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Winning or losing the War on Terror?

A recent article in the Economist asks are we winning or losing the “global war on terror:

Nearly seven years into America’s “global war on terror”, the result remains inconclusive. Al-Qaeda lost a safe haven in Afghanistan, but is rebuilding another one in Pakistan; Mr bin Laden is at large, but Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who masterminded September 11th, has gone on trial in Guantánamo Bay; many leaders have been captured or killed, but others have taken their place; al-Qaeda faces an ideological backlash, but young Muslims still volunteer to blow themselves up.

This month we have seen some changes in the “war on terror”, with the hint of a troop withdrawal in Iraq. However, an escalation of violence in Afghanistan has led the US general in charge to ask for a least a doubling of the troops required to conduct operations:

Yesterday, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs acknowledged publicly what has been said quietly for a long time – our focus on Iraq is hurting our efforts in Afghanistan. Admiral Mullen said "I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq." This admission, taken with Admiral Mullen’s past comment that "In Afghanistan, we do what we can…In Iraq, we do what we must," is a clear sign that the Bush administration has failed to prioritize the war in Afghanistan and has pushed our military to its limits. Urgent action is required that returns Afghanistan, as well as Pakistan, to the center of our counterterrorism policy and provides the troops and resources that the mission requires.

While Iraq has been the main focus of the so-called “war on terror” Al-Qaeda has been regrouping in Pakistan and with renewed strength is putting enormous pressure on the US troops in Afghanistan. At the same time Israel and the US still threaten military action against Iran. With the US struggling in Afghanistan how would they support expanded military operations into Iran and Pakistan?

It is hard to imagine a victory of any sort for the US in either Iraq or Afghanistan. As long as the troops remain in Iraq or Afghanistan the threat of the war expanding into Iran or Pakistan is enormous. The Iraq and Afghanistan civilian populations are paying a bloody price, with civilian casualties being reported nearly everyday. While war rages it is impossible to build the necessary infrastructure such as hospitals and schools. More young Muslims are being led to join the ranks of Al-Qaeda as a result of the suffering.

Deepak Tripathi, a former BBC correspondent in Kabul, has been following events unfolding in Afghanistan since the communist takeover in 1978. He has been a reporter in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Syria. He has written extensively on Afghanistan and South Asia in various international publications, including The Economist and The Daily Telegraph, London. In a recent study conducted for the Observer Research Foundation, Dialectics of the Afghanistan conflict: How the country became a terrorist haven, former BBC correspondent Tripathi writes:

The American-led invasion of Iraq overthrew the regime of Saddam Hussein, but it also dismantled the entire state structure of the country.

The break-up of Iraqi national institutions – the armed forces, the police and the administrative system – was violent and sudden and alternatives were tentative and slow to emerge. The dialectic started by the US-led invasion created stubborn resistance to the occupation forces, polarised Iraqi society and created a culture in which Iraqis found themselves in conflict with fellow Iraqis and militant Islamic groups were drawn to Iraq to fight the occupation forces.

Parallels can be seen in Palestine, in Lebanon and other places, where social and institutional frailties, combined with outside intervention, fuel a dialectic of violence which, in time, becomes part of the culture. Violent players and their victims become used to coercion, their thinking and behaviour driven by the perceived justification for, or expectation of, use of force to resolve matters. Players and victims may be different in each place. What triggers a cycle of violence is unique and where events will lead to may be unknown. Still, where the appropriate agents are present, a violent dialectic and terror are close companions.

The presence of foreign troops provides an excuse for violence. The sooner the troops are withdrawn the faster the chance of some kind of peace being returned.

Even if that peace comes by the leadership of a strongman lacking in democratic principles, it is still better than constant war.

The best way the democratic world can help is through the provision of aid and the constant pushing of human rights through trade and the UN.

The only way to win the “war on terror” is to be less willing ourselves to use terror to win a political victory. The war on terror will be won when all terrorists – including those financed by democratic governments – are brought to justice in the International Criminal Court.

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Richard, mixing drinks I know about ---well, knew about at one time. But mixing bands?

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A great read

An excellent article. As you would expect.

Thanks.

Good old Hitch...

Nice to see Hitchens retains the “faith”. To the end as all warriors do.

The hyperbolic excesses aside, the bloke remains the master of the circular argument. That the invasion of Iraq has caused much of what he describes as a “bonanza in oil prices”, leading to Iraq’s budget surplus, seems to escape him. This, evidently, occurred in a vacuum and is the result of perspicacious war planners who always knew Iraq’s post debacle largesse – delivered by a totally unrelated spike in oil prices – would pay for its reconstruction. Even if that largesse resulted some five years and some 500 plus billion dollars of direct US budget expenditure later.

And so we should all slap Paul Wolfowitz on the back? Gimme a break. This bloke was telling us – in that self same testimony that Hitchens holds up – that Iraq had fabulous wealth and that a costing approaching 95 billion a year for the war were “way off the mark”:

Mr. Wolfowitz spent much of the hearing knocking down published estimates of the costs of war and rebuilding, saying the upper range of $95 billion was too high, and that the estimates were almost meaningless because of the variables. Moreover, he said such estimates, and speculation that postwar reconstruction costs could climb even higher, ignored the fact that Iraq is a wealthy country, with annual oil exports worth $15 billion to $20 billion. "To assume we're going to pay for it all is just wrong," he said.

Well Mr Hitchens, divide 500 billion by five and what do you get? How much exactly has Iraq contributed to that in the meantime? How long might a paper 79 billion surplus – if all poured into American coffers – take to repay that “investment”? And that’s simply the money directly budgeted for the war. Not to mention that the entire idea presented by Hitchens' saint was that this war would be over in no time flat and that troops and money would not be something we should tax ourselves with because we were to welcomed as liberators:

Mr. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, opened a two-front war of words on Capitol Hill, calling the recent estimate by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki of the Army that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq, "wildly off the mark." Pentagon officials have put the figure closer to 100,000 troops. Mr. Wolfowitz then dismissed articles in several newspapers this week asserting that Pentagon budget specialists put the cost of war and reconstruction at $60 billion to $95 billion in this fiscal year.

Shinseki was, of course, entirely correct. Wolfowitz was as misguided there as he was with the cost and the duration. Hitchens though believes the world should apologise. Have another scotch old boy.

'Surely it is those who opposed every step of this emancipation, rather than those who advocated it, who should be asked to explain and justify themselves. -Hitchens

Fine: as long as we agree on the reasons. I, for one, do not subscribe to Hitchens’ rosy view that this war was one fought for the removal of a “luridly sadistic and aggressive Saddam Hussein” and for the benefit of the Iraqi people. Spare me. This war was fought for different reasons. The aims of the architects were not achieved in the manner or timeframe they’d assumed. They are, in fact, yet to be fully attained. At bottom, there was not ever any urgent need to invade Iraq: it was in no position to threaten any nation with its weapons of minimal destruction. Even Hitchens has to accede to the fact that it “played games” – games that policing agencies reported to an administration thoroughly unwilling to hear.

As to Hitchens’ claim that Iraq no longer “plays host to international terrorist groups”, what does he think has been happening these past five years? Aside from the much publicised (for obvious reasons) “family bonus” for the odd suicide bomber, Iraq has no demonstrated history of hosting “international terrorist groups”.

Makes good rhetoric though.

Just a last word on the bloke Hitchens would have us apologise to:

He said there was no history of ethnic strife in Iraq, as there was in Bosnia or Kosovo. He said Iraqi civilians would welcome an American-led liberation force that "stayed as long as necessary but left as soon as possible," but would oppose a long-term occupation force.

How catastrophically wrong. The first betrays a complete lack of understanding of the ethno-religious make-up of the region (and its internecine hatreds); the later a complete ignorance of the area’s history. It, like Iran, would not ever abide occupation – for a day, a week or a year. And this is a man Hitchens would have us canonise?

Hitchens also makes much of these “new” discoveries of oil in Iraq. Please tell. Where might these be?? Without any evidence (in the article) I rather suspect that that these “new” discoveries are nothing of the sort. These are known fields that have yet to be exploited. Iraq’s oil – prior invasion – flowed quite well and new fields were not in desperate need of extraction. I’d bet that Hitchens’ “new discoveries” are listed in this report. As is the argument that demolishes Iraq’s need to submit to PSAs to extract its oil. That’s another subject though.

Father Park

The name of the game

Michael Park: I take it from your post that you do not agree with Hitchens.

The broad point that Hitchens makes is that good news from Iraq does not make it into the press. Another round of bomb outrages would be all over the front pages of the world.

You say:

"This war was fought for different reasons. The aims of the architects were not achieved in the manner or timeframe they’d assumed. They are, in fact, yet to be fully attained. At bottom, there was not ever any urgent need to invade Iraq: it was in no position to threaten any nation with its weapons of minimal destruction. Even Hitchens has to accede to the fact that it “played games” – games that policing agencies reported to an administration thoroughly unwilling to hear."

Back in 2003, each of us in Australia had a political choice: either to support Howard, who in turn supported Bush, or to oppose Howard and Bush, and thus inevitably and inescapably, support Saddam Hussein. If one supported Howard and Bush, one supported an aggressive war; if Saddan Hussein, one supported one of the worst tyrants of all human history. Not an easy choice.

Whichever side one opted for, there was always the opportunity and the temptation to present the opposing side as having moral weakness underlying its choice. (BTW I claim to have never fallen into that trap.) Before the invasion, the antiwar camp pointed to the fact that a UN decision was not being waited for, and that it was clearly an illegal war of aggression on the CoW side. Subsequently, that the troops were covering a takeover of Iraq's oil by a favoured few companies, chiefly Halliburton, to which US Vice President Cheney had a strong connection.

The pro-war side laid emphasis on Saddam's undeniable record of WMD use, his past wars, and the undeniable hell-hole that was Iraq under his tyranny. There was also the side-show: the self-serving antics of the MP for Bethnal Green, George Galloway. Hitchens keeps that ball rolling today.

Because of the oil, it suited the US to intervene in the civil war Iraq (and please do not reply that there was no civil war before 2003.) Not so in Darfur, where the principle of national sovereignty is respected, allowing the Sudanese government to preside over the selective mass extermination of its subjects. There is a lot of oil in Darfur, but it would bring the US into direct conflict with China to intervene there. So its approach is different.

A while ago in Sydney I had a discussion of the Iraq war with an old friend, who happens also to be a leftist journalist. I said in passing “when someone like Saddam Hussein gets into a fight with someone like George W Bush, my instinct is to support Bush.” My friend was quite shocked by this. “No,” he said. “You must support Saddam Hussein.”

Which most, but not all, of the Left did.

There you have it. In a nutshell.

Michael Park: I take it....

Michael Park: I take it from your post that you do not agree with Hitchens.

Then you have taken too much, Ian MacDougall. It might be safely said that I disagree with  his rehabilitation of Wolfowitz's legacy in this regard. I particularly find little need to apologise to said Wolfowitz. The record is clear: the man fundamentally stuffed it from go to whoa. He had help, of course, but to claim that a paper surplus of 79b over five years after the events somehow makes Wolfwowitz prescient is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h.

Wolfowitz got it all arse up in 2002/3; continued to get it arse up and stoutly defended his arse up view of the country and the war. That juxtaposing of Bosnia / Kosovo and Iraq is a standout example. The entire view of Wolfowitz and the others was neatly summed up in Bush's egregious "Mission accomplished" stunt. They truly thought it was and that their "vision" had played out perfectly. Iraq would shortly thereafter begin financing its own rehabilitation and construction. They only had ears for themselves - like most zealots.

Hitchens is right, of course, in that bad news will always outdo the good. That is exactly the way the news services work. Further, given it has been so bad for so long it is possibly becoming a little difficult to flip the switch; many being so used to seeing the negative. In any case, a good murderous explosion will always trump a surplus.

...either to support Howard, who in turn supported Bush, or to oppose Howard and Bush, and thus inevitably and inescapably, support Saddam Hussein.

I believe you might need to run that silly game by someone who'll play. It was not ever that straightforward; such things rarely are. Such a stark either / or proposition does allow one the leverage to  "present the opposing side as having moral weakness underlying its choice."  Far be it for me to suggest that you raised this so as to accuse me of supporting "one of the worst tyrants of all human history" like "most of the left did".

My own view - as stated earlier - is that the urgency about "settling" Iraq (mushroom clouds, terrorists, brutal dictator, liberation of the Iraqi people...) was a convenient cover for other ambitions and aims. Philip II of Macedon and his son, Alexander, just as neatly covered their Macedonian imperialism and lebensraum in the Persian east as a war "of revenge".  The removal of Saddam, the "liberation" of the Iraqi people and the bringing of democracy and the "freedoms that we in the west enjoy " were window dressing of a similar make for the US. They were not the reasons for the unseemly rush. The result was that the dust hadn't even risen to its greatest height in Afghanistan when the US, like a teenage boy tiring of his computer game, turned eyes southwest to a far juicier target of opportunity. Hence Afghanistan is presenting the problems it now does.  

Any who labour under the impression that Iran will be any different need to read its history ( a good potted version here). The "mad Mullahs" is just a more recent overlay. Iranians have a strong sense of their history and their past. There still resides a simmering resentment at their last "fall" - to the Arabs. The attempted eradication of their language (the preservation of which they ascribe - almost like holy writ - to Ferdowsi), culture and history still rankles. The mad mullahs may well hold the apparatus of power but the people are steeped in a proud cultural history eencompassing Achaemenids as well as Sassanids and Parthians. I rather suspect a similar project in Iran will make Iraq look like pre-school.

Father Park

Sorry, Michael. No room for two bob each way.

Michael Park: "...either to support Howard, who in turn supported Bush, or to oppose Howard and Bush, and thus inevitably and inescapably, support Saddam Hussein." [quote from me]

"I believe you might need to run that silly game by someone who'll play. It was not ever that straightforward; such things rarely are. Such a stark either / or proposition does allow one the leverage to  'present the opposing side as having moral weakness underlying its choice.'  Far be it for me to suggest that you raised this so as to accuse me of supporting 'one of the worst tyrants of all human history' like 'most of the left did'." [Quote from you in response to the above quote from me.]

 I assume then that you opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2003. That was, after all, the choice. Support or oppose. There was no third way, and no fence to sit on. I'm sorry, but however complex you care to present the whole thing as being, at the end of the proverbial day it reduced to that simple either/or proposition. That was what made it 'straightforward'. Sorry once again, but such issues often are. Vietnam was another case. So was East Timor. So was the Falklands War. At the end of the day, they were all support/oppose an intervention.

That was what made it so difficult in the case of Iraq. It was Saddam vs Bush/Cheney/Halliburton.

We now know the cost of intervening against the Taliban in Afghanistan. We also know the cost of intervening in Iraq. What we don't know is the cost of doing neither, and that is unknowable. But I cannot imagine how a series of wins for Islamic fascism could make it a better world.

As for military action against Iran, I have never favoured that, and would oppose it even if it was led by Jesus Christ himself.  I have said that all along. One only has to take a stroll through any shopping district in Tehran, Isfahan or any other Iranian town and look as I have looked at the photographs of sons lost to the war with Saddam's invading armies to see the cost to the Iranian people.

The mullahs are bad enough. But not one of them is a Saddam Hussein.

Yet.

Assuming too much

 I assume then that you opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

You assume and take much, Ian. I opposed the invasion on its stated grounds: they were a fiction devised to cloak realpolitik in "feelgood" bullshit. I don't know how many different ways I can say it. I do not neccessarily blame the US for it - it is doing what any hegemon, feeling its balls, does. Does that make it right? Of course it does: no one can resist it.

That was, after all, the choice. Support or oppose.

 As I wrote earlier: find another to play that either/or Saddam game. Leave off. The fact of the matter was that we had no urgent need to deal with Iraq. We were heavily involved with Afghanistan and decided to deal with a threat that was hugely manufactured. You need to ask why. The result is a mess in Afghanistan - the state that Tony Blair declared the "West will not abandon" this time. Empty Anglo-American bullshit as it turned out.

We now know the cost of intervening against the Taliban in Afghanistan. We also know the cost of intervening in Iraq. What we don't know is the cost of doing neither, and that is unknowable. But I cannot imagine how a series of wins for Islamic fascism could make it a better world.

You are, it appears, an intelligent man, Ian. That being the case, you might point out to me the demonstrated win for "Islamic fascism" that will have occurred had we left Iraq alone for a bit. If there was one thing the bastard leader of Iraq couldn't abide it was religious fanatics. But then, Dick Cheney would know better, wouldn't he?

I have said that all along. One only has to take a stroll through any shopping district in Tehran, Isfahan or any other Iranian town and look as I have looked at the photographs of sons lost to the war with Saddam's invading armies to see the cost to the Iranian people.

It is a country I have not visited. I envy you your strolling: the salt plains south of Isfahan were host to two of the most climactic battles of the early Hellenistic period. Battles that established the Hellenistic monarchies. The history of Persis (Iran) is rich: its people are well aware of this. Even the CIA-backed Shah remembered what Persepolis meant. That the people, long used to to manipulation, resented the abuse is now "history".

Father Park

Is Salim Hamdan a terrorist or a POW?

This morning a Guantanamo Bay tribunal sentenced Salim Hamdan to five-and-a-half years in jail for providing material support for terrorism.

Taking into account time served, he will be eligible for release in about six months.

But a Pentagon spokesman has confirmed that the Yemeni national will continue to be held as an "enemy combatant".

The Pentagon said before sentencing that Hamdan could be detained for an indefinite period, regardless of the outcome of his trial.

Regardless of the sentence Hamdan has received he will be held in detention for as long as the US likes, because he is an "enemy combatant"

So if he is a POW why are we having show trials? Surely this is against the Geneva Convention.

Article 129

The High Contracting Parties undertake to enact any legislation necessary to provide effective penal sanctions for persons committing, or ordering to be committed, any of the grave breaches of the present Convention defined in the following Article.

Each High Contracting Party shall be under the obligation to search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts. It may also, if it prefers, and in accordance with the provisions of its own legislation, hand such persons over for trial to another High Contracting Party concerned, provided such High Contracting Party has made out a prima facie case.

Each High Contracting Party shall take measures necessary for the suppression of all acts contrary to the provisions of the present Convention other than the grave breaches defined in the following Article.

In all circumstances, the accused persons shall benefit by safeguards of proper trial and defence, which shall not be less favourable than those provided by Article 105 and those following of the present Convention.

Article 130

Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, compelling a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of the hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a prisoner of war of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed in this Convention.

If Hamdan is a terrorist he has been found guilty and should be released in six months time. If he is an "enemy combatant" or a POW, he should not have been charged, and the Geneva Convention applies, protecting him from torture and inhuman treatment. It seems some US officials are in breach of the convention and risk criminal charges.

Countries with nuclear weapons are the real terrorists

While it may no longer capture the popular imagination, we are living in a fool's paradise if we think we're out of the nuclear shadow. The fact is that The Bomb is still very much with us.

The March/April issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists estimates that the United States possesses 5400 nuclear warheads. Of these, the majority — 4075 warheads — are defined as operational. While there are plans to reduce this number by 15% by 2012, this would still leave the US with about 4600 weapons.

According to Joseph Siracusa, professor of global studies at RMIT University, in his recently published book Nuclear Weapons: A Very Short Introduction, about 2000 of the US's weapons are ready to be launched with 15 minutes' warning. More disturbingly still, the power to order a nuclear strike is in the hands of the president alone and need only be justified by considerations of the US's national interest.

The US nuclear stockpile isn't the only menace. Russia's nuclear arsenal alone is large enough to wipe out humanity 29 times. The Nuclear Club's other members include the United Kingdom, China, France, Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea. Then there are the countries such as Iran, whose applications are pending.

The terror of a nuclear war is a threat countries who hold nuclear stockpiles hold over all of us. We send our armies to the middle east to fight "terrorists" with small arms and home made bombs, while the real terrorists sitting in Washington, London, Moscow, Paris and Beijing are threatening to destroy the human race. If a nuclear weapon is not a terror weapon I don't know what is.

No country should hold weapons of mass destruction.

Was the anthrax attacks another reason for Iraq's invasion?

The significance of the anthrax attacks in shaping US policy in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks has largely been forgotten. Enough time has passed since those frenzied days that unmasking the anthrax killer no longer seems to be of urgent importance.

The attacks stopped long ago, and the sense of fear that enveloped the country (and the Western world) — with media personalities gulping the antibiotic Cipro to protect themselves — receded.

But the slowly unfolding attacks — seven separate letters containing the deadly powder were sent to politicians and news organisations over 21 days — greatly amplified the fears of average Americans just weeks after the September 11 attacks.

Were it not for the anthrax attacks, most people would have assumed that the US faced just one enemy, the global terrorist network al-Qaeda, which had a base in Afghanistan and allies in some other countries.

Would the US have invaded Iraq if the anthrax attacks had not occurred? Did the US need the anthrax attacks to justify the invasion of Iraq? Now that we know some of the truth behind the anthrax attacks, we should ask: did the mad scientist act alone or was he under orders? Now that he has conveniently committed suicide we will never know.

Another leak

[From Antony Loewenstein]

Chaos limited

So, the Iraq war was launched by the Bush administration thanks to a forged letter (according to a new book in the US). And now, due to Wikileaks, more essential background:

“The legal basis for the war itself was, and still is, controversial. There is a military need, at least, at the outset of operations to reinforce the legal base for deployment by clear, unequivocal and timely direction and explanation.”

So states a leaked UK military report into the Iraq war released to the public by Wikileaks. The sensitive 108 page report, written in late 2006, damns UK and US war planning, which “ran counter to potential Geneva Convention obligations” — and lead directly to the post invasion collapse of Iraqi society:

“leaders should not start an operation without thinking…it is not enough just to identify the desired end-state”.

The report reveals that Whitehall had been secretly planning the war during 2002. In fact, the Blair government was so paranoid about leaks that it kept the pending invasion (”TELIC”) secret from all but an inner circle of officers and officials until three months before the start of hostilities:

“In Whitehall, the internal OPSEC (operational security) regime, in which only very small numbers of officers and officials were allowed to become involved in TELIC business, constrained broader planning for combat operations and subsequent phases effectively until 23 December 2002.”

Although the UK wanted UN security council approval, the UK found itself roped to a US ideological agenda and timetable:

“the UK had to work to a timetable and strong ideological views set in the United States. As one Senior Officer put it: ‘the train was in Grand Central Station, and was leaving at a time which we did not control’”

500 US Dead in Afghanistan's "Operation Enduring Freedom"

On July 22, nearly seven years after the conflict began on Oct. 7, 2001, the United States lost its 500th soldier in the Afghanistan war.

(The Pentagon says that 563 American service members have died in Operation Enduring Freedom, the umbrella term for the global American-led antiterror campaign that has the Afghanistan war at its center and includes deployments in the Philippines and Africa. Of those deaths, according to an analysis by The New York Times, 510 have occurred in Afghanistan or are directly linked to the war there.)

The risk of losing Afghanistan is very real.

NATO commanders have said they need at least three more brigades — more than 7,500 troops — to turn the conflict decisively in the American-led coalition’s favor. And numerous analysts, international study groups and nongovernmental organizations have warned that in the absence of a redoubled commitment by the United States’ allies, the American-led coalition’s chances of success look poor.

“Afghanistan is not lost, but the signs are not good,” said the International Crisis Group, a nonpartisan group that tries to prevent global conflict, in a February report. “As a reinvigorated insurgency threatens the gains that have been made, and Western capitals, pressured by publics unwilling to accept military casualties, begin to explore endgames and exit strategies, the risk of losing Afghanistan is very real.”

The death toll in Afghanistan continues to climb, and many think the chances of success look very poor.

"Operation Enduring Freedom"

"As this embed report reveals, the situation in Afghanistan is steadily deteriorating. In the past 12 months, over 6,000 Afghans have been killed. Troops are struggling to win over a hostile population.

"How do you turn a communities from bad to good?" ponders Lt Col Woods. Six years after the invasion, the rhetoric has changed. Soldiers no long talk about wiping out the Taliban or hunting down terrorists. Now, the buzz words are tactics of counter insurgency.

"We have to look constantly at ways to do it better and do it differently", states Woods. It's a difficult challenge."

Freedom will be a long time coming for the people of Afghanistan.

Full circle

"In the morass that is Afghanistan, not just the Taliban are flourishing. So too is opium production, which increasingly finances the group’s activities."

Hey, remember when the logic for not intervening against the Taliban was that they were keeping opium crops down?

Time flies, doesn't it?

Medical text book censored because of gruesome photos.

the first guidebook of new techniques for American battlefield surgeons to be published while the wars it analyzes are still being fought.Its 83 case descriptions from 53 battlefield doctors are clinical and bone dry, but the gruesome photographs illustrate the grim nature of today’s wars, in which more are hurt by explosions than by bullets, and body armor leaves many alive but maimed....
“I’m ashamed to say that there were folks even in the medical department who said, Over my dead body will American civilians see this,” said Dr. David E. Lounsbury, one of the book’s three authors. Dr. Lounsbury, 58, an internist and retired colonel, took part in the 1991 and 2003 invasions of Iraq and was the editor of military medicine textbooks at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
The US military has tried to censor a guidebook which shows new techniques used by battlefield surgeons. It claims the photos are too horrific to be shown to the public. So much for freedom of the press in the US. In a democracy if we do not understand the true nature of war how are we meant to make our decisions on the continued use of military power?

Taliban and opium production are flourishing in Afghanistan

In the morass that is Afghanistan, not just the Taliban are flourishing. So too is opium production, which increasingly finances the group’s activities. There is no easy way to end this narcotics threat, a symptom of wider instability. Even a wise and coordinated plan of attack would take years to bear real results. But the United States and the rest of the international community are failing to develop one.
It is obvious that the NATO forces in Afghanistan are losing the war. The Taliban are flourishing and opium production is financing terror throughout the world. Unless we take action to remove the opium money we will not win the war. We must get serious or get out.

Reply to Ernest William ...

"Was the hatred of the Jewish people by the Nazis really because of their religion - or the Nazi doctrine of removing any perceived threat to their "perfect society"? And was it the only hatred?"

The Nazi genocide of the Jews had nothing to do with religion. It is of course true that centuries of theological antisemitism, based on the "Christ-killers" myth and vicious blood libels, helped set the stage, as did the sneering antisemitism of the type you have referred to. But it took the lunatic genius of Hitler to lift antisemitism to an altogether new level.

The Nazis murdered every Jew they could get their hands on. They got a lot of help finding them. You will know that a piece of Great Britain was occupied during the war. The Channel Islands. Even there they managed to ferret out a few English Jews, including from memory a young woman. They died along with the rest. It takes no imagination at all to see what would have happened to England's 200,000 or 300,000 Jews had the Nazis invasion plans succeeded.

The Nazis defined who was a Jew. One eighth ancestry was enough. Converting to another religion made no difference. In the Warsaw Ghetto there was a Catholic Church catering for the needs of Catholics who were former Jews. Nearly all were Catholics long before the war and had converted usually because of a Catholic spouse. They were all deported to the death camps along with the rest.

This thing had nothing to do with religion.

Geoff - re your reply

G'day Geoff,

Without insulting you with research of my own, I take you at your word.

I also request that you take my comments as a meaningful effort to understand the sixty year campaign against the ghosts of the Nazi Reich while excusing the similar activities by the new Israel. One does not excuse the other and the constant American pro-Jewish stance only makes people think and reason about the real issues of today.

However, with logic alone I cannot completely accept your explanation as to "This thing had nothing to do with religion".

Races to me are identified by the origin of their ancestors - are they not?

Wouldn't this mean that the murder of Jews from all occupied countries, even with the "one eighth ancestry" - as you point out, would be an admission by the Nazis that what they hated could be bred out?

Does this mean then that people in those countries which had changed their religion to Jewish over the previous seven generations, would therefore be left alone, without victimisation? Or does it still mean that a true Jew is one born of a Jewish mother?

You obviously have a good grasp on the history of this subject, Geoff, so is it true that the hatred (and persecution) of the Jewish people goes well back to at least the beginning of Christianity?

These people survived and prospered, all over the world. Nevertheless, they maintained their religion and its teachings? Was it really just the "mortar"?

We are told that the new Israel - born through terrorism - does not acknowledge that Arab nations are also Semite - yet Webster's Dictionary quotes Semite as:"1. a person regarded as descended from Shem; 2. a member of any of the peoples speaking a Semitic language, including the Hebrews, Arabs, Assyrians, Phoenicians, etc. 3. same as Jew, a loose usage."

So I think that claiming only Hebrews are Semites is contrary to history.

While we have some stories of ancient Judah and Solomon, we also have many such as Shylock and Midas. Likewise, we have stories of ancient Egypt and several empires of that area of the world over the centuries.

So I cannot come to terms with the contemporary Israelis committing similar crimes against humanity, as they themselves suffered under Hitler.

The concentration of the world media on the "Holocaust" of the 1940's has given a singular and misleading meaning of: "2. great or total destruction of life, esp. by fire".

To the best of my recollection, Geoff, the people cremated in the Nazi crematoriums were deceased - starved or murdered - but deceased. Whether they were Hebrews, Gypsies, political prisoners, or the "untermenschen" Russians. Therefore their lives were not "...totally destroyed by fire" as indeed were millions of bombed civilians all over England, Europe and Asia.

I have also been unable to learn how Jewish servicemen and women who fought against the Nazis were treated after capture. Can you enlighten me?

Cheers Geoff.

Ern G.

Richard: Ernest (good to see you round again, cuz), they were on their way to the furnaces long before they died...

For now

I have also been unable to learn how Jewish servicemen and women who fought against the Nazis were treated after capture.  Can you enlighten me?

A good question. Here is some source material to go on with. I'll address this and the other issues you have raised some more when I have more time.

  • About one and a half million Jewish soldiers fought in the Allied Forces.
  • Jews fought in the following armies: The Soviet Union, USA, Poland, Great Britain (including the Jewish Brigade), Australia, New-Zealand, Canada, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, South-Africa, Czechoslovakia, Greece and Yugoslavia
  • Between 30- 40,000 Jews fought as partisans or in the underground.
  • About 250,000 Jewish soldiers were killed in the war.
  • 200,000 Jewish soldiers were taken as POWs by the Germans.
  • Over 100,000 Jewish soldiers of the Red Army were taken as POWs and almost no one remained alive.
  • 40,000 Jews from Eretz Yisrael were drafted into the British Army – 5,000 of them into the Jewish Brigade.  All and all, 668 of them died in the war.

Reply to "For Now"

G'day Geoff. Whatever you are - my friend - you are not a B/S artist.

Thank you sincerely for your comprehensive reply.

I ask myself are these statistics of one race or religion necessary?

I am inclined to be convinced by your figures Geoff - if only because they would surely be compiled out of pride or, in the real or perceived necessary defense of a people?

That is sad.

 My interest is because of the conflicting opinions and descriptions of the Jewish people that have influenced history over centuries.

As an interesting factor Geoff - when the treatment of allied prisoners of war was recorded as in accordance with the Geneva Convention - did that apply to Jewish servicemen and women also?

Taliban only need to outlast NATO forces.

The mounting toll inflicted by the insurgents, including nine American soldiers killed in a single attack last month, has turned Afghanistan into a deadlier battlefield than Iraq and refocused the attention of America’s military commanders and its presidential contenders on the Afghan war.

But the objectives of the war have become increasingly uncertain in a conflict where Taliban leaders say they do not feel the need to control territory, at least for now, or to outfight American and NATO forces to defeat them — only to outlast them in a region that is in any case their home.

The stupidity of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions is the fact that all the Taliban and Al Qeda only have to wait for the NATO to leave. 

Hero joins caravan of martyrs - another Al Qaeda triumph

Al Qaeda has confirmed the death of a chemical and biological weapons expert whose killing in a suspected United States strike was reported by Pakistan, an Islamist militant website said.

Abu Khabab al-Masri was among a group of "heroes" who joined "the caravans of martyrs," said a statement signed by Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, who is Al Qaeda's general commander in Afghanistan.

The man needed killing ...

"Residents said a US drone launched the attack."

Good work. Very good work indeed.

taking the bait

Geoff Pahoff: "...A US drone launched the attack".

What,  Bush or  Cheney?

Iran and Afghanistan demonstrate Western impotence

They also underline the comprehensive failure of Anglo-American foreign policy. At the time of the invasion of Iraq, no thought was given to the idea that Western economic power was on the wane.

Never underestimate the ability of political leaders to misread history on a monumental scale. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have both served to hasten Western decline: they have both failed to achieve their objectives and in the process demonstrated an underlying Western impotence.

Martin Jacques in this morning's Age.

The last decade has shown us that the era of Anglo-American dominance has ended. We are moving into a very different world with Western economic and military power continuing to decline. We have to learn to work in cooperation with new players on the block: the BRIC. (Brazil, Russia, India and China).

So much for the "end of history".

what I suggested had come to an end was not the occurrence of events, even large and grave events, but History: that is, history understood as a single, coherent, evolutionary process, when taking into account the experience of all peoples in all times. This understanding of History was most closely associated with the great German philosopher G. W. F. Hegel. It was made part of our daily intellectual atmosphere by Karl Marx, who borrowed this concept of History from Hegel, and is implicit in our use of words like “primitive” or “advanced,” “traditional” or “modern,” when referring to different types of human societies. For both of these thinkers, there was a coherent development of human societies from simple tribal ones based on slavery and subsistence agriculture, through various theocracies, monarchies, and feudal aristocracies, up through modern liberal democracy and technologically driven capitalism. This evolutionary process was neither random nor unintelligible, even if it did not proceed in a straight line, and even if it was possible to question whether man was happier or better off as a result of historical “progress.” Both Hegel and Marx believed that the evolution of human societies was not open-ended, but would end when mankind had achieved a form of society that satisfied its deepest and most fundamental longings. Both thinkers thus posited an “end of history”: for Hegel this was the liberal state, while for Marx it was a communist society.

Yeah Alan

Gaza and the West Bank are prisons in their own right.    

Israel a short chapter in Arabian history.

David Ben Gurion, who would lead the Yishuv (the Jewish community in Palestine) and go on to be the first Prime Minister of Israel, told a meeting of the governing body of the Jewish Yishuv in 1919 "But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question...We as a nation, want this country to be ours, the Arabs as a nation, want this country to be theirs."

I think David Ben Gurion got it right. What Israel has to come to terms with is that the Jewish community is a minority in a very Arab part of the world. It needs to find a solution or it will not last another 50 years. Global power is shifting; Arab countries are being enriched by petro dollars. Israel's friends are getting weaker. Israel needs to find a peaceful solution equitable to all or it will become a short chapter in Arab history.

Tell us something we don't know.

I agree Ben Gurion was pretty much on the money. But let me give you a tip, John.

You will never impress a Jew by pointing out Jews are a minority.

Geoff - Please tell ME something I don't know.

G'day Geoff,

As a youngster, I remember a lot of "reported" happenings in WW2, many of which I came to learn, were pure propaganda.  "Love us - hate them".  Both sides played it to the hilt.

America learned from the "Goebbels" Nazis and have refined it to their personal benefit.

However, we see even today, movies and stories which depict the Jewish people as pure money grabbers who interfere with the principle that "money makes the world go round" by somehow syphoning from that "circle" at every vantage point.

"Give a dog a bad name" is a truism Geoff, just as "mud sticks".

Then, like all adages, there are contrary examples.

There is no doubt in my mind that the people we see in the images of Nazi concentration camps for political, Jewish, Gypsie, "untermenschen"  and Russian inmates, was inhumane in the extreme.

I also believe that there has been a concerted effort by the "powers that be", since WW2, to keep demanding from the world that we have a debt to the Jewish people for their suffering at the hands of the Nazis.

I cannot come to terms with that, Geoff.

The claim of genocide bears scrutiny when you think about it.

We are told that the estimated six million Jews were taken from their homes in the occupied and Nazi complicit countries to concentration camps for extermination.

It seems to me that, using the elimination of the Jewish people per se, which was a part of the Nazi extermination of the "lesser peoples", then the rounding up of these innocent  people could not have been based on their nationalities.

Therefore, the common thread was possibly their religion?

Since that would be "sectarian" by definition, how do we arrive at the claim of "genocide"?

Geoff, your question prompted me to ask doubts that  I have long mused over.

My questions to you are: 

Was the hatred of the Jewish people by the Nazis really because of their religion - or the Nazi doctrine of  removing any perceived  threat to their "perfect society"? And was it the only hatred?

Wiser people than me have said "by any other name" but, our society has refined our language to give at least a perceived judgement of our societies.

I will respect your answer Geoff.

Cheers Ern G.

Iran has the right to engage in uranium enrichment.

In a statement published on the Iranian president's website, Mr Ahmadinejad said: "In whichever negotiation we take part... it is unequivocally with the view to the realisation of Iran's nuclear right, and the Iranian nation would not retreat one iota from its rights."

He said that international agreements meant Iran, like every other country, had the right to engage in uranium enrichment and possess nuclear power stations.

The problem with human rights and the rights of a nation is that they should be universal. If one believes in the right to free speech one should believe that everyone has the right to free speech. This is where the current stance on uranium enrichment is wrong. If one country has the right to enrich uranium then all countries have the right to enrich uranium. Might is right is not the best way to instill good values on anyone. If the world wants to ban nuclear weapons then the ban should be universal.

There should be no second class citizens or nations.

No Idea Whatsoever

"... that a good proportion of older Israelis remember living and being friends with people now being brutalised and demonised ..."

What is it with you guys? Don't you know anything about the history of this region you are  so quick to pontificate about?

Here's the dope. A good proportion of older Israelis remember having to fight with their lives to save their country and people from anniliation. Not just once. They remember living constantly under terrorist threat from  thugs who control their own people through carefully nurtured cradle to grave hatred of Jews. They remember the massacres of Jews everywhere from the roads to Jerusalem to Hebron to Gaza and the heights. They remember the blood curdling threats. They remember the cowardly betrayals of Britain and the UN. They remember the breathtaking hypocrisy of the Europeans and their sneering latent antisemitism.

Most of all they remember the friends and kin butchered and maimed in perhaps the stupidest and most unnecessary conflict in all of history. And they remember a lot of other stuff too.

Don't you try telling me what a good proportion of older Israelis remember, Peter Hindrup. The truth is you have no idea. With respect.

Reality

Iran does not have nuclear weapons and no matter how often Israel bleats about it the Ayotallah will not allow them.

Iran has not invaded, attacked, or occupied another country for hundreds of years.

Israel has ethnically cleansed Palestine, attacked Egypt in two pre-emptive strikes and occupied the Sinai, it has attacked Syria and stolen the Golan Heights. It occuppies the West Bank and keeps rule over everything in Gaza.

It has attacked and occupied Lebanon for over 20 of the last 30 years, slaughtered tens of thousands and tortured thousands.

It is believed that every Palestinian man has been imprisoned illegally by Israel at least once in their lives over the last 60 years and all of the settlements are illegal.

Now get a grip on reality.

Reality

Marilyn Shepherd: " It is believed that every Palestinian man has been imprisoned illegally by Israel at least once in their lives over the last 60 years."

With this statement you have really outdone yourself. Of course you can prove what you have just said...

Open, unserviced prisons

Marilyn, I would have thought that every Palestinian living in Palestine is imprisoned.

Pot calling the kettle black.

How best can the blood thirsty half mad genocide threatening fascist scum who run Israel be persuaded to abandon their nuclear weapon program? Alternatively what is the best way to rid the world and the Jewish people of these loopy anti-life ratbags?

Geoff, I have changed just two words in your statement. Can you see how stupid this crap is?

Name calling is going to get us nowhere. Until we show respect for all people and the rights of all sovereign states we are doomed to repeat the follies of the past over and over again.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Thanks John, I don’t consider it worth the effort of acknowledging. I attempted to address this on an earlier occasion, and was not published.

Let us be very clear here. It is no less racist to defend a race, or group, with vitriol, abuse, ridicule and intimidation than it is to attack those same entities with those weapons.

Iran is set to become the dominant force in the Middle East.

Mr Mofaz, known for his hard-line stance on Iran, is a candidate to become Israel's next prime minister.

Current Israeli PM Ehud Olmert has announced he will step down in September.

Speaking on a visit to Washington, Mr Mofaz said it was "unacceptable" for Iran to become a nuclear power.

"Our estimation is that already by [2009] Iran will reach enrichment capability and as soon as 2010 will have option to reach [uranium production] at military levels," he said, according to the AFP news agency.

"It's a race against time and time is winning," the Israeli minister added.

Mr Mofaz says it is unacceptable for Iran to become a nuclear power.

Unacceptable to whom?

Israel still faces at least four major strategic choices: how to resolve the faltering peace talks with the Palestinians, how to deal with the growing power of Hezbollah in Lebanon, whether to maintain the fragmentary ceasefire with Hamas, and above all whether take military action against Iran. And it doesn't much matter who the next prime minister is—or even the next U.S. president: the choices that Israel makes will likely be the same. .....

it's fairly clear that across the political spectrum in the United States and Israel, there is agreement that Iran poses the greatest threat-and that the Jewish state's other options are limited. "Whatever the different [Israeli] candidates say in advance of the campaign, the choices that are going to face them are pretty much the same: 40,000 rockets in the north, military options in Gaza that are limited, the overriding threat that Iran presents, and the question of what's possible with the Palestinians," says Ross.

As Ron Tira, an Israeli security expert, puts it: "If you look at the really big picture, there's not only an Iranian aircraft carrier in Lebanon [Hezbollah], but there's another one 45 kilometers from Tel Aviv in Gaza [Hamas]. With those two Iranian aircraft carriers in place and Iran proceeding with its nuclear program, with the prospect of America withdrawing from Iraq in the next two years, and Iran becoming a dominant force there … Israel is in position where it needs to act unilaterally and pay whatever the cost." Miller adds that these huge problems will remain the same "not only for Olmert's successor but for Bush's."

If Israel acts unilaterally against Iran, we are in for a nightmare scenario in the Middle East. The price of oil will send an already shaky global economy into a nose dive. Israel has to realise it must learn to live with its neighbours. Its big brother, the US, will not be able to protect it forever. Israel has nuclear weapons and it must expect other countries in the region to play catch up.

You will do as I say!

John, I like your posts, and the questions you pose!

Unacceptable to whom?

I look at the  map, think of the people that the Israelis have pissed off, consider the fact that the latest I have seen is that Iranians have rockets with ranges of up to 2000 kilometres.

Were I an Israeli I would be yelling for Tonto!   

Then consider that up to 40 percent of Israelis believe that some sort of accommodation ought to be made with their neighbours, that a good proportion of older Israelis remember living and being friends with people now being brutalised and demonised, and I wonder if the crazies are going to get their way, or will reasonable, normal people prevail?

I sincerely hope that it is the latter!

For starters ...

"Unacceptable to whom?"

John, I really think you should start at the starting point. I'm not trying to sound belligerent here. I am about to state a straight out fact. Not opinion. Fact.

There will never be a nuclear armed Iran. Never. It will not happen. Period.

Surely you don't need an explanation from me to understand this simple basic truth? 

There is only one issue here. How best can the bloodthirsty half mad genocide threatening fascist scum who run Iran be persuaded to abandon their nuclear weapon program? Alternatively what is the best way to rid the world and the Iranian people of these loopy anti-life ratbags?

In short, is it going to be nice or ugly? Very ugly. That's where people like you come in. Get your eye on the ball, John. This is important.

Worry

John Pratt, what you should be worried about at the moment is what is happening at Qantas, a third incident today.

Ever since Sharon Burrows stuck her nose on TV the other day, I suspect these "incidents" are union stunts gone wrong. In view of what has happened in the past couple of weeks, it would probably be better if Qantas had its planes serviced overseas. It seems as though our local engineers are falling down on the job.

Anthrax inside job, more terrorists in the US than Afghanistan

A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

Looks like the terror caused by the anthrax mailings was an inside job.

How many others have access to these dangerous weapons? How good is US psychological testing? It seems we are more at risk from within than from without. There are probably more potential terrorists in the US than in Afghanistan. It just reinforces my contention that the best force to combat terrorism is the police force.

Winter for Poland and France...

Geoff Pahoff, I don't get your point?

That New York Times cover page is perfectly consistent with current UN Human Rights Council practice?

So, what are you driving at, exactly?

The UN is much worse

Current UN Human Rights Council practice is much worse and more dangerous than that. At least the mock NYT page does not directly threaten Jews with genocide.

The UN does. Or at least hosts those that do. Like it did at Durban I. And no doubt will do again at Durban II.

"The United Nations is planning a global anti-racism conference that is destined to encourage racism. Known as Durban II, and to take place in Geneva next April, it follows the notorious anti-semitic hatefest held in Durban seven years ago.

"Canada has already decided not to attend. The United States and Israel are planning to boycott too. Australia is, therefore, faced with an important challenge and opportunity. By refusing to participate, Australia can help deny legitimacy to a global platform for intolerance and deal the voices of hate a blow.

"The UN, in its early years, was the world's best hope for securing peace and security and promoting human rights. However, over time its Human Rights Commission fell into disrepute and in 2006 it was replaced by the Human Rights Council. The cure turned out to be worse than the disease. Council members elected to leadership roles on the committee planning the Durban II anti-racism conference included a Libyan, Cuban and Iranian. In turn, the committee has scheduled its two sessions over major Jewish holidays, thus assuring minimal Jewish attendance. Meetings have heard from Pakistan and Algeria trying to redefine anti-Semitism by saying it targets Arab and Muslims, even though the term was coined by a Jew-hater to mean Jew hatred.

"The group of countries that will be preparing the first draft of the outcome from Durban II has just been announced. It includes such rights-respecting regimes as Azerbaijan, China, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan.

"And they are just warming up. At Durban I gangs of young thugs roamed the precincts of the conference unchallenged, carrying signs such as "For the liberation of Quds, machine guns based upon faith and Islam must be used". They burst into and broke up an official session on anti-Semitism with a chorus of "You are killers. You are killers." Police ordered the Jewish centre in Durban closed for fear of a mob attack."

...

Aren't you proud to be an Australian taxpayer helping to pay for this sort of thing?

Two decades ago in Afghanistan...

John Pratt: "The US has been meddling in the Pakistan and Afghanistan area for at least two decades. They have caused untold suffering to the local population and have achieved nothing."

I know. Afghanistan was a haven of peace and tranquility before 1988.

"Initially Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on August 7, 1978. The final troop withdrawal began on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989."

Yup. A haven of peace and tranquility.

Is the situation any better or is it worse?

Eliot, so what is your point? Do you think the US meddling has made the situation in Afghanistan or Pakistan more stable or has it just been a waste, causing even more death and destruction?

I don't condone any invasion, Russian or US.

Where has US invasion created more peace and tranquility?

CIA links Pakistan's spy service to theTaliban. Blowback!

A top Central Intelligence Agency official traveled secretly to Islamabad this month to confront Pakistan's most senior officials with new information about ties between the country's powerful spy service and militants operating in Pakistan's tribal areas, according to American military and intelligence officials.

The CIA emissary presented evidence showing that members of the spy service had deepened their ties with some militant groups that were responsible for a surge of violence in Afghanistan, possibly including the suicide bombing this month of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, the officials said.

I think the term is "Blowback". It was the CIA that encouraged the Pakistan and the Taliban in the first place.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here. 

"I warned them that we were creating a monster," Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars said at the conference here last week on "Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia."

Six months before the attack on the twin towers the CIA was warned that they were creating a "monster" we now know as the Taliban. The US has been meddling in the Pakistan and Afghanistan area for at least two decades. They have caused untold suffering to the local population and have achieved nothing. The US is now antagonising the population by incursions into and the bombing of Pakistan in an attempt to beat the Taliban into submission.

It is a total stuff up fueled by US incompetence and arrogance. We should realise that we do not have the skills or the power to change the situation on the ground. The longer we stay the greater the risk of destabilising Pakistan and creating even bigger problems for ourselves in the future.

Simple answer

John Pratt: "With the deadline expiring this weekend, Iran show no signs of stopping its nuclear program. There must be a lot of soul searching going on in Israel and Washington. The threat of sanctions doesn't seem to worry the Iranians, but what would happen if Iran stopped exporting oil for a month or two?"

They'd go broke and the country would fall into riotous anarchy.

The leader may be mad, but he aint that mad.

Part 2 soon - for now , the Warsaw Ghetto in Walter World

Iran is determined to enrich uranium

Ayatollah Khamenei’s comments suggest Iran may be preparing to take a hard line on the demands by six nations — United States, Russia, China, France, Britain and Germany — that it stop enriching uranium ahead of a deadline set to expire this weekend. His comments were quoted by state radio, according to news agency reports from Tehran.

On July 19, representatives of the six world powers met with Iranian officials for talks in Geneva. For the first time at such a gathering, a senior United States official took part, although the talks produced no apparent progress on the chief demand: for Iran to stop uranium enrichment.

Iran contends its nuclear program is for peaceful, civilian purposes, but the six powers suspect it may be pursuing nuclear weapons.

With the deadline expiring this weekend, Iran show no signs of stopping its nuclear program. There must be a lot of soul searching going on in Israel and Washington. The threat of sanctions doesn't seem to worry the Iranians, but what would happen if Iran stopped exporting oil for a month or two?

Nations that are used to forcing other nations into meet their demands are not used to being told no.

Hollow threats

John Pratt, it has always perplexed me to see threats of placing an embargo upon one of the biggest suppliers of what is possibly the most valuable commodity in the world -- at present.

Am I missing something, or is it those making the threats who are stupid?

On another point, who responds well to being bullied and threatened as if they were a child -- particularly when you know that you are in the right -- in this case according to law?

Sometimes it seems to me that those who 'are in control' have forgotten what it is to be human. That is if, of course, they ever knew.

Worth a shot

If you look closely at carbon taxes, you'll see the Zionist fingerprints all over them. Only the corrupt msm will never let the people know about.

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