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Moral influence and democracyMoral influence and democracy John Pratt at March 18th on Lyndon Storey’s Recognizing our humanity thread aspires to a miracle, quoting the cooperation of the ant colony – so why can’t we emulate? Ants do not know of danger, or fear. We humans are blessed (or is it cursed?) with knowledge beyond limit. But knowledge creates responsibility, accenting our duty to others, while failure opens the door to guilt and the fear which raises barriers, leading to dislike, to hatred, to cruelty. We are far from emulating the ants in any of our human, fear-traumatised environments. How then can we hope for successful global government and harmony in the world? There’s no doubt that fear destroys empathy, resulting in various arrangements for self defence – politically, socially, from family to friends to factions to parties to nations, to empires – and personally, in diverse religions. Yet it is true that in all of these defensive arrangements, relationships fall over, basically through selfishness. The laws and rules of dogmatic religion designed to keep selfishness in order all tend to failure, as avoidance of conflict becomes a selfish end in itself. Now faith, whatever its basis, is the opposite, and is a hopeful product of experiences created by received love, whatever its origin, giving empathy and inspiration. (By far the greatest inspiration of all is the cross of Jesus which calls us to faith in a death of self). Love begets love, breaking down barriers with positive thinking and solutions to problems. Individually, the reach of love varies enormously, according to individual inspiration and faith. For most it is the family. For a few, with a deep faith, it is the world, with many in between. We can each be part of the problem or part of the solution, as we are inspired, or not. Politically, all democracies are bedevilled by the structures of political power which defeat democracy’s moral influence, killing its empathetic equality of power and political opportunity for all citizens. Power structures create fears of disadvantage and loss in an adversarial system which, instead of empathy, creates hostility. A healthy start was made with elections by the secret ballot, which has enabled the appointment of governments with greater fairness and much reduced violence, but selfishness and fear still stand in the way of honest, popular government, with the unethical influences or factions, parties and other powerful minorities. Only the extension of the controlling influence of the ballot into all government decision-making can ease the fears that divide and antagonise. If we can win the democratic battle at the local and national levels there can be hope for the world. The question is: Can we, will we?
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Is the majority always right?
Basil, you ask: "Fair enough John. You draw attention to horrific problems facing our world. So, what are we going to do? We can't give up can we?
The problem with a secret ballot is that our politicians would not be accountable for their vote. We would not be able to judge who was for or against any particular issue. One example is the debate on euthanasia. A majority of Australians believe we have the right to die. A secret ballot may get the billed passed.
The majority of Australians may also vote for tax cuts but is that always the best policy? I believe sometimes the majority behaves like a mob. Mob rule can lead to a lynching. For example the majority of the German people supported a leader like Hitler.
I think we should elect politicians that have displayed excellent leadership qualities. Leaders who we judge to have the ability to promote and to make the correct decisions. We look at their voting record on issues we believe in and it is by looking at the history of this voting record that we can make our decision.
If we had a secret ballot many politicians would say one thing and vote for the other. We can't trust them.
If I had the chance to improve our democracy I would get rid of the parties.
I would give electoral money to the individual not a party. I would not have party rooms I believe it is party politics that causes the problems and any ideas to weaken the power of the party is the way to go. Maybe we should make it illegal for politicians to collude with each other.
love logic education and real democracy
Anthony:
Appreciate your comment. There are more specifics here.
I'm afraid I have allowed myself to be distracted from the most urgent need for political reform. Neither preaching nor education has the drive to resolve the truly terrible problems of the future without the wholesale cooperation of the people at large. Party politics has been eating away at community resolve and without a radical democratic agenda there is no way that the tide can be arrested, let alone reversed. There is very little popular comprehension of the dangerous course we are following, or the immense effort required ahead. And the current outcry at rising costs illustrates how little willingness there is to face what lies ahead. As you say participation is the key, but that cannot happen without a radical devolution of power. There can be no development of popular responsibility without the transfer of political power to the people. The ballot is the only instrument with the political relevance to do that.
Hence the need for the Secret Ballot Party, (secretballotparty.org) to destroy party politics and restore genuine parliamentary government and the kind of responsible leadership that can rally the people.
Many difficult questions are being voiced -
like climate change, exhausting fossil fuels, world population, world food crisis, biofuels, extravagance of our meat diet, extravagant Western life style, to name a few -
but the solution of all these problems, without bloody wars, can only be found in a radical democracy, which can engender the willing cooperation of respected parliaments with a responsible citizenry. Otherwise we will assuredly fail - in a bloody mess, that we can only dimly comprehend at present.
I sense the well-justified anxiety here in Webdiary, but only a selfless response to the logic of unavoidable change can get us over the line.
Citizen's Referendums
Citizen ballots on every important decision should be the end goal of a true democracy. To leave it all to elected representatives is simply madness.
The process of becoming an elected MP now is so complex and riven with various power factions that we generally vote for one group who basically gives us a message we perceive is better than the alternative's. But the idea we then handover all decision making to that small group of representatives to make every single decsion for us is a farce.
Even with only 3 years betwen Federal elections, 4 in this state and 5 in the UK , any political party in power can corrupt the process to give them an unfair advantage when seeking re-election.
Power corrupts-and ultimate power corrupts fully. We saw that with Howard-an utterly corrupt politician-not in a the sense he was open to bribery or graft-but because he had become corrupted by power. He believed it was his moral right to mould 20 million people within his own image.
As was Blair-as was one of the maddest and most influential politicians of the past 50 years who even influenced our lives here-Margaret Thatcher.
A blinkered devotee of nut cases like Milton Friedman and F.A.Hayek and their "pursuit of equality is a mirage" concepts with all it's myriad variations was like a cancer that spread unchecked until it finally claimed our own little power hungry PM who finally, in the last 5/6 years believed his was free to turn Australia on it's head and abandon all concepts of fairness.
There are a hundred examples one could use to show the unchecked power hunger of Howard-but one is sufficient : his decision alone to take Australia into a war in which thousands would die in the Middle East. A power usually reserved for Kings and Queens with unfettered rule .
Nicholas Timmins, a Thatcher assistant recounts how within the her first week as PM Thatcher said to him about the great British Welfare State ( which she was determined to dismantle)-"it's time we brought back soup kitchens" ( being the extent of her charity). When Timmins smiled and gave a litle laughed she fixed him with her determined look and said "why are you looking so amused-I'm deadly serious".
And thus she set about it-attacking every institution from trade unions to National Health to the unemployed etc. And with that belief that these nutters have proclaimed that the real goal of life on this planet is to continually reward the rich for they are the wealth creators (despite the fact they need the poor as customers to become wealthy). Plus the sell-off every state asset to any shyster
We've had it here for past 11 years-with the Howard governments continued attacks upon the poorest-Tony Abbot's "dole bludgers"-his death by a thousand cuts to Medicare ( having perceived that no-one would get elected again by claiming outright they would dis-mantle our welfare health system).
The insane idea that to manage this economy one should reduce worker's wages to compete with the third world. The result in the UK-as in the USA under Bush and with Howard to a lesser extent-was that all the money removed from the majority poorer sections of society was simply given to the minority richest in tax cuts.
We are fortunate-Thatcher had a head start in the UK and Reagan in the USA ( assisted by Bill Clinton) with years to dismantle any idea of fair goes to the underdog. We only had Howard for 11 years and his real madness for the past 5 or so.
He was nipped in the bud before real damage could be done ( although NSW Labor under Bob Carr and now Iemma enthusiastically have adopted some policies-flogging off state assets that we own and gave them no permission to sell).
We aren't yet suffering the enormous collapse of social order that has been emerging in theUK for the past 10 years as the real effect of the Thatcher years kicks in. The total collapse of British industry and the build-up of London as a money re-cycling centre of Europe., that has left huge swathes of the countries cities with decimated communities were crime, drugs, prostitution and child abuse are simply out of control as the great Friedman experiment collapses.
How ironic that F.A.Hayek-one of the main instigators of all that has happened over the past 50 years-the squeezing of democracy through the power of globalisation and the removal of power from the poor to the rich- that has given us the perverted form of democracy we now have ( in which fromer premier Bob Carr declares Aussies need no Bill of Rights as they have politicians to protect their rights !) learned his craft not through hard work-but by monetary grants from rich supporters.
As usual-welfare is a sin-except when it's for those who don't need it.
Democratiya, Cohn-Bendit and '68
Democratiya has a new site, here. It is edited by Professor Alan Johnson of Edge Hill University, UK, and run (so I have read) from one computer in his rather cramped study.
The latest edition contains an interesting review by Philip Spencer of Forget '68, a new and provocatively titled book by Daniel ('Danny the Red') Cohn-Bendit, who shot to world fame (or notoriety) during the 1968 upheaval in France.
Some topics never really go stale.
What price a moral life?
I believe most people would like to live a moral life. Those among us who are religious believe we must live a moral life to please our various gods.
Most of us believe democracy is the best form of government and in fact we often go to war to protect democracy. But is our version of democracy the best form of government to help frame a moral life?
Is the democracy we have today the best we can do? I think it is too easy for us to opt out and leave it to others. We should be looking for constant improvement. Our system of democratic capitalism leaves many behind, millions live in poverty, and the gap between rich and poor continues to grow.
Democracy as we have developed it is not very democratic. We have a party system which means we get to choose between Labor or Liberal. Third parties have tried and failed. This month we will see the last of the Democrat senators leave our Parliament. The Greens put alternate policies but their chance of winning government is slim. How do we bring about real change?
How many of us participate in choosing who will be the Labor or the Liberal candidate in our electorate? I have been a member of the Labor party for four years. I have asked many of my fellow party members, who chose our candidate? No one seems to know - it just happens. I think most of the candidate selection process happens behind closed doors. So even before we get to vote hidden forces have taken over. I am sure something similar happens in the Liberal Party.
So we vote for a candidate most of us do not know, the party selects a leader and we live with the result for the next three years or so. It seems almost impossible to change the system or even steer it in a different direction.
Meanwhile we face real challenges such as climate change, peak oil and over population. Millions are on the verge of starvation, while the rich live in unbelievable luxury and have more money than they could possibly spend in a lifetime.
Most of us feel we live a decent life if we just look after our family. Yet every night we helplessly watch wars killing millions of women and children, punctuated by reports of a food crisis which will leave millions more to starve.
We must do more, we must change our "democratic" process so we all get a real voice.
Is democracy up to the task?
Basil, "If we can win the democratic battle at the local and national levels there can be hope for the world. The question is: Can we, will we?"
Given the problems we are facing I am not sure democracy will do the job.
Are we going to give the starving a vote?
If so what do you think they would vote for?
I hate to be so pessimistic; I have always tended to be an optimist, but some of the problems we will face over the next 50 years or so seem to be insurmountable.
Is democracy up to the task?
John Pratt: "I hate to be so pessimistic; I have always tended to be an optimist, but some of the problems we will face over the next 50 years or so seem to be insurmountable."
Fair enough John. You draw attention to horrific problems facing our world. So, what are we going to do? We can't give up can we?
What are the options? Decisions have to be made. Many of us are doing small things but they won't be enough.That much is clear.
The big decisions have to be made by governments, right? The problem is that existing governments are not coping are they? And they look even less like coping as the size of the problen really kicks in. We placed some hope in Kevin Rudd but he's not really going to be good enough with the Coalition sniping, the media picking at him and the public displaying little stomach, even for what will prove to be minor cost increases.
The situation looks rather like Britain in 1939 - many very anxious but government paralysed until Churchill became PM and created a coalition government - to get stuck into the problems.
We need to pull together. That individuals can't do that; it requires leadership at government level, where alone can big, far-reaching decisions be made. High courage will be needed, but they won't be able to give the necessary lead and rally the people while party allegiances divide the country.
In the end government is the responsibility of the people. Leaving it to leaders is what has caused our drift into trouble. Global warming was first noticed 20 years ago. Why no action? And why are we running aroiund in circles on the subject now. Because party government is divided and devisive, isolated from the people.
Without a deep involvement of the people, government is weak. True democracy is needed to devolve power to the people and make governments strong to tackle the hardest problems.
The election ballot gave some power to the people but the people need more - to eliminate party candidate advantage, and regain control of their members' parliamentary representation. Then the people can and will pitch in and take responsibility for government.
The Secret Ballot Party says democracy needs a fresh start - with the electronic secret ballot ruling in parliament, to return the power of government to parliament - and to the people. We will then have a chance to face the future with condidence. Advance Australia fair!
The convergence model for tackling climate change.
Basil: "But knowledge creates responsibility, accenting our duty to others, while failure opens the door to guilt and the fear which raises barriers, leading to dislike, to hatred, to cruelty. We are far from emulating the ants in any of our human, fear-traumatised environments. How then can we hope for successful global government and harmony in the world?"
If we want successful global government and harmony in the world we shall have to accept all as part of our "family" - we will have to learn to share.
To enable the poorer nations of the planet to have a reasonable standard of living we will have to drastically reduce our demands on the planet. We have to learn to share the resources and that will mean giving up many of the luxuries we have been accustomed to.
Basil, you are right to say "knowledge creates responsibility." It is our moral duty to share the wealth of this planet.
A very interesting idea
Basil Smith, I think you are right on the money with this idea. The task for us is to defend and extend democracy as a set of practices rather than a mere set of institutions. The idea of radical democracy offers greater potential for individual and collective liberation than any other on the political and philosophical horizon.
Participation is the key in every sphere of life from the domestic to the workplace and into civil society. The notion of citizen journalism, for example, allows participation in public discussions in the public sphere around the issues of the day. Thank heavens for WebDiary. Workplace democracy is still perhaps the most challenging notion to come out of the old socialist movement. The standout example in Australia is the BLF and the way that the radical leadership encouraged union members to take social responsibility for the consequences of their labour. And what a challenge to privilege and power that turned out to be ... I recall at the height of the struggle around Victoria St the SMH had something like seventeen editorials in a row condemning these upstarts BL's.
The level of social co-operation we have already achieved as a species is extraordinary. Now we need to make sure that this capacity for co-operative social behaviour is directed towards our common species interests. First and foremost is preserving the planetary ecological conditions of existence. The current crisis around energy supplies, industrial production and ecological degradation is probably our best ever opportunity to argue for a radical democratic agenda.
One big struggle, I know, but the most worthwhile life project I can think of.
As to the ballotbecoming a central institution and social practice of all aspects of governance, a terrific idea because anyone who argues against a ballot immediately exposes themselves for what they are – anti-democratic.
What stuff Richard?
I am not in the habit of writing stuff I believe or know to be untrue. Tell me what is and I will fix it.
Linda was forced out by Don Farrell of the SDA and his right wing mates because they disapproved of Linda's moral stance on abortion, stem cell, kids in detention, David Hicks and other things.
As can be seen, Alan, Linda is a shoppie herself and she was most definitely not a waste of space.
Richard: Marilyn I don't doubt the your truth. Not for a second, as I hope you know. There's a couple of people who are asking for backup links, and it would be great if you provide them. It's one of the "joys" of writing online...
Love and logic
Thanks for your response John. However, I would argue that the love (Agape) we need is coldly logical. It responds to need not by affection but recognising the need of another – for an equality of wellbeing (though not necessarily of assets!). The Good Samaritan (a story) acted logically. Jesus called it love. Jesus acted logically to free mankind from the 'dead works' of religion.
An old man fell off the railway station in the path of an oncoming train. A sixteen-year-old youth instinctively, logically, jumped and moved him off the rails, both lying just off the rails just as the train roared in.
When my sister's husband joined the army in 1940 I knew I, being eighteen, had to join up too. This is the kind of love – coldly logical if you like – that we need to match the problems of today and tomorrow. Where action is logical we need to take it regardless of convenience or self-interest – the narrow way.
I agree entirely that It is time to develop new skills. I think it is clear that the most damaging lack of skill in the world today is that of democratic decision-making. We have used the ballot for elections for over a century but we still have not adopted it for decisions at all levels. Why not?
Is it because we don't trust politicians, or because we can't be bothered spending the time and effort to liaise with the independent representatives we would surely have if we allowed them to vote secretly in parliament? Not very logical, is it, when the curse of every democracy is the dominance of party politics?
The greatest lack of skills is quite plainly our neglect of the citizen role in government by the people.
God bless.
Invertebrate love, and formicatory love in particular
Basil, on many occasions as a pre-teen budding naturalist, I used to sit near (but not too near) ant nests and watch their coming and going.
Bull ants or "Bull Joes" , they of the fiery sting, were fascinating. But the common and stingless Australian meat ant, Iridomermex purpereus intrigues me above all, and to this day.
Catch an individual from one nest, then drop it on top of another nest, and watch the donnybrook. The unfortunate foreign drop-in will be set upon by all and sundry, and will high-tail it out of there. Bear in mind that all save a few in any nest are sterile females, and all are members of the same species.
The moral: if she walks up close enough to you to tear you apart and then doesn't, she truly loves you.
Love is being passed over for dismemberment. It's as good as it gets on an ant heap.
Senator Kirk is my friend
Linda has been forced out of the Senate for daring to have human rights at the forefront of her conscience and I just heard Trish Crossin pay tribute to this maiden speech of Linda's. Linda has been a friend of mine for most of her time in the senate, she has helped to expose many of the crimes of the immigration department and has forensically questioned them in estimates for years now.
We should all remember this speech. It is a ripper.
Richard: In a hurry to get this up, I've left some things that will need to be tweeked. Sorry PK. Marilyn, I understand you much more after this. However, it would still be helpful if you substantiate some other aspects of your stuff.
Forced out?
Marilyn Shepherd, How was Sen. Kirk forced out of the Senate? I thought the people voted them out or was this a special case? Just like Sen. Nettle she was a waste of taxpayers money.
Burying the dead - beam me up Scotty
Alan, she (Kirk) was shoved out for being able to think for herself- a characteristic she shares with Nettle, and the Dems no longer remaining.
The factional gods decreed she make way for Don Farrell of the SDA. Obviously not enough conservatives in the Labor Senate team.
Look what having not enough yes men has cost Iemma.
Logic not love.
Basil: "Individually, the reach of love varies enormously, according to individual inspiration and faith. For most it is the family. For a few, with a deep faith, it is the world, with many in between."
Many religious leaders encourage us to love one and other.
Is it love or logic we need?
Insects such as ants cooperate on a level that gives them an advantage over other insects. The cooperation of an insect colony is not necessarily love. It is a survival technique which gives the colony an advantage.
As human understanding developed the first love was self love. This led to the selfish behaviour we often witness in children. As we mature this normally develops into love of family: families protect each other and pass on knowledge. As families grew into clans and tribes we developed a love of community and by osmosis the community religion. Clans and tribes were able to better protect the family and the individual. This has been a pattern that stood humankind in good stead for thousands of years and allowed us to populate the globe, conquering all that we saw.
Most people still cling to the love of family, tribe, and religion. Our cooperation has been extremely successful, so successful that we have now increased our population to such a level the planet can no longer support a growing human population. The old system of tribes and religions is failing as we fight for land and resources. It is time to develop new skills.
We must learn to cooperate on a global scale. We have to broaden our vision of family to encompass all living things. We are all part of one big family and every time a member of that family suffers we all suffer.
What is needed is logic, not love. The logical thing to do is to learn and encourage better cooperation. We must not use the self love of a child to prevent us from sharing this planet with all.
It is not love that we need to be encouraging but education.
It is our intellect that has brought us so far. It is time we used it to full advantage.
We will only survive if we learn to work together just like the ants.
Love, logic, education
John, I think whatever it takes. We are on a straight course to disaster the way we are going. Our political structure can no way succeed in providing the leadership needed. Our democracy is failing us. We cannot sit back, taking no action. Radical change as outlined in my thread Resurrecting democracy is urgently needed.