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Andrews’ Character Test Not About Character
Today's media release by the Law Council of Australia on the matter of Dr Haneef's visa:
The Federal Court’s decision that the Australian Government can not cancel a person’s visa on the basis of an innocent association should be the end of the matter, according to the Law Council. Law Council of Australia President Tim Bugg said, “Australians should be concerned that Minister Andrews is so determined to pursue the power to expel a person from Australia, on the basis that they have, without more, merely associated with a suspected criminal. This is a character test that is not about character at all.” “Why would the Minister want the discretion to expel a person based on an association that ended ten years ago, or was only fleeting, or only reflected a familial connection or professional relationship?” Mr Bugg said. “Broad, unfettered discretions of that kind encourage sloppy research and lazy decision making. That is not the way to protect the Australian community.” Whether or not Justice Spender’s decision survives appeal, serious flaws will remain in how the criminal law and the Migration Act interact. Dr Haneef’s ability to obtain a fair trial was not a matter the Minister was required to consider when cancelling his visa. “Surely the Migration Act should require the Minister to take fair trial implications into account,” Mr Bugg said. “The Minister’s continuing public comments on the alleged merits of the Haneef case, which are so inconsistent with any sense of procedural fairness or the presumption of innocence, provide sufficient cause for his removal,” Mr Bugg concluded.
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Bill of rights
I can just see a bill of rights referendum, as presented by the lib/lab coalition.
Do you want a bill of rights, as proposed by your elected representatives.
Do you want a bill or rights, determined by plebiscite that parliament determines.
Do you want the status quo to prevail, so your rights can continue to be protected.
Do you want the parliament to continue to work in your best interests, using current and future legislation, the parliament may determine, is needed, to protect national, or personal rights.
Australian citizens may not have a right to enter Australia.
We have no rights to enter Australia, even if we are Australian Citizens. This is outrageous, we can only return from our overseas trips if Howard says so? We desperately need a bill of rights.
Another headache for the wretched Andrews
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/2007/40.html
Two of the stupidest and most strident planks of the anti-refugee policy were the claim that even though a Russian Jewish family were refugees they could have gone to Israel and this one where it was claimed that the people could were refugees but could have moved to another part of the country.
The whole idea of the refugee convention is that if people are refugees in your territory according to law then they are refugees in your country and you don't get to parcel them out to other countries.
Thank goodness a bit more sanity will now be imposed on the laws.
But it is another headache for Andrews because others of his arbitrary 501 visa cancellations are being overturned as well, and these are for people who have actually committed crimes and spent some time in prison.
I was libelled by Rupert
In the News Of The World many many years ago..they confused me with a chap with the same name who was porn film producer..I was working on music film and when our press release went out that simply wrote up the others history as mine.
This was great news..a case of mistaken identity..lawyers queued to sue but the NoTW stumped up with 25K within a week. Got a nice new mini.
Damn
Here is another chicken home to lay eggs
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22314918-5005962,00.html
All the smearing of Therese Rein has forced her to sell her business and lay off staff but the lies were just that - lies.
I bet the Murdoch stable don't apologise though.
great minds
See you have yourselves in tied up in knots of vituperative sardonicism if exchange between Richard and Alga is typical. No, can't stop laughing, self- will come back later...
Richard: What have I done now ? Hey Paul, we should catch up for a chin-wag.
Mary was a little lamb
You know, with the dumbing down thing with SBS and Media Watch watch up and running, took note of Mary J's comment about appalling ABC news tonight and suppression of Rein innocence through omission. Typical of ABC Adelaide. Used to like Domique, as saving grace, but fembot bit is becoming aggravating.
As to the long laugh, the idea you blokes drew my attention to over politicians and a citizenship test asking, "have you ever deliberately deceived the Australian public?" "Do as we say, not as we do". Also, the conservative estimate of the numbers caught out.
Richard, have not forgotten your invitations of previous times - God knows have to kick over rut - but cannot be this Wednesday - two quacks appointments at wrong time.
I am named in two books
Tony Kevin has paid me tribute in his book "A Certain Maritime Incident: the sinking of SIEVX" so does that mean I co-authored it? I did do my share of research over the many years of the investigation as regular diarists and sievx.com readers know, but I would not more claim co-authorship than fly to the moon.
David Corlett spent about 8 hours interviewing me and using the copious amount of notes and files I gave him for the first chapter of his book "Following them Home" which covers some of what happened to the Bakhtiyari family.
Am I the co-author? I don't think so.
For Andrews to contribute a small article to each of three books and call himself the co-author is a joke. No wonder he is called the Maxwell Smart of national security.
Shocked
Andrews rivals shepherd for intelligence
Marily J. Shepherd "I am named in two books".
Does this mean you reckon you are of equivalent intelligence to Andrews? Mustn't forget the Batman comics if I should ever visit you in hospital (or jail, more likely in your case).
More later.
RIchard: Batman comics? What, no X-Men?
All politicians would fail any character or honesty test.
I doubt any politician would pass a character test involving their veracity, especially the ones holding law degrees. Andrew's fails miserably with his false claims of authorship. You don't even have to do any digging, to see the evidence supporting they are all liars and can't be trusted in anyway whatsoever. Until we have accountability in government, bureaucracy and corporations, nothing will change, only get worse as we are seeing.
Richard: Let's see... Ministerial Character Test #1: Have you ever knowingly deceived the Australian public? There goes at least half of them.
Howard has Australia on the verge of a breakdown.
11 years of Howard's fear mongering has us turned us into nervous wrecks. We really need a change of government to break out of this mentality of fear. We can face the challenges ahead with courage and strength but we need true leaders, not small minded bigots.
What do mates do to each other?
Now we are being told the values Australians must embrace.
Fair Go ..... Did we give the Asylum Seekers on the Tampa a fair go?
Freedom of speech....“The government has failed to justify its decision to merge the Classification Board into the Attorney-General’s office and explicitly rejected any community consultation on the decision.”
“Government censorship of political material is not only impractical and contrary to Australia’s long history of free speech, but serves to legitimate the material in question.”
A nation that is at ease with the World... that is why we are fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And why we have a record of wanting to be part of nearly every war that has been called in the last 100 years or so.
About mates, you know what birds do with their mates, well, one mate is enough for me?
It seems most of the Howard government would fail the Citizen test.
The problem is, which country would have them? Howard might be able to go the US being on first name terms with Bush and all. Bush is his mate, now that is a horrible thought.
Richard: Perhaps a Webdiarist could start up a list of "Ministerial Character Tests?' and see who passes?
Andrews to lose Australian Citizenship?
from andrews?
David, very impressive. Discernment of another exercise in the application of arbitrary power in the Senate coming up. Resistance as facile as subceptional?
Fancy being able to make a virtue out of Hitleresque demagogue rabble rousing and thuggery. And over and over again. A policy sow's ear of meaninglessness becomes an election selling point silk purse.
Don't underestimate their ability to "sell" it. They got away with blaming the states, IR "W.........s", gutting education and media, the horrific indigenous "little children" guff, and nearly even Haneef. In that instance, but for their own incredible ineptitude handling the mechanics of the thing, somebody would still be rotting in jail and they would have had another propaganda dark victory, courtesy of the clique Muslim insurgent "other".
Fudging CV
In today's Age there is a story about Mr. Andrews having claimed to be an author associated with three books. The publishers state that he did not author the books but did contribute articles. There would appear to be issues of character in relation to this.
The point is that he hounded Dr. Haneef on the flimsiest of grounds; but has now been caught out himself. Hypocrisy would appear to be alive and well.
Priciples of justice must prevail!
Howard and his gestapo (ASIO) have shown their contempt for justice. Australia was under much more threat during both world wars, but still we prided ourselves on our judicial systems. Our fathers fought and died for them. Now we stand by and watch these very systems being eroded. We are on a slippery slope to dictatorship. It is time to stand up and fight for justice.
Wedged At Last
The ALP really have scored a victory with Rudd's hospital announcements, no matter how it pans out in the end. It's pleasing to see Howard blind-sided by his own tactics
The one thing Aussies will not give up is Medicare. The persistent tinkering around the edges by the Coalition has always gone down badly but talk about painting themselves into a corner with the Tasmanian hospital announcement – it’s rather delicious to watch the Howard government in meltdown.
Who knows what Rudd will be like as PM – but I think we will have a more pragmatic leader who will need at least ten years to clear out the garbage of the Howard years.
Naturally we are now seeing the current government at its most dangerous, thrashing wildly at anything that moves. The life or reputation of one Indian doctor means nothing. We should all be on high alert.
Quite Deliberate
I don't think Andrews' decision was incompetent so much as avaricious.
The Minister argued for the widest possible interpretation of his discretion under the Act – so that in effect an innocent familial or professional relationship could suffice for disqualification.
The foreshadowed appeals tell us that the government continues to seek the greatest possible powers, and continues to believe such a position is politically saleable.
It seems to me that KRudd occupies much the same political ground.
In this case incompetence flows from the AFP. Justice Spender said that "facts" placed before the Minister by the AFP were fully capable of supporting a disqualification under the character test, but were not employed by the Minister and he made a jurisdictional error.
If any of the "facts" remained true today, then Minister Andrews can simply make a new decision cancelling Haneef's visa. A new AFP and ASIO report could clarify the situation. Or at least it could if AFP were a police force as distinct from political servants of the neo-regime.
Richard: Good to see you around the place again, Bryan. Anybody from up your way making the trek to Sydney?
shiny-bums' shame
Subtitle: how dare they?
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Defence blocks staff's Wikipedia access
Posted August 24, 2007 08:10:00
Updated August 24, 2007 08:57:00
The Defence Department is blocking staff from editing public encyclopedia Wikipedia amid revelations they had made more than 5,000 changes.
PM 'not behind Wikipedia edits'
Posted August 24, 2007 11:25:00
The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet says Prime Minister John Howard did not ask any of his staff to edit online public encyclopedia Wikipedia.
Big brother, I love you
Yes Phil, I read that, too. They are on another great Kafka-esque witch hunt, tracing the comments back to source. I hear Winston Smith got told to clear out his desk and may be off for "rehab", along with Kostakidis.
Be afraid; very afraid.
But that beggar .....looked so hopeless...boom, 15yrs
Hi Paul, what is the issue with Ms Kostakidis? It seems a little hard to get the details.
And Fiona, nice one about the Law Council. I wonder how the Full Bench will go with this one. Rather a "discerner" for one to look at each judge’s decision, one might think. Ben Saul when interviewed about the judgement talked of how the laws were just bad laws. It is what I said before, that a person can be found guilty of a 15 year penalty charge for giving a SIM card to a cousin who later may (not prove guilty there yet) commit a crime that one has no idea about ,and the cousin has no criminal record at all.
I hope that beggar at Heathrow doesn't turn out to be a terrorist as I gave him a pound. He could've had a record by the look of him :-O
Cheers
welcome back
Hi Angela,
Can understand you have been preoccupied, what with rocket trip to space station in shuttle and so forth, and those sticky tiles again.
Back here on earth, all hell broke out early this week. Would get Fiona to explain, but apparently she hasn't owned a television for twenty years, so will try my best instead.
Mary Kostakidis, long suffering heroine of Australian resistance to the dumbing down of public broadcasting; specifically SBS, finally had enough with the putdowns and petty provocations of the hard-right management there. She walked out and is now loudly threatening to sue, with Julian Burnside offering to represent her in court against notorious managerial toe rags Shaun Brown and Paul Cutler, appointees of the Howard-stacked board there (think Christopher Pearson, a Murdoch hack at the Oz, loud fashion snob Carla Zampatti and rickety Gerald Stone of "Sixty Adverts" notoriety). A very "butch" resulting management culture – makes the NSW right look intellectual and sensitive by comparison – are the sort of people who brought in advertising and shit content, also recruiting their ol' buddy Stan Grant to ease out Kostakidis, who actually thinks the news should be the news: no junk, no Britney Spears. For a humorous take, read Chris Henning’s What in the World is Wrong, Mary, at SMH, 24/8.
Well, Kostakidis finally walked, under sufferance. But it has been the loudest departure since the lava left Krakatoa. Half the continent is inundated in the stink, which is spreading rapidly across what's left.
Heavy hitters like the Oz columnist Amanda Meade have come out swinging for her and the blogs, papers and telly have been full of it. Grant has disappeared "sick". Just what the coalition needed just when it was trying to get people to focus on its manufactured "surplus".
Which might be poetic justice, when you think about it.
baby hughie
There is a whole whack of stuff of similar flavour continuing over this in the newspapers, latest including Richard Ackland and Sushi Das from Fairfax.
This week was to be rollback, the long-awaited counter-attack set up by the stagey presentation of the so called surplus, to be dashed around via big-end tax cuts and porkbarrelling. But first the Spender decision and a sulky response from Andrews, like a spoilt little boy having a maimed insect taken away from him just when he was pulling the legs off, blunted the impact.
Then, Kostakidis' loss of patience with SBS reminded everyone of the damage done to media over the last decade and how suspicious the rationale for the harm has been. This angry and most public denouement was reinforced by some suspicious stuff from Costello showing his true colours, concerning more quasi-legal censorship along the lines of what happened a while back with the Greens tied up in court by Gunns. Meanwhile, Howard, perhaps blinded by the dazzle of the failure to neutralise Rudd with the club outing smear, stumbled on, reminding people of how morally-bankrupt he was, arrogantly renewing his relationship with the obnoxious and serially-slanderous Brethren.
All of which did nicely to set up another breathtakingly beautiful flanking manoeuvre from Labor and Rudd, this time reversing the seemingly impregnable Health debate. The coalition redoubtably outsmarted themselves, reminiscint of inept Ralph Willis and Costello's phoney letter in the '96 campaign, in this most significant of pre-election weeks.
Andrews has shown he is a fool
We saw Philip Ruddock do his nudge, nudge, wink, wink job over the cases of Shayan Badraei, the Bakhtiyaris, and thousands of others as he tried to convince us they are bad people who don't deserve a skerrick of respect.
One such family was Fatima's. She is an Afghan who came to Australia in early 2000 when she was 15 years old, with her parents and five younger brothers. Another brother had been taken by the Taliban, their shop had been destroyed and the grand fathers had both been slaughtered. They spent everything they had from their shop, travelled across country for three months in trucks, vans, on donkeys and finally a boat to Australia.
Fatima had dysentry caught in Indonesia as did her one year old brother and instead of medical care the family of 8 got to share a one room donga with three bunks in it for the next five months in Port Hedland before being dumped like stray rats in Adelaide in August 2000. They were in Port Hedland with Ali Bakhtiyari actually and released as Afghan refugees on the same day.
I met the family at a new years eve party on 31 December 2001 and discovered that this government had given all the Afghans a birthdate of either 1/1 or 31/12 just to make things easier and I met about 130 Afghans along with some wonderful aborigines and a crazy catholic priest.
Lowitja O'Donohue was the host along with Stephen Watkins of ABC fame and a couple of other stolen children - their hearts broke into small pieces over the idea of locking the children up in Woomera - it was close to a concentration camp they had been forced to live in as kids.
Anyway Fatima and her family are citizens, are planning to vote ALP and she is going to be a lawyer.
The moral of the story is that not only does Andrews come across like a clown, he comes across as an ill-informed clown.
Poor Decision Making
Mr. Andrews has shown disdain for due process in Dr. Haneef's case; he cannot now be expected to make good decisions in any potential future case where terrorism is alleged. It will be a good day if at the next election Mr. Andrews is superseded: Australia needs better decision makers than Mr. Andrews.
Surrender Is Not An Option
Australia will continue to pay for the bad faith legislation that we have allowed our politicians to foist upon us.
The draconian powers that are given to our police, spooks and politicians should be immediately reversed. Believe it or not these people are our servants not some one who can lord it over us.
There is no credible threat to Australia's security that any legislation can stop, in fact the only threats are little more than boogey-man shadows, and yet we bleat like silly sheep in acquiescence (apologies to the sheep).
In the mean time, we have seen stupidity heaped on top of malice and salted with the vehement puritanical streak of the UnLiberal Party led by the most divisive cretin that Australia has had the misfortune to encourage.
I have a faint hope that Rudd might do better.