end up like Iraq if we tried.

And where are these jobs coming from, Paul Morrella, that everyone will have to work at? For the last 20 years every government of every persuasion has been manipulating unemployment figures because there is little they can do to satisy the gutter tabloids and their endless headlines. Not only will employment figures ever come down again - probably around 5% of the electorate is unemployable. Best to pay them not to break into your house or steal your car, hit you over the head with a brick for your briefcase as that's the alternative. It costs more to police people in the end. Pay them off - much cheaper. Call it protection money.

Off with the fairies

Alga Kavanagh: "We are already in a forced monopoly, politically and commercially. When you have single or dual companies controlling more than 80% of most essential industries and services, that is a monopoly, just as the lib/lab coaliton is a forced monopoly."

People can these markets at any time. It isn't a "forced" monopoly. You on the other hand, are writing about, outright banning of the competition. That's a "forced" monopoly. The prices of course will reflect this favored status. Which won't help the poor and struggling.

When has small localised and owned business become a monopoly, aren't governments giving these current social and environmental destroying monopolies huge amounts of government funds.

All large businesses started as "small localized businesses".

The coal, vehicle, fuel, construction, development and commodity industries get billions each year in handouts and exemptions from just about everything the people are not allowed to do under threat of fines, economic slaughter or jail if they emulate big business practises.

You're probably referring to Intellectual Property Law. Without specifics I don't know what you're really writing about.

The businesses which would change our direction, aren't supported or introduced because that would mean taking the power and wealth out of the hands of the elite and into the community for every ones benefit, where it belongs.

I don't know where you get that idea. It would seem that whomever owns the only power plant, say a wind-farm, would be the "elite". The elite with a forced monopoly to boot. A company will be involved in anything that legally makes a profit. The problem with lack of involvement, at present, is that these types of ventures don't make a profit. Hence, your need for the laws of Omerta; that is, the elimination of the competition.

So far every government which has subsidised the corporate monopolistic sector, has failed to provide the results promised by both business, academia, the bureaucracy and government, including all privatisation.

An opinion.

The lib/lab coalition give billions of our money to fuel, coal, developers and road builders every year, to increase executive salaries, degrade services and rationalise employment to increase their profit margins, then charge us money to drive on the roads we paid for.

Governments employ certain services from business - they have since the beginning of governments - and they probably always will. Most people btw are employed in private business.

Yes, the system you so fervently support, is senselessly destroying our countries life force as rapidly as it can, which I'm sure makes people supporting the current debauched system, very happy.

I don't support most of the current system. Never have, and never will.

We are currently relying on economic growth to improve things, how's it working so far.

You're on a computer complaining aren't you? If you're not complaining about getting "free money", and other assorted free shit, you're complaining about the world ending tomorrow.

It seems to me for a lot of people in places without any economic growth, the world will be ending tomorrow. Through a combination of starvation, disease and any number of  joys forced poverty brings.

They don't even care about the future of their children or grand children, just their greed and gluttony.

The old hoary "they". Who's this ever evil "they"?

How do you get around those realistic situations and still have your delusional economic and wealth growth, more restrictions and suppressions on the people.

I don't think it's realistic, that's how.

I think the "reality" you write is a construct of your own mind. Probably coming about through a number personal experiences. We all deal with personal experiences, both good and bad, in different ways. Some more positive ways than others.

 It appears you support a merry go round attitude, leading to a revolving door outcome, just like god, ridiculous in the extreme and fatally dangerous for all concerned.

I'm not religious. People's personal religious beliefs also don't grip me with fear. People have a right to believe in whatever they want. I'm a big boy and can look after myself. If people (and that includes the religious) trample on my legally entitled rights, they know about it soon enough. That's generally how the world works for most thinking people.

The revolving door syndrone

Paul Morrella: "If such industries where so good, they'd already be with us. Seems to me that needing to create a "forced" monopoly, isn't a sign of a business winner. Needing the use of governments funds (because investors aren't that kind of stupid), seems even less of a winner. Hence the need for constantly creating hobgobblins.”

We are already in a forced monopoly, politically and commercially. When you have single or dual companies controlling more than 80% of most essential industries and services, that is a monopoly, just as the lib/lab coaliton is a forced monopoly. When has small localised and owned business become a monopoly, aren't governments giving these current social and environmental destroying monopolies huge amounts of government funds. The coal, vehicle, fuel, construction, development and commodity industries get billions each year in handouts and exemptions from just about everything the people are not allowed to do under threat of fines, economic slaughter or jail if they emulate big business practises. The businesses which would change our direction, aren't supported or introduced because that would mean taking the power and wealth out of the hands of the elite and into the community for every ones benefit, where it belongs.

So far every government which has subsidised the corporate monopolistic sector, has failed to provide the results promised by both business, academia, the bureaucracy and government, including all privatisation. Now we don't own anything, big business does and they have stuffed the lot, just filling their own pockets and bugger the rest. The lib/lab coalition give billions of our money to fuel, coal, developers and road builders every year, to increase executive salaries, degrade services and rationalise employment to increase their profit margins, then charge us money to drive on the roads we paid for. Yet the companies are going broke and they have no obligation to replay their handouts, or to reduce the burden on the people, they will just walk away with their spoils and leave the people to clean up their mess. Yes, the system you so fervently support, is senselessly destroying our countries life force as rapidly as it can, which I'm sure makes people supporting the current debauched system, very happy.

“When people's attitudes change, which are mostly based on what is and isn't affordable, so you will see these things become part of the landscape. Actually, it's reliant on wealth, and that ugly thing called economic growth. “

We are currently relying on economic growth to improve things, how's it working so far. We need technological growth and economic and environmental stability. Wealth and economic growth rely upon environments and you can't have wealth or an economy when you have non functioning or impoverished environments. That means ecological, social, health, and community as healthy environments, something which is disappearing. What happens when the resource's are gone' I suppose it won't matter to those in power, they only care about now and their own nest feathering to everyone else's detriment. They don't even care about the future of their children or grand children, just their greed and gluttony.

How do you get around those realistic situations and still have your delusional economic and wealth growth, more restrictions and suppressions on the people. How's that approach worked so far throughout history, other than failed every time. It appears you support a merry go round attitude, leading to a revolving door outcome, just like god, ridiculous in the extreme and fatally dangerous for all concerned.

Life boat Australia

Eliot Ramsey”They would say that, wouldn't they? But according to that view, they would never disagree amongst themselves.”

Eliot, all fervent ideologists disagree amongst themselves no matter what cultism they follow, as all ideologies are just illusions for the delusional to cling to. Fervent environmentalists are no different, however non zealous people people who can see beyond the fear of change your ilk clings to, are people who care about the planet, I doubt you would fit in that reality, as it dismisses empty hope and blind egocentric greed at all costs.

Michael de Angelos”Rudd's tippy- toeing is probably best at present. To attempt to wrest Australia out of his mess of "globalisation" would be foolish. Better to tread warily particularly ase are so small and insignificant”

I disagree, what you see as tip toeing, I see as a Rudd not having a clue as to what to do. You don't tip toe when things are collapsing around you, you take positive and definitive action to remove or eliminate the problems. Rudd and his counterpart ideological and religious brother in crime Turnbull, are being shown for what they are, pathetic and useless for these times. Why wait until the flood crushes you, better to get out of the way or build a sociological and economic vehicle which will allow you to ride out, overcome or diminish the flood effects. Nothing like that is being done, all that's happening is they are pouring more and more water into the breaking dam to ensure it will break and flood us all. The hand outs are going to do nothing at all, as by March pensioners and others will be in deeper trouble, the huge businesses which have destroyed competition and small business, relying for their wealth upon constant and useless growing consumerism will be collapsing, because people can no longer afford to keep the massive amount of debt they have been conned into creating, purely for the benefit of the elite.

What idea's and answers does Rudd have to deal with those, he is about to run out of money and will either have to impose more taxes, go into debt and impoverish the people more, as he desperately tries hold up his vested interests constant desire for more profits at any cost.

The best course of action for Australia would be to cut the ropes tying us to the sinking titanic called the global market and corporate control, then get our own house in order and stuff the rest of the world. Why go down with the ship, we have a life boat island that can survive much better without the religiously orientated bizarrely acting rest of the world. Why do we need them at all, except to fill the pockets of the millionaires Rudd, Turnbull and Co, not rational or logical at all.

A world of little Hitlers just bursting to get out

Alga Kavanagh "Paul Morella, you may wish to keep your head firmly in the sands of the past, clinging desperately to the dying politician, economic and social system the world is infected with, I don't. Isn't that a Luddite trait, clinging to their past powers and beliefs".

Isn't it you writing about "forcing" people to do things? Seems to me you're the only one with the "past" authoritarian streak. Though, the ever growing numbers of "vermin" (on your esteemed list), probably could do with a bit of steel, eh? Keep them all honest like.

I was referring to creating industries which are futuristic, viable, sustainable and able to be developed in a more earth friendly way. What's wrong with distributing the countries wealth in a more sane and sensible way, which enhances progress for all aspects of the planet and not just the few.

if such industries where so good, they'd already be with us. Seems to me that needing to create a "forced" monopoly, isn't a sign of a business winner. Needing the use of governments funds (because investors aren't that kind of stupid), seems even less of a winner. Hence the need for constantly creating hobgobblins.

When people's attitudes change, which are mostly based on what is and isn't affordable, so you will see these things become part of the landscape. Actually, it's reliant on wealth, and that ugly thing called economic growth.

Diet in fact is as good of evaluating socio-economics as anything else. The immediate living environment in any major city is another. Making people poorer isn't going to solve any problems, and it will only exacerbate more problems. That should be apparent to any sensible person, which it seems are becoming a rare species.

 

 

Young guys and girls take note

Michael de Angelos "It is time to take bold moves if there is to be anything done at all-such as introducing the "social wage"-a payment to stop people working or taking jobs of which there aren't any anyway, and never will be again".

They could pay these people with rocks - or indeed Zimbabwean dollars - there's certainly enough of them for everybody. It does seem unlikely anyone capable of actually earning hard currency would stick around.

Unfortunately most people aren't born wealthy or a stunning babe. That means they'll have to work. It's a real bummer I know (sarcasm); that's just the way it is, and thus will always be.

There'll always be a snake oil salesman to tell you differently. That has been the way throughout the ages. Curiously, only the snake oil salesman ever seems to come out the more enhanced. Today we call these people politicians, and they form snake oil societies known as political parties.

The worm has turned

Michael de AngelosUnchartered waters? I think not.

Boom and bust cycles are always the same. The world has been here before, and it'll be here again. Solid economic policy is the best remedy to all the ills. Not the sort of quackery currently being served up, and prolonging those ills.

Toss in the bonuses they are expecting (giving lie to the bizarre notion of the last 20 years or so that you must pay the most to get the best) and the fact they are trying to do as Howard's Work Choices was never able to in Australia-drive wages down even further and decimate unions for all time.

There isn't a conspiracy theory to do anything you claim.

The jobs market is one of supply and demand. Employers (those that survive) can (and no doubt will) demand a lot more then they previously could. Unions will find it difficult, the same way every seller finds it difficult, in a buyers market. And indeed the market will go full turn.

It's dangerous to assume what people are willing to accept based on previous years - indeed very different situations. When one cannot find employment, one indeed, truly has no work choices.

Personally, I don't think previous government employment policies will be an issue in two years time. I think that's wishful thinking on your part.

Unchartered waters

I think Rudd, in the most tentative way, is doing the correct thing . His "beer swillers, pokie pumping Plasma bonus" is just one small step but in the right direction (although note, the usual vocal whingers in small business are oddly but meanly silent at this measure which will surely help them).

There is no role model to go on, no previous drama to learn from. This collapse is the worse it's ever been and will be in full swing by the end of 2009. The 'bail-out' is a cop out and the banker/wall Street crew responsible are still trying to exempt themselves from any punsihment for their misdeeds but rather take whatever  advantage they can by snatching up assets at a knockdown price for which the taxpayer is expected to pay.

Toss in the bonuses they are expecting (giving lie to the bizarre notion of the last 20 years or so that you must pay the most to get the best) and the fact they are trying to do as Howard's Work Choices was never able to in Australia-drive wages down even further and decimate unions for all time.

Rudd's tippy- toeing is probably best at present. To attempt to wrest Australia out of this mess of  "globalisation" would be foolish. Better to tread warily particularly as we are so small and insignificant

It is time to take bold moves if there is to be anything done at all-such as introducing the "social wage"-a payment to stop people working or taking jobs of which there aren't any anyway, and never will be again. Time to rid ourselves of this dreadful Puritan work ethic and time to ditch the endless attacks upon the real victims-those at the lowest economc level, the unemployed, single mothers etc who are coming in for the usual bashing as in the UK with their Pensons Minster James Purnell who is threatening the hoary old "welfare to work" fiasco so favoured by politicians of the Nu Labour/Old Thatcherism type and ala the Howard/Costello crew who blithered on for the last 10 years that selling of every asset, slashing welfare and infrastructure programs, charging through the nose for education and then relying on the taxes from what's dug out of the ground is some of sort of brilliant new economic strategy when it's the complete opposite.

I agree-Rudd's delivery is Dull but that means he needs a new speechwriter or aide to write some good qips for impromptu press conferences, but as far as the economy goes while it's still collasing-steady as she goes.

Besides, anything he does do that works, Malcolm Turnbull immediately claims "it was me that done it".

Luddite traits

Paul Morrella, you may wish to keep your head firmly in the sands of the past, clinging desperately to the dying politician, economic and social system the world is infected with, I don't. Isn't that a Luddite trait, clinging to their past powers and beliefs.

I was referring to creating industries which are futuristic, viable, sustainable and able to be developed in a more earth friendly way. What's wrong with distributing the countries wealth in a more sane and sensible way, which enhances progress for all aspects of the planet and not just the few.

Progress is not destroying the planet, or putting more money into fewer pockets, that's Luddite thinking. Real progressive technology is aimed at reducing harm to the planet, whilst improving our lives, not making it worse and constructing a death date for a lot of life on this planet.

I don't believe any form of government or philosophy past or present, has been a success for the people. So there is an opening for a new approach to the future governance of this country and that has to negate any past or current political parties and philosophies. I don't know what that will be, but I know it's the only way out of the current situation, unless you can come up with something other than maintaining Luddite thinking of superiority, right to wealth, industry and social control.

The rest of your post makes little sense when you are so far of the track in your judgement of me. One thing worth remembering, social survival doesn't come from making money, it comes from having services and facilities which make people comfortable, safe and happy to be alive. Get rid of live to work and bring in work to live, then we could have a better society all around.

Don't we all...

Alga Kavanagh: "Eliot you use the word “environmentalist” as if referring to those of lesser intellect, yet they are people who see the facts and not deny them, because of some form of mental ideological sickness."

They would say that, wouldn't they? But according to that view, they would never disagree amongst themselves.

Lets burn the village to save the village

Alga Kavanagh "Eliot you use the word “environmentalist” as if referring to those of lesser intellect, yet they are people who see the facts and not deny them, because of some form of mental ideological sickness".

I'd call you a Luddite.

An environmentalist cares about the "environment". One can have many beliefs and still care about the environment. A belief in the regression of progress isn't a pre-requisite.

Throughout history, societies in crisis took extraordinary steps to combat and change their situation, shutting down and creating better performing industries, we see recent examples in the two 20th century world wars.

The historical rose colored glasses view. Which industries are you referring? The arms industry?

Currently polluting industries are producing things in ways we can do without and the energy wasted on polluting could be put to good use, it only requires the money being put in the right places, instead of back into the useless squandering pockets of the elite.

The contradiction: Money from industries that make money, needs to be placedf into industries that don't make money. The "right" place apparently. Why put money into things that make money? When of course that money can be placed into something that doesn't make money.............

Interestingly; the tainted funds from these "non-right" industries, hasn't stopped you from making claims on them for your "non-ideological" causes. For all manner of things.

I guess every Lord, back in the "good old days", needed the a village tax collector. For 'non-ideological' purposes of course.

The first thing to do is ditch the insanity of the new world order of a global market place and market driven economy, it can't work.

Can it work? moot point.

A return to the past certainly can't work - even the very recent past. The world isn't any longer divided in two halves. The "certainties" of the recent past, the certainties, so many seem to cling too, came directly at the expense of one half of that world. I can't see that half (non-winning) easily returing to that situation. Can anyone else?

 

 

 

head in the sand

Eliot you use the word “environmentalist” as if referring to those of lesser intellect, yet they are people who see the facts and not deny them, because of some form of mental ideological sickness. Throughout history, societies in crisis took extraordinary steps to combat and change their situation, shutting down and creating better performing industries, we see recent examples in the two 20th century world wars.

You refuse to see we have a crisis in front of us and the only way out is to change direction. If you class the approach by your ilk as “grown up”, then that accounts for why the world is in such a crisis on all fronts, grown ups like you are running the place. Currently polluting industries are producing things in ways we can do without and the energy wasted on polluting could be put to good use, it only requires the money being put in the right places, instead of back into the useless squandering pockets of the elite.

The ruling junta's way out is to spend, spend, spend, but as has been pointed out, constant spending is the reason we have a crisis in the first place. It's the old revolving door syndrome, push one lot of idiots out of the revolving door and then put another lot of idiots in to give the impression it's a new door, when in fact, its the same revolving door doing the same stupid things, with the same type people in different clothes. I recall how the lib/lab coalition dismissed our growing foreign debt, yet if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have a crisis but a stable economy. The first thing to do is ditch the insanity of the new world order of a global market place and market driven economy, it can't work.

Which country has got the solution?

Who should we be copying?

I suspect that there is in fact precious little that Kev can do, and maybe his insincerity, in that he knows it, but is pretending to solve it for us at least, is what jars.

I don't like the handouts - started by the previous govt:  too much like baronial alms to the poor for my liking.  Either people have a right to the money, or they don't.  Such shouldn't be dependent on  whim from on high.

Japan poured huge amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the 90s, and it did diddly squat to charge their economy.  It's not likely to work for anyone else, either.

I think that the Rudd govt has been disappointing so far:  it is just a pleasure to me not to have the smug, dishonest faces of J Howard and his sycophants around, and I'll put up with a lot to compensate for that. 

I seem to recall the Whitlam govt  rapidly bringing in explosive changes.  I would think that K Rudd might have more of a "boiling the frog" approach.  However, if so, the times do not suit him.

I am surprised, Cuz

G'day Richard. It is not surprising that so far, before this entry of mine, you have only created a thread for people who would be the best subscribers to your interpretation of Kevin Rudd's body language.

I did not see it that way and I was reticent about assisting in its continuation.

I watched the 7.30 Report to which you refer and my take on it was that the workload pace and travelling for the best international information on the crisis have taken their toll on this man.

I also had the information prior to that interview that Paul Kelly of The Australian had commented on the ABC Insiders program that the Australian economy was stalling already even before the first Rudd/Swan budget.

And I quote:

BARRY CASSIDY: And looking back over the week, we shouldn't forget there was a very significant growth figure, very close to flat lining.

PAUL KELLY: There sure was Barrie. I think this changes a lot of the debate about the economy. We saw in the three months to September the economy grew at 0.1 per cent and the non-farm sector was negative.

Now what this means is that before the impact of the global financial crisis in mid-September, the Australian economy had virtually stalled. We were in a home grown slowdown. Now the politics of this I think are pretty clear. We're going to have a new debate about who is responsible for the slowdown in the Australian economy ahead of the global financial crisis. (Emphasis added).

I think that Paul Kelly could not be considered a leftie by any means, and yet his take is, at least to me, the way I saw things happening even before the 2007 election.

You would be somewhat aware of my repeated claim during the later Howard years, from an ordinary citizen's point of view, that the Howard/Costello economy had become unsustainable in so far as I believed that it was debt laden and falsely reported.

After the US capitalists' greed caused the Lehman Brothers crash and its domino effect I also considered that the reasons for that disaster were no different in principle to the Howard/Costello sham.

Much smaller of course, but since we have a much smaller economy as well, the effect was bound to be a problem which had to be dealt with, even before we were told of the US meltdown.

IMHO to his credit, Kevin Rudd has not made too big an issue of the false prosperity which we were conned to believe - even as the Americans were.

You of all people, cuz, would be aware of the power of the media and the way in which they control the information that they have decided we should have.

And further, even with his "aspirational nationalism" so acclaimed by the media, Howard was the most successful liar in our political history.

If you watched any of the ABC's boring and misleading Howard Years surely you would have noticed that, as always, when Howard lied he invariably looked askew?

No Richard, I do not agree with your take on that interview and I would bet a pound to a pinch of ........ that Kerry O'Brien didn't think so either.

I have always perceived that the ABC's independence is now only assured by the attitude of Kerry and Tony Jones. It is so refreshing to watch these interviewers put the same probing questions, without fear or favour, to whoever is on their show.

Only time will tell now whether the actions of the Rudd/Swan government, which are very similar to the other nations adversely affected by the US capitalism, are as correct as the American Congress seems to oppose the bail-out plan for the incompetents who caused it.

Cheers Ern G.

Words and realities

Ernest, in writing the piece, and while expecting responses of a similar nature to those below, I had hoped that somebody would speak up in Rudd's defence.   I was beginning to worry that nobody would, so am glad you've joined the fray.

The crux of my problem is best exemplified in the exchange between Eliot and Fiona.  Having only really begun to follow politics during the Howard era, I have only seen such tactics employed by the Liberals.  To learn that it's what Fiona calls a "pollie thing" is disappointing;  I was hoping the Rudds would be cut from stronger stuff.  A bit of waffle to win an election was understandable, but in a situation that appears to be extremely dire, I find such an approach to "media management" as quite unacceptable.

I agree with your assessment on the personal toll that this must be taking on the members of Cabinet.  I think they're probably close to pooping their pants.  I know I would be.  

The fact that you and I (and no doubt many others) can perceive this is what makes the words so much of an insult to one's intelligence.  It's also quite frightening.   If this is "talking things up"....

Smoke and mirrors

Julia gets to announce stuff like this:

Federal Employment Minister Julia Gillard has described job losses at Rio Tinto as highly distressing.

The company has announced it will shed 14,000 jobs world wide, with some of those to come from its Australian operations."

While Kevin gets to do stunts like this:

"The Federal Government is introducing a $4.7 billion nation-building plan to combat the effects of the global financial crisis, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says.

The latest injection of funds comes on top of its $10.4 billion economic stimulus package.

It's a stunt because Wayne Swan will have to deal with this simple reality:

"Mr Rudd said the Government would bring forward $711 million in spending in the 2008-09 and 2009-10 financial years to accelerate the commencement of 14 road projects."...

"This ... effectively brings forward a total of $4.7 billion in the Auslink 11 program," Mr Rudd said.

In other words, Kevin is "announcing" stuff that's already in the pipeline.

Complete and utter charlatan.

Fiona: It might just be a pollie thing, Eliot. I well remember similar two-steps between John Howard and Peter Costello.

Feminist theatre and jute handicraft workshops

Alga Kavanagh: "If people with actual working brains were ruining this country, they would shut down all polluting industry at the same time they opened up non polluting alternative and transitional industries."

No disrespect, Alga, but one of the most endearing things about environmentalists is their touchingly naive assumption that you can "shut down all polluting industry" at the same time as opening up "non polluting alternatives".

Sure, if by that you mean "we will shut down this aluminium smelter, say, and replace it with the non-polluting feminist theatre and jute handicraft workshop". That can be done.

But if you mean to shut down the aluminium smelter and replaces it with a non-polluting aluminium smelter, that might not happen at "the same time".

Not around the grown-ups' table, anyway. In fact, probably not ever...

Here's where the stuffing is kept...

This is tantamount to saying "After Christmas, it won't be only the turkey that's stuffed."....

Here's where the stuffing is kept:

 About 300,000 Australian households could face "negative equity" next year — owing more money to lenders than their house is worth — if prices fall by 10 per cent as predicted.

Modelling by RMIT's Housing and Urban Research Institute suggests that about 4 per cent of Australia's 8.5 million households could next year see the value of their property fall below what they owe on it.

That is likely to get worse rather than better.

So far, those most affected are "working Australians" and so definitely not part of Kevin's constituency.

But if "negative equity" starts catching on in places like Clayfield, Haberfield, Glen Iris, Glenelg, Peppermint Grove...

The revolving door syndrome of the lib/lab coaition

The interview and transcript shows the truth of Rudd the dud and Turnbull is just a laugh a second of incompetent blundering. The Lib/lab coalition always puts their real cards on the table after lying and deceiving the people, but as with merry go round societies, it just comes around again and the elite fool the gullible to vote for their lies and deceit.

What's most interesting, is all these people believe in god, maybe people will one day actually wake up from their revolving door lives and see the root of all evil on the planet, is ideological religions and the worst of all is those who follow the despotic Abrahamic cults associated with the mythical god of war yahweh.

If people with actual working brains were ruining this country, they would shut down all polluting industry at the same time they opened up non polluting alternative and transitional industries. They would introduce legislative approaches which reduce peoples living, health, energy and fuel costs whilst repairing the environment and saving resources for the future, instead of greedily consuming them for the monetary gain of the elite. There would be no jobs lost, there would actually be more, the only difference is the balance of power would be moved from the elitists and into the hands of the people and the future.

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