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Peak Moment for Peak Oil in QueenslandMargo: Stuart McCarthy, who returns to Webdiary after a long absence with this piece, is the Brisbane coordinator for the Australian Association for the Study of Peak Oil. He has 20 years of experience in engineering, logistics, disaster relief, security, risk analysis and planning in Australia, Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands. And see At last, a government has a go at peak oil!! * Until recently the peak oil debate in Australia has been largely confined to internet forums such as Webdiary. Those who have dared elsewhere make the obvious point that production of the finite resource upon which our entire economy is based will soon peak and decline, have usually been labeled as doomsayers, conspiracy theorists, socialists or rabid greenies. That situation has changed dramatically in recent weeks with the release of the Queensland Government’s long-awaited Oil Vulnerability Taskforce Report. World oil production is peaking – it’s official, at least here in Queensland. Fortunately Queensland has been blessed with a political rarity, a politician still capable of talking openly and honestly about the tough issues despite the modern obsession with spin, namely Andrew McNamara. McNamara has spoken publicly about peak oil in general and the threats to Queensland in particular for years, including his February 2005 speech in Parliament, and last year’s interviews on Four Corners and Sixty Minutes. Recently retired Premier Peter Beattie appointed him to chair a taskforce to examine the issue in May 2005. His Parliamentary colleague Rachel Nolan, who has also spoken publicly about peak oil but with less profile, assisted McNamara on the taskforce. Since 2005 those of us who have closely followed the peak oil debate have watched for news of the report’s completion with great anticipation. Two and a half long years later, that news arrived several weeks ago with the headline “Crude Shock” splashed across the front page of the Courier-Mail, after a copy of the McNamara report was apparently leaked to Assistant Editor Paul Syvret. This occurred during a period of intense speculation about Beattie’s retirement, with some of that speculation coming from Beattie himself. Rumours abound that Beattie, the master of spin who presided over a series of unprecedented public infrastructure crises here in Queensland, didn’t want anything to do with a ‘bad news’ story like peak oil. Possibly this was a factor in his handover to Anna Bligh, who drew much of the heat for Beattie’s short-sightedness during her tenure as Deputy Premier. You can draw your own conclusion from the facts that McNamara’s report took over two years to complete, that it then sat in File 13 for six months despite public assurances by Beattie that it would be immediately released, that McNamara is now a Minister in the Bligh Government, that Nolan is now a Parliamentary Secretary, and that the report was tabled in Bligh’s first Cabinet meeting four days after she became Premier. Personally, I will remember Beattie as the man who needlessly delayed the commencement of Queensland’s urgent peak oil mitigation effort for at least 12 crucial months while he dithered over his decision to take the soft option and get out of the way of true leaders who can guide us through the tough times ahead. A good decision, way too long in the making. Shortly after McNamara’s taskforce was convened in mid-2005, Qantas Chief Financial Officer Peter Gregg commented in The Bulletin that the airline industry is “not sustainable” if oil prices reach US$100 per barrel, and the head of the International Air Transport Association referred to high fuel prices as “a fifth horseman of the apocalypse.” 136,000 jobs (7.3 percent of the workforce) in Queensland’s tourism industry alone, the second largest export industry behind coal, rely on the viability of these airlines, while passenger rail has died the death of a thousand cuts in recent decades and ‘transport’ still means ‘roads’ in the Transport Department. As I write this light sweet crude is trading at US$83.69 per barrel at the New York Mercantile Exchange and many reputable investors are openly discussing the prospect of US$100 oil by Christmas, but there is still no plan for saving Queensland’s tourism industry, or any other industry for that matter. Only time will tell how much Beattie’s procrastination will have cost. Nonetheless, the report has now been released. After a three week pregnant pause since the Courier-Mail article, Opposition MP Rosemary Menkens questioned McNamara in Parliament about the report last Wednesday. It was tabled on Thursday and published on the web shortly thereafter. Unsurprisingly, not one word of this made it into the mainstream media amid the contrived sensation of the stem cell cloning debate in Parliament the same day. For those of us familiar with peak oil the report itself is unremarkable. Peak oil is real, it is soon, and the implications for key Queensland industries are huge – wow (with a lower-case ‘w’ and no exclamation mark). But there are a few gems that may see the state really come to grips with a profound sustainability agenda that addresses both peak oil and climate change. Chapter 3 examines the Impact on Various Queensland Sectors, including transport, mining, resources and primary industries. Transport received the most comprehensive treatment, however the oil price scenarios are extremely conservative and McNamara conceded that the worst case scenario is being realised even before the report was released. For my money the most important sections are those examining the impacts on the mining and fossil fuel resource sectors. The mining industry section concludes in part: The mining industry is highly dependent on liquid fuels, which makes it highly vulnerable to fuel price increases and shortages. The industry has been fortunate that recent high (oil) prices have occurred in conjunction with higher commodity prices. A decline in commodity prices and continuance of high oil prices would place marginal producers at risk. The fossil fuel resources section notes Queensland’s limited oil and gas reserves, its reliance on imports, and the serious technical, thermodynamic and environmental limitations of coal gasification and liquefaction, geo-sequestration and shale oil. One of its key recommendations is to: … carry out a major review of Queensland coal and its future utilisation …(and develop) a strategic plan for development of the state’s coal resources … Together, these dispel the notion that Queensland could literally dig, burn and/or bury its way out of peak oil and climate change triggered socio-economic crises. Unfortunately, the primary industries section bears the hallmarks of the prevailing stove-piped, isolationist, cornucopian approach to the problem, arguing that: … if it becomes apparent that peak oil will eventuate in the next few years or so, Queensland is currently well placed to combat this situation, purely based on the potential of the ethanol industry … Queensland could potentially substitute almost 75% of all petrol consumed using ethanol. Further, this section uncritically repeats the ‘clean coal’ mantra, ironically quoting a glowing endorsement for coal liquefaction by Dr Brian Fisher, the former head of ABARE who was totally discredited at last year’s Senate inquiry into peak oil when he claimed with a straight face that “If the price of eggs is high enough, even the roosters will start to lay.” Chapter 4, Queensland’s Alternative Energy Options, dispels many of the myths that have hamstrung the debate so far. There are no silver bullet alternatives that can feasibly replace oil and allow what Jim Kunstler calls the “happy motoring utopia” to continue into the future. Ethanol, biodiesel and hydrogen, although they may have important roles to play, have enormous limitations in terms of thermodynamics, time, scale and cost. Further, the report allays one of the key fears of climate change activists in the peak oil debate, that Queensland would worsen the greenhouse gas emissions problem by turning to coal liquefaction, or coal to liquids (CTL): “The value of CTL technology in Australia is questionable, based on price and greenhouse gas intensity.” Solar power, on the other hand, although it “has no direct substitution value for oil,” is “a technology with potential to pay for itself very quickly with the right technology breakthrough.” McNamara recently suggested to me in relation to transport infrastructure that Queensland should “electrify everything.” Encouragingly, the foundations are being laid for a major switch to solar energy and public transport among other key mitigation strategies. What is remarkable about the report, however, is that it marks the Queensland Government as the first state/provincial government in the world to recognise that peak oil is real and decide to do something about it. To borrow a phrase from Winston Churchill, the battle for acknowledgement is over; the battle for action is about to begin. To that end, Bligh has made some of the right noises, purportedly instructing McNamara to “think big” in developing Queensland’s whole-of-government’ peak oil mitigation plan. Whether or not she fully appreciates this yet, the manner in which Bligh tackles peak oil will define her premiership. Her most important task will be to quickly sort out the wheat from the chaff in her own Cabinet. While McNamara has been talking about the need to “adopt a wartime mentality” to address peak oil for some time, many of his colleagues still don’t get it. His former boss in the transport portfolio and now Bligh’s Deputy, Paul Lucas, doesn’t appreciate that the feasibility studies for every one of Queensland’s tens of billions of dollars worth of road projects have completely omitted any consideration of rising fuel prices, and still complains about ‘subsidised’ public transport but not the $540 million per annum petrol subsidy. Echoes of Beattie’s oxymoronic ‘clean-coal’ gibberish still manifest themselves in almost $1 billion worth of government subsidies that continue to marginalise solar power and other renewable energy in what was once called the Sunshine State. One quarter of Queensland’s feed grain production is being turned into ethanol and burned while the world’s grain stockpile has halved in the last five years, food prices are skyrocketing and millions are starving. Discredited, neo-classical economic dogma still evidently holds sway over high school mathematics and physics. Bligh has charged McNamara with developing a ‘whole-of-government’ approach to peak oil mitigation, but the reality is that it requires more than that, more like a ‘whole-of-state’ approach. Businesses, civil society, and most importantly a jaded, cynical and apathetic public, will need to quickly become involved in the development of a reform agenda unprecedented in magnitude, despite the fact that few of them yet understand what the term ‘peak oil’ means. The clock is ticking, but we will first need to debate the tough questions in a sustained and meaningful way. We haven’t seen this sort of debate since Federation. To that end the last word here must go to McNamara himself. After describing his report as “an important starting point for a debate” in Parliament on Wednesday when replying to Menkens’ question, McNamara went on to describe peak oil as: … an issue that will require an open and honest approach from all members of this House. This is not an ideological issue — it is not a Left or Right issue; it is not a Labor, Liberal, National or indeed Independent issue — it is an issue on which the people of Queensland are going to require us, with goodwill and in good faith, to look for results and to come up with answers to preserve their lifestyles.
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Time to get serious on peak oil and climate change.
Now that the election is over it is time to get serious on Peak Oil and Climate Change. We should be following the Democrats in the US and passing legislation to require all vehicles to be more fuel efficient. We have the technology; we now need the Rudd government to act. If they fail us in the next three years we will have to give the Greens a go.
What to do with all the Petro Dollars?
Oil rich nations are swimming in Petrodollars. The world is choking on carbon emissions. When will we do something about our addiction to oil? To even up the imbalance the world should impose a carbon tax on oil. This would reduce demand and encourage more efficient use of oil. The money earned could be used to research and develop alternate fuels and make sure the wealth is spread more evenly.
Gotta Love Those Euro Finance Guys
Or just ONE person in all of Detroit may actually come up with the novel idea of changing the car design. I don't know maybe even break into the European market with competitive prices. Hell European pension funds might even think about investing in Detroit; giving that little something, that will otherwise, for many Europeans, be an unsustainable retirement.
Keep On Sliding
Stuart McCarthy, unlike many I see the US dollar depreciation as an exceptionally good long-term thing (the best thing). I can also assure you that far from China celebrating it would have their policy makers chewing their finger nails. And frankly with regard to the policy of pegging the Yuan artificially (way to long and way to low) it is way past due.
This is a necessary step for the American economy and something that should have taken place a number of years ago. Often the best medicine is a forced market change and this is the forced market change American industry (all of it) has needed for some time. For far too long much of America's once great industry has grown uncompetitive and slothful off a policy lazy Fed. The writing on this wall has been around long enough for any American willing to open his or her eyes.
There will be short-term ramifications (good or bad) for all Americans. There will also be a very real need to move decisively at the slightest hint of an inflationary outbreak (could be very painful). However, long-term this is manna from heaven for any person interested (especially the young) in the real future growth and incredible prosperity (with all the good that brings) of the American nation.
Note: A continued dollar decline added with continued resource price growth makes for some very interesting times. The biggest financial shocks always start from the most unexpected sources.
Oil Price new record $97 and rising.
Strong demand, limited surplus capacity, and falling inventories. In other words Peak Oil. Meanwhile both Labor and Liberal parties are running around the country announcing billions of dollars for new road infrastructure. This money would be more wisely spent on improving public transport. It is a good bet that we will be introducing some kind of carbon tax in the near future to reduce our GHG emissions combine this with the continued cost of fuel and the car will soon be out of reach for many working Australians.
Governments should reduce spending on roads and increase spending on rail and other public transport solutions otherwise our economy will collapse with people unable to get to work. Inflation is being fueled by high oil prices and global warming produced drought. The conventional thinking is to raise interest rates to reduce demand. All an interest rate rise will do is increase inflation as most of us are already at the limits of our discretionary spending. More people will be left to struggle with higher mortgage rates.
Good policies
Now worth $10B
John Pratt, Re “First the debt is $100M MIM now owes, it goes on to our debt level” I’m increasingly convinced you don’t understand how this works. There are two ways to look at it. ‘Our’ could mean the Australian people in a practical sense. Otherwise ‘our’ could refer to how Australia’s International Investment Position (foreign debt in layman’s terms) is measured from a statistical perspective.
Under the Australian people version, MIM is now wholly owned by Xstrata a Swiss based company publicly listed on the London and Zurich stock exchanges. Any debt held by MIM, is ultimately born by Xstrata from a practical sense. Interest payments are coming out of the pockets of the Xstrata shareholders (just like the profits go in), not Australians. The only way an Australian becomes involved in MIM’s debt is via the purchase of Xstrata shares. So in this respect, the MIM loan does not go onto ‘our debt level’.
Under the IIP version, I have to assume that the old MIM structure remains a resident of Australia for tax and IIP purposes (the ABS and ATO treat residency essentially the same way). Now in this respect the debt would only impact Australia’s IIP (foreign debt) if debt was taken out by the MIM entity (distinct from Xstrata) from an offshore bank (could happen; but Xstrata would get better terms offshore). So under this scenario, the $100M debt is recorded against ‘our’ IIP, but no Australian is actually liable for it. You can see how Australia can have a net foreign debt without actually owing any money, just another example of how stats can be misleading.
Also regarding the MIM offshore loan, MIM can only legally repatriate (to Xstrata) after tax profits, transfer pricing (re your earlier comments) is out the window (note the ABS comment below).
From the ABS concepts, sources and methods for the Balance of Payments “transfer pricing to avoid tax is illegal in Australia the distortions in the international accounts caused by transfer pricing are not considered widespread.”
I also don’t see how MIM’s loan leads to an interest rate rise? Also, If there was an interest rate rise, the only parties impacted would be Xstrata shareholders (assuming the offshore loan was taken in AUD), not Australians?
If the $5B had been re-invested into an ASX 200 index fund in June 2004, it would now be worth around $10B. You don’t get that kind of return from gambling.
Stuart McCarthy, if oil and coal prices moved in opposite directions, don’t you think we’d consider converting some of our coal into oil? The Germans did it in WW2; why can’t we? Australia is a net exporter in most energy resources, gas, coal, uranium etc. Historically there has always been a strong correlation between the prices of all energy resources, particularly oil and gas. As oil prices rise; so do the prices of gas, coal and uranium. What Australia pays in oil imports, it gains in gas, coal and uranium.
Alternatives
>Hi Gareth. I will touch upon on each of the alternatives you mentioned. In broad terms each suffers serious limitations of time, scale, cost and thermodynamics.
Coal Mining. Getting coal out of the ground and transporting it requires large volumes of cheap diesel. Fuel costs for a typical coalmine are equivalent to about 7% of the income (excluding all other costs and profit margins). If, say, fuel costs doubled and coal prices halved, this would become 28%, rendering a large proportion of the coalmining industry unviable.
Coal Liquefaction/Coal to Liquids (CTL). The fact that CTL has only been used on a large scale by Nazi Germany during WWII and South Africa during Apartheid should illustrate that it is a sign of desperation. The CTL process is highly energy intensive, with only a marginal EROEI (energy return on energy investment), and produces greenhouse gas emissions several times greater than oil. Even if we ignored these factors it would take at least 10 to 15 years to ramp up the CTL infrastructure required to put even a dent in fuel demand. We don’t have that long.
Natural Gas. Liquefied and compressed natural gas (LNG/CNG) is a good transport fuel but, with the exception of buses in some of the capital cities, few vehicles in Australia currently use these. Switching the vehicle fleet and mining/construction equipment across to natural gas would again take 10-15 years that we don’t have. From a trade perspective we are currently exporting cheap gas while importing expensive oil, which is absurd. Also bear in mind that world gas production will peak not long after oil production peaks. At best it could be used as an interim fuel in concert with other peak oil mitigation measures.
Uranium. Uranium mining also requires diesel and other fossil fuel energy sources, in much the same way as coal.
The inescapable conclusion is that we have to curb our demand for/reliance upon oil through serious conservation and efficiency measures. At present we are encouraging consumption and waste through perverse subsidies and taxes, as well as massive funding for road projects that ignore the likely traffic declines that will be caused by rising fuel prices. I do not advocate ceasing road funding altogether. What I do advocate is immediate, massive funding for freight rail, high-speed passenger rail and public transport. Unless we embark on this immediately, within a few short years rising costs of private car transport, food and household energy bills will cause enormous economic hardship.
The oil reserve factor
Stuart, I was talking to last night to a former highly placed government energy expert who is now in the private sector, who told me that as the oil price rises there is a correction mechanism that cuts in: the supply increases, because previously uneconomic oilfields start to become economic, and such fields hold significant quantities of oil.
This must have an effect on 'peak oil' thinking. I would be interested in your view of this. Climate change issues are something else again, of course.
oil supply curve
There is some truth in your friend's simplistic economics, but not a lot. Any price over around $25 makes deep-sea recovery viable - after that, the supply-side argument breaks down because the higher price doesn't actually create any more oil to be found. The biggest debate here is so-called non-conventional oil, eg the Alberta tar sands, but the problem here is the rising energy costs of recovery (and appalling carbon emissions), which mean that the edges of what's available take such a high amount of energy to extract and refine that on balance it still isn't worth it.
The base thing to remember about oil is that it all got made several million years ago and ain't being made any more, whatever the price.
$1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 per drop
David: Sure, oil is a finite resource, and I would think you have encountered this situation before. If supply is diminishing and demand is growing, price increasing on some basis would on the face of it maintain the two in equilibrium. But if supply itself is a function of price, and price not just a function of demand at whatever level, then both the situation and the maths describing it get a bit more interesting.
I am not an economist, but I am sure economists must have met this situation before. Strictly speaking, crude petroleum oil will never really run out. It's just that the last drop of it will be so expensive that nobody on Earth will have the money to buy it. So to speak.
One could buy a barrel of crude today, put in in bottles, and cellar it as some people do with Grange Hermitage. Then in time, swap one or two for an island in the Whitsundays, retire to it, and live on the rest.
I might just do it.
Economy vs Entropy
Ian McDougall, I was about to reply to your question regarding reserves growth (and will later today) when I saw this video linked in a reply to my piece in Online Opinion today (first published here in WD of course!). This pretty much says it all. Ironically your figure of $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 also makes a cameo appearance towards the end of the video!
Another Chris Shaw Video
This one's even better than the last!
Margo: Is that the same Chris Shaw who is a Webdiarist? I like it a lot.
Goldman Sachs: "... an awakening that the US is in big trouble"
A good report here on the potential for China and key oil exporters to abandon the US dollar, concluding:
And from the New York Times:
Cellaring the golden drop
At any moment there are a large number of tankers full of crude sitting around on the high seas waiting to be told who has paid the most for their cargo and therefore where they should go. But the world gets through 87 million barrels a day and produces 85mbd - hence the price rises. And it doesn't really have the capacity to produce any more, it's been stuck on that 85mbd for a while now, hence some people's belief that oil peaked in 2006. A supertanker holds 2mb or more - but therefore it takes 43 of them to hold a DAYS demand - so even though some of the biggest tankers ever built have indeed been converted to moored storage, they can't really keep that golden drop back for long enough to make a real killing - remembering that boring ordinary everyday killing for ExxonMobil is US$100 million profit per day.
OPEC's so-called production caps aren't having any significant effect: there is no evidence that the cap is kept to, nor that OPEC members could pump any more if the cap were lifted. Actual OPEC production has been above the cap for at least two years, and like the RoW production has been remarkably steady throughout that time at 30mbd.
Business-as-usual demand rises at about 1.3 to 1.5%pa, bringing total world demand to above 100mbd before 2020: if supply stays at 85mbd or thereabouts, then there is indeed no theoretical limit to the potential price. But, of course, the other effect of price rises is to damp demand. A really crude ceteris paribus model will quickly tell you that the round terms effect of supply stable at 85mbd is that there will be no more world economic growth except for that which can be extracted from energy intensity - ie getting more GDP out per barrel of oil. The famous APEC statement aimed for 25% improvement in energy intensity over the next 43 years - which neatly translates into an economic growth cap of around 0.5%pa.
oils and spoils and getting panels now
Hi David, and thanks for that great resource. It very clearly marks out what takes quite a while to search. Notice the drop in oil production OECD. I heard the Nth Sea was drying up, is that a reality then? Seems rather a crisis time coming up. Makes a big difference to international policy and gambles.
Poor old Africa. Somehow I don't think they will get to use their oil for local requirements. Now what if Iraq came on line? That would be a few million barrels per day. Alas for planning.
Shall look into some solar panels now while they are cheap to make and buy a bike. At least the air will be cleaner and women will not have their eggs damaged as just found out, by recycled water pollutants and air emissions. If only the government would promote them to be made here.
PS: Paul, do you really think a drop of about 30% in US value is safe for stability in such a short time? Stability is important in the community.
What is reliable?
A Report from the WA government may help.
Gareth, does this help?
As a result of declining domestic production and uncertain world supplies, WA is very vulnerable to "Oil Shocks" in the short term (2 months), medium term (2 years) and long term (within 2 decades).
APPEA Website
Gareth, the Australian Petroleum Production & Exploration Association website is a good place to start. Chief Executive Belinda Robinson raised her concerns regarding the petroleum trade deficit at the annual conference in March this year:
Given that oil is already trading above US$ 90 a barrel, you can do your own projection for the trade petroleum trade deficit in 2015. My guess is that it will blow out to somewhere in the a range of $40-80 billion, equivalent to four to eight percent of current GDP, double to quadruple the current value of Australian coal exports (based on current record high prices, which may slide if demand ebbs) or double to quadruple the current Defence budget. That's a big problem in anybody's language.
The case of the missing $5 billion
Gareth Eastwood, and the case of the missing $5 billion.
First the debt is $100M MIM now owes, it goes on to our debt level and leads to an interest rate rise.
Now the missing $5 billion, it went to holders of MIM shares who probably reinvested it in the Australian stock market.
The $5 billion probably was lost gambling on the stock exchange. Australia has nothing left but a $100m debt. MIM is in the hands of foreigners most of the profits going overseas, the debt remains and interest rates are rising.
Peak Uranium
John Pratt, so you’re not going to explain where the $5B went?
Re “What are you saying, Gareth, there is no problem or we need not worry about the rising cost of oil imports?” Assuming by ‘we’ you mean Australia, I’d say we don’t have much to worry about. The demand based factors driving a significant portion of the rising oil price, are also driving up the price of commodities and resources for which we are net exporters. If we suffer a bit from ‘Peak Oil’ in the near future, maybe later on we’ll flourish during ‘Peak Coal,’ ‘Peak Iron’ or even ‘Peak Uranium.’
I have to admit it takes a lot to get me worried. Right now the only thing in life really worrying me, is passing the CA Tax exam in December.
Peak Uranium
Peak uranium is indeed a fascinating one ...
In the unlikely event that all of the people that are talking about building new nuclear power do indeed do so, then peak uranium is only a few years after they all come on-stream - which will first multiply the cost, buggering the assumptions they made the investment on, and Australia will probably not benefit from that at all, because if our record on LNG is anything to go by, we'll have signed up to long-term contracts at the pre-peak price ... and by the time those contract are over, the nuclear boom will be over too, because the cost (and carbon emissions) associated with extracting ever-more-marginal ore will get all those stations mothballed.
In the more likely event that they don't actually get built, the value of uranium mining as an activity will potentially fall sharply, as the older stations fall into disrepair and need no new fuel.
It seems that the proponents of expanding uranium mining are just hoping for the Goldilocks as-you-were scenario in the middle of these two, but in my view that is much less likely than either of the two edges. 'Course there is the ever-growing list of people who aspire to nuclear weapons, so we could sell to them - after all, to not do that might cost JOBS.
Australian Oil Production has peaked, causing a trade imbalance.
Gareth Eastwood,
Oil exports 2005/2006 $6.6 billion Oil imports $12.9 billion
You can see that already Australia has a $6.3 billion dollar deficit which is due to skyrocket over the next decade. What are you saying, Gareth, there is no problem or we need not worry about the rising cost of oil imports?
More oil
Stuart McCarthy, it would be a bit silly for Australian oil importers to take delivery on American based oil contracts. I’m not sure what your point is? TAPIS contracts are also denominated in USD. Is there no correlation in price between the NYMEX and TAPIS oil contracts?
Greenspan made no mention of oil in your link? The Saudi’s are just suffering from having a fixed exchange rate, nothing to with the price setting of oil contracts? The WSJ link considers the implications of the falling USD? None of links relate to moving away from the USD as the currency used to denominate oil contracts?
Re “the monetary value of Australian oil imports has been flat, but not the volume” What’s the quantum of this change? I can’t locate any reliable volume data for overall petroleum imports. The ABS only lists value, what site/s do you use? This Abare reports states that crude imports are expected to be flat in volume terms and petroleum exports are expected to rise.
USD, TAPIS and ABARE
Gareth, I didn’t claim that Greenspan et. al. were discussing a switch from USD to euro in oil markets. The point that I did make was that many are concerned about a dumping of USD and take up of euro in the currency markets due to the weakening of the US economy, which is incurring massive foreign debt and is probably sliding into a recession. In a seller’s market for oil, of course sellers will be looking to sell in a stronger currency rather than a weaker one.
TAPIS contracts are indeed denominated in USD, but a switch away from USD will eventually become attractive here in SE Asia also.
ABARE is basically a laughing stock when it comes to oil production and price forecasts. They always forecast falling prices and they are always wrong. At last year’s Senate inquiry the head of ABARE Brian Fisher stated categorically (see link in my article) in relation to world oil production that “If the price of eggs is high enough, even the roosters will start to lay.” Fortunately Fisher has since resigned, but the cargo-cult mentality remains, as evidenced by their 2008 forecast WTI price of US$60.69.
Where's my $5 billion?
John Pratt, I’ll have to assume that I’m Alan.
(Fiona: John has already posted apologising for the confusion - those two posts should have been addressed to you.)
I did say Australian based assets, not companies; I was hoping for something a little more recent and a little more reliable. The rate of foreign ownership has actually fallen in the last five years (by about 3% according the ABS), currently around 27%. I agree foreign portfolio investment exceeds our own outbound version, it has always been so, note that we’re in surplus against the US (FIRB). I believe it is the UK which has the largest net stake in Australian companies. The day your average Australian considers a British share more enticing than a house and land package, is the day we’ll have a chance of balancing the foreign ownership of Australian equity.
Re “Let's say we sell a mining company like Mt Isa Mines to an overseas buyer. From the moment of sale all the profits go overseas.” Generally speaking I would expect to receive something in return for selling MIM, is that unreasonable?
Re “Then the overseas owner of Mt Isa Mines decides to buy some capital equipment. It borrows, and a debt is created.” So the debt is held by foreign persons, not Aussies. We’re still sitting on the wad of cash we got in return for selling MIM.
Using numbers your example goes like this.
MIM sold by Aussie to Swiss for $5B. Aussie gets $5B, Swiss gets MIM. MIM borrows $100M to buy equipment, MIM now owes S100M to someone , but has some nice new equipment worth $100M. Aussie still figuring out what do with his/her $5B.
I’m not seeing where this Australian debt is.
Good luck OPEC
Stuart McCarthy, I can’t find the figures you’re referring to, not to worry. I did note that the value of crude imports has actually fallen from this time last year. Maybe it’s time to consider the views of others on the factors causing Australia’s trade deficit.
SMH “The trade deficit widened in August as business investment and a high Australian dollar pushed up demand for imported goods.”
And SMH “Importers are enjoying the benefit of cheaper goods because of a strong Australian dollar, but economists say this will only put renewed pressure on the trade deficit.”
AME Info “the strength of the Australian dollar is also expected to trigger a sharp increase in the trade deficit.”
Age “Many Australians have already responded to the higher dollar by flocking to US-based internet retailers in the hunt for bargains.”
RBA refers to “strong import growth” driving the deficit.
Considering that petroleum imports have been flat over the last year and Australia’s total exports have fallen in this period, I’d say oil imports have played no role at all in the higher trade deficit. Based on the data I’ve seen, the strong AUD is indeed a key driver of the rising trade deficit.
Re “Demand does indeed respond to changes in price. The problem is that when high oil prices curb demand, GDP will fall because oil cannot readily be substituted throughout the economy like other commodities. Further, a large proportion of economic activity is Australia is based on discretionary demand, for example airlines, tourism, service industries and retail. These will be among the early victims of demand destruction.”
We’re talking net trade not GDP, the two concepts are largely unrelated.
The US (or any other country) does not currently determine what currency it purchases oil in. A producer can set whatever payment terms it likes (unless delivering on exchange based contracts), ultimately these terms are based on the NYMEX light sweet crude contract which trades in USD. In order for OPEC to get oil priced in a different currency requires one of two things to happen. Either they convince the NYMEX to change the contract specs on light sweet crude, or create a new contract and somehow make it the most liquid and heavily trade oil contract in the world. I’d say good luck with that OPEC; you’re going to need it.
NYMEX Irrelevant for Australian Petroleum Trade Deficit
Gareth, the monetary value of Australian oil imports has been flat, but not the volume, which has continued to increase. The trade deficit in dollar terms has been protected by the strength of the AUD against the USD. If the exchange rate stabilises or reverses as oil prices increase we won't have this protection in future.
Australian oil imports are not traded at NYMEX. Most of our crude imports are benchmarked against Malaysian TAPIS and most of our refined fuel imports, including aviation fuel, comes from Singapore.
My concerns re a switch away from the US petrodollar are shared by Alan Greenspan, former Chairman of the US Federal Reserve Bank, the UK Telegraph International Business Editor and writers at the Wall Street Journal, among others.
Australia is only a bit-player in all this, which makes Mr Howard's big-noting re 'sound economic management' all the more pathetic.
Net increase in foreign ownership
John are you even sure that there has been a net increase in foreign ownership of Australian based assets? How do you know this?
Alan,
Foreign ownership in Australia doubles - and over half the foreign companies pay no tax at all in Australia.The following is an extract from an article by Frank Walker which appeared in the Sun Herald, 17 September 2000.
"The level of foreign ownership of Australian companies has doubled in the past decade to 21% of gross domestic product (GDP) and foreign debt hovers at 40% of GDP. The money leaving Australia to foreign owners doubled in the decade to $12 billion last year.
"Tax expert and Electronic International Trade Service director Martin Feil said multinationals use a tax trick called transfer pricing to escape paying tax in Australia. An Australian Taxation Office review of 207 companies, which generated $30 billion in annual revenue, showed they paid less than $40 million in company tax.
"'Despite having operated in Australia for decades, over half of the foreign companies paid no tax at all,' Mr. Feil said."
That's right Alan, foreign ownership has dramatically increased under the Howard Government and half of these companies pay no tax. That what I call a real level playing field. I really do appreciate the opportunities you give me to bring all the Howard economic disasters to public attention.
in reply to your questions on foreign ownership.Where have all the profits gone?
John Pratt, company profits aren’t included in a trade deficit/surplus. You may be thinking of the current account deficit, which is driven in no small part by the average Australian’s preference for housing assets over companies, cash and bonds. Sure if I sell Telstra shares and buy a house I no longer receive Telstra dividends, but now I have a house to live in.
Re “We are left with the debt.” Could you explain to me how selling an asset creates a debt? I’m not sure how this works.
John are you even sure that there has been a net increase in foreign ownership of Australian based assets? How do you know this? If in fact foreign ownership of Australian based asset has increased, has it been offset by Australian investment in other foreign based assets? Personally I’m not certain of the specific stats either way, but here’s a list to consider. Some companies listed on the ASX with a predominantly Australian based share register that have significant offshore investments.
Aristocrat (half its pokies are sold in the US)
Brambles (almost 90% of profits sourced offshore)
CSL (most profits sourced offshore)
James Hardie (sells the majority of its cement in the US)
Lend Lease (real estate conglomerate gets most profits offshore)
Macquarie Airports (large stakes in European airports)
Macquarie Infrastructure (large stakes in American toll roads)
Paperlinx (world’s largest paper merchant, majority of profits sourced offshore)
QBE (insurance operations in 25 different countries, majority of profits sourced from offshore)
Sims Group (worlds largest scrap metal dealer, owns Hugo Neu large American recycler)
Westfield (I wonder how many Americans realise those malls are Australian?)
ABS says exports are falling under Howard.
Alan, you will notice that not only are volumes down, so are prices. You asked me how selling an asset can create a debt. Let's say we sell a mining company like Mt Isa Mines to an overseas buyer. From the moment of sale all the profits go overseas. Then the overseas owner of Mt Isa Mines decides to buy some capital equipment. It borrows, and a debt is created. There you have it: we sold an asset and created a debt. Multiply that several hundred times and you can see why we have rising debt levels. You see, we are still borrowing but the profits are going overseas.
NYMEX moving to Euro?
Stuart McCarthy, I think you’re overplaying the role oil has in Australia’s trade deficit. Oil products account for about 10% of total imports (ABS). Any fall in the AUD/USD rate (assuming no corresponding fall in commodity/resource prices) would tend to close the trade deficit. It makes exports more competitive and imports less so; it’s a pretty simple concept. Your argument seems to assume that demand doesn’t respond to changes in price.
Re “the economy is at the whims not only of the commodities markets but now also the currency markets.” The impact exchange rates and commodity prices have on the Australian economy is not increasing.
Re “If we have to start buying oil in Euros rather than USD we will be in serious trouble.” I’m pretty sure the NYMEX has no intentions of switching light sweet crude into Euro based contracts; feel free to prove me wrong. As long as oil is priced in USD, it makes no difference what currency a producer demands payment in.
Basic Facts
Gareth, you're thinking wrong. The petroleum trade deficit (petroleum exports minus petroleum imports) is currently approximately 2/3 of the total trade deficit (total exports minus total imports). This is simple arithmetic, all based on ABS data.
At a recent industry conference the Chief Executive of APPEA stated:
... and in case you hadn't noticed, oil is already trading consistently over US$90 a barrel.
Re "The impact exchange rates and commodity prices have on the Australian economy is not increasing." You're right, but only in the present tense. I'm talking about the future.
Demand does indeed respond to changes in price. The problem is that when high oil prices curb demand, GDP will fall because oil cannot readily be substituted throughout the economy like other commodities. Further, a large proportion of economic activity is Australia is based on discretionary demand, for example airlines, tourism, service industries and retail. These will be among the early victims of demand destruction.
Re NYMEX, I wasn't refering specifically to NYMEX. The key point to note is that oil is becoming a sellers' market, not a buyers' market. OPEC (among other exporters) is already expressing concern about declining income due to the devaluing of the USD, for example:
Given that the US imports 75% of its oil, one day soon it may not have the choice of demanding that oil be sold using USD.
AUD
Trade deficit, Howard has sold the farm now we are going broke.
Gareth Eastwood, I don't think the trade deficit is due to the rise in the Australian dollar. It's more to do with Howard's economic mismanagement. We have sold off our companies and now the profits go overseas. We are left with the debt. As interest rates rise we will be in a situation of high overseas debt and no income to pay. Our exports are falling due to a lack of investment in training and infrastructure. Our oil exports are falling.
Howard has sold the farm, and our mineral resources
Hi John. There is additional bad news. According to Monash researcher and lecturer Dr Gavin Mudd and the independent Mineral Policy Institute, the "mining boom is fading fast". Here's a snip...
It would obviously be wise for the government to assess Australia's remaining resource base, but I see no sign of that occurring. The economist's view that higher prices will discover an endless supply of everything seems to prevail.
We're selling off our natural gas overseas at a rapid rate, our oil production peaked in 2000, and now we're suffering a decline in mineral and ore grades. This mining boom will come to an end – probably sooner than anyone thinks – and then we truly will be a banana republic. If global warning doesn't kill those off too...
Trade Deficit and AUD/USD Exchange Rate
Gareth, last month was Australia's 66th consecutive monthly trade deficit, i.e. we haven't had a trade surplus for five and a half years. Given that two thirds of the overall trade deficit is due to net petroleum imports, the favourable AUD/USD exchange rate is the only thing keeping the trade deficit from getting completely out of control, but the economy is at the whims not only of the commodities markets but now also the currency markets.
The really scary thing is that a number of the world's largest economies, oil exporters and institutional investors are giving serious consideration to dumping the USD and switching to the Euro. If we have to start buying oil in Euros rather than USD we will be in serious trouble. Based on Geoscience Australia oil production forecasts, which have been consistently over-optimistic, we will be importing approximately 80% of our oil by 2015. Within seven short years, depending on a number of variables including exchange rates, our petroleum trade deficit alone could reach the equivalent of 10% of GDP. By then our own currency would be at serious risk of collapsing.
If high oil prices start curbing demand for our minerals in Asia, and hence prices, we could experience a double-whammy of stalling resource exports and skyrocketing oil imports; indeed, probably oil shortages given the world oil production situation.
Drastically reducing our oil dependence isn't a matter of choice any more - it's a matter of necessity, i.e. preventing economic collapse.
Oil price at a new record, what do the pollies have to say?
The price of oil continues to climb to the $100 mark, we should be asking all the political candidates what they think the high price of oil may have on our economy? We assume that the good times will continue to roll, but the writing is on the wall. The fuel price went up ten cents a litre in Cairns this week. Are we going to plan for a fuel price of maybe $500 a barrel or more, or just keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best?
Margo: John, please remember the font thing.
Growing Trade Deficit Despite 'Resources Boom'
From yesterday's SMH (emphasis added):
Howard Pre-empts Rising Petrol Prices
And in the Oz:
In the context of peak oil Mr Howard's 'strong, well-run economy' mantra is starting to look like the ravings of a Pacific island cargo-cultist.
Mad Hugo And His Mad Merry Band
Ian McPherson
If you wished to go down the subsidy route I would give massive tax incentives to private investors. This would have the effect of large amounts of money being invested in alternative technologies.
Your point about Hugo Chavez is illustrative, I think, of your agenda. Are all of the millions of Chavez's supporters (the majority of the people in Venezuela) another bunch of people who are as "dumb as a box of rocks", or perhaps another group plagued with "psychological problems"?
Any person that supports Hugo Chavez has one of the problems I have mentioned. A large amount of Venzuelan people do not have any such problems. Educated people leaving Venezuela is now a multi billion dollar business, and one (amongst many) such business benefiting from it is the Canadian oil industry. Any person outside Venezuela supporting Hugo Chavez I would classify as evil.
Morrella and his Merry Band
Hi Paul,
Your post was messy, but I've tried to break it up into comprehensible chunks for the other readers.
I agree entirely. I can't see another alternative. We're going to have to mess it up some more to make it work...
Now, I hope I've got this right...
What should I desist from Paul? You're the one that is stating whole groups of people are "dumb as a box of rocks" or have "psychological problems". In fact, you repeat yourself in this post;
Look Mate, I don't know what to suggest for your problem. Find the answers somewhere else.
Oil And Choice
Ian McPherson
No, the people given them direct subsidies are fools. I would also agree a level playing field with the alternative energy industry would be best. As long as government does not interfere in the market place I have not got any problem at all. The market should be left to decide where it all goes from here - as long as the field is level I take it you agree?
I appeal to you to stop appealing to me (not the first time). The people that control this board have editing control, and obviously they have allowed what was written to be posted. You have as much right to an opinion as I do; what you do not have is the right to dictate what my opinion is, and how I can express it. A continual running commentary dealing with your sensibilities, and who you perceive may be offended by very vague, and lawful generalisations is not something I will be concerning myself with (writing a reply) in the future. People have the right to read or not to read anything written on this board - called the freedom of choice.
My spoken "socialism" (not directed at any individual) is extreme socialism. It was proven in the 20th century that extreme socialism results in total failure in every circumstance. It is therefore valid to believe that many people believing in this form of socialism has either mental constraints or psychological problems (Mr Chavez comes to mind). What racism has to do with a dislike of a political theory is anyone's guess????
Oil, choice and socialism
Paul Morrella:
I agree with you that a level playing field in the energy industry is desirable. The problem is how do we achieve that, now that Big Gov/Biz have already decided to milk the public purse to fuel our lifestyles with subsidised costs. Undoing some of these fossil fuel subsidy "initiatives" will send energy costs up dramatically, hurting everyone but Big Gov, who get the money back in their pocket.
Therein lies the conundrum. From my point of view, we need to leave the currently idiotic subsidy schemes in place for fossil fuels, because to do otherwise would harm all consumers. If that is the case, then the only option is to subsidise renewable energy more, to compensate, in that way levelling the market in a very complex manner.
Can you think of another way to deal with the issue? Believe it or not, I would value your thoughts.
Look, I don't want to fight.
I just don't like it when you group a bunch of people together, in this case people who share a political outlook, and brand most of them "dumb as a box of rocks". That's akin to the scientist who recently stated that black people are less intelligent than white people. In your case you're saying it is because of the way they think. This is bordering on racism, skewed to suit your political agenda.
You don't need this sort of borderline rhetoric to make your point. If your point is good enough, you've done the job. Do you really need to demean groups of people to get your point across? If so, I feel sorry for you...
Your point about Hugo Chavez is illustrative, I think, of your agenda. Are all of the millions of Chavez's supporters (the majority of the people in Venezuela) another bunch of people who are as "dumb as a box of rocks", or perhaps another group plagued with "psychological problems"?
A finite resource
Stuart McCarthy, I have never doubted that oil will eventually run dry (when I am not convinced) it is after all a finite resource. What I do doubt is the consequences predicted by peak oil theorists.
Certainly oil will not be here on Thursday, and gone by Saturday. It will be a progression that will gather momentum over time and the market will reflect this - and I do not mean find every short term shock price to bolster your claims. As the market reflects the changing circumstances so will the lifestyles of people, and the products they consume. This as I have stated before should be a gift from God for the climate change doomsayers. Peak oil is essentially an economic issue that is being built into something that it certainly is not. Lurching into further state control because of this issue would be a huge mistake.
Now what I said were some of the people involved in pushing this particular fraud were the socialist crowd, and the scammer crowd. Contrary to your oft repeated assertions, socialists I happen to hold little fear of socialists. They certainly do not have the power to change much of anything, and for the most part many of them are as dumb as a box of rocks when actually comes to doing anything effective (such as ruling on anything). On the other hand scammers are quiet the opposite, often extremely high wealth individuals with extremely high levels of power, and sway. Far from being in it for noble reasons they are in it for...
The question is why would a person selling or holding oil wish to have rarity issue's, true or not, made very, very public? And anyway what is to say that on the eve of state control the next great find is not a drill bit away? Stranger things have happened.
Evan Hadkins:
If the peak oil theorists are correct subsidies will not be needed. The alternative energy industry will be a massively profitable one. Subsidy gives of the aura of poor business, and failure. There are already a number of companies listed on the NASDAQ that can be invested in today. There are already massive injections into the alternative energy industry by major oil companies and the like (you certainly did'nt just think these companies plan on going bankrupt?). Show me a plan that does not need a subsidy and I guarantee you will find the funds.
Fossil fuel Subsidies
Paul Morella:
An interesting argument Paul. But it doesn't stand up. The fossil fuel industries are highly subsidised in Australia, much more than alternative (I trust you mean renewable) energies. And the investments by the oil industry in their core businesses pale by comparison with their investments in renewable energies (if you would like the figures I can supply them).
On Australian fossil fuel subsides, a study by the Institute for Sustainable Futures in 2007 concluded that:
Using your reasoning ("Subsidy gives of the aura of poor business, and failure."), the fossil fuel industries are therefore poor businesses and failures. Yet the truth is that government and industry have "loaded the dice" to create a distorted marketplace.
The Howard government has very successfully managed to hide this from the public, and paint the renewable energy industry as living on government handouts. In fact, some of the coal-fired power plants are given more in annual subsidies than they make in annual profits (I kid you not – it's in the report above).
Better and fairer, I think, that the government either remove all subsidies on competitive technologies to level the market (which would raise prices and is highly unlikely), or provide subsidies for renewable energies that are percentage equivalents to those for fossil fuels.
Until then, we will never know whether your "market knows best" philosophy can prevail.
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On another note, I would appeal to you again to avoid demeaning people for their political views. Your opinion that many socialists are "dumb as a box of rocks" is insulting and patently untrue. In fact, it is bordering on a racist theme, which trails behind you like a nasty black wake, everywhere you go. Please desist.
Nobody's fault but mine...
Apologies.
In the last post I meant to say:
I think I was concentrating too much on the thpelling and forgetting to write correctly...
Are These People 'Lefties' Too?
Here is a short list of 'lefties', 'greenies' and other sundry communists who are taking this 'peak oil' nonsense seriously:
Ken Deffeyes' Peak Oil Lecture at the 2007 Nobel Conference
OECD now Paying Attention to Peak Oil
An extract from ASPO President Kjell Aleklett's weekly letter: