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Australia turns up the heat on climate change?"Australians should be proud of what we are achieving at home to meet the climate change challenge" Alexander Downer in the Age this morning. Is he right? Well, let's start by looking at Alex's undoubtedly powerful evidence ...
You have to hand it to the man, starting with the really big stuff like this ... Must be worth at least a centi-wedge if every country followed our lead.
Neither of which will be in operation for some years, but hey, a step in the right direction ...
But not to actually start one or to set any emissions targets for it so that it could start ... And, er, that would appear to be it for our proud actions at home. Now for the global stage ...
That would be particularly, of course, the few countries that haven't already signed up to a global agreement: which ones were they, again?
And here we hit another of the speedbumps in the drag-racing fest that is Australia's leadership on climate change. Because, as it happens, we know what the big proposals are from us as the host nation for APEC, because they were leaked to Greenpeace last week. And the big proposed actions are ...
You can see how this frenzy of urgent and drastic action will be hard for the APEC leaders to take on board. Likewise the proposed target for reduction of emissions by 25% from a 2005 base by 2030 - which for some of the big emitters in APEC would not even be achieving their Kyoto 2012 target. Forestry gets much of the limelight, focusing on the "aspirational goal of expanding forest cover in the APEC region by at least 20 million hectares by 2020" - this does, in fact, amount to a full wedge in the unlikely event that the aspirations are met. Clearly Australia's ability to contribute to this is negligible if the drought persists. Limelight part 2 goes to the Asia Pacific Network for Energy Technology, which is going to concentrate on "those [technologies] which are not yet available for large scale demonstration or commercial development" - another headlong rush into action, then. And then there's energy efficiencies, claimed in the pre-APEC papers to have the potential to get 80% of the necessary savings - a claim sourced from the IEA, rather than any of the bodies studying the problem. I've already quoted the pitiful suggested target above - but it turns out once we get to the detail that the proposal isn't actually as stringent (hah!) as it looks in the headlines - no, the proposed target is not, after all, a reduction in emissions at all - it is a reduction in energy intensity - ie the emissions per unit of GDP (or dollar, that being the unit we quote GDP in). Since GDP will probably grow by about 3%pa over the period of the target (and probably much more than that in the economies of the big emitters in APEC), that brings a doubling in the size of GDP by 2030, and a 25% reduction in energy intensity is the rip-roaring target of a 50% increase in actual emissions. Compare this with Mark Lynas' view that we need a 60% cut in emissions by 2030, and you can see how the proposed APEC declaration will bring Australia into world leadership on the issue. And compare it with the fact that the proposed target for energy intensity would mean less progress on that measure in the future than we've actually achieved in the past. Perhaps we can give the last word to Mr Downer:
Well, no, after all we can't let him get away with such obvious bollocks. There is a meaning to the Howard government's proposed solution, and that meaning is to essentially do nothing except aspire to grow some trees. Time for a change? Or maybe we should indeed start on that "focus on adapting to impacts of climate change" - time to start building that 7-meter-high wall around the coastline, because if Howard and Downer are still in charge, we're going to need it. UPDATE from Greenhouse 2007: two significant reports released by CSIRO at Greenhouse 2007 dispute the ministerial lines on climate change and drought:
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Kevin 07, over the limit
Hi Ernest, even though I don't agree with your political affiliations, You're right in your supposition regarding the return to a 19th century elitist approach. I struggle to see any real difference between Howard and Rudd and as the days go on, the more the differences are blurred. Your champion seems to be on a bulging head trip, already obsessed with power and control. The performance of Labor's environment minister is further proof of the Tweedledum Tweedledee approach of the ruling lib/lab coalition, neither faction has placed before the people real approaches and outcomes for climate change and other than meaningless frills around the edges, both seem totally locked into the status quo. Where are the policies needed to address the daily deteriorating situation? The Arctic Nth W. passage wasn't expected to be fully open for at least 20-30years, yet is now navigable and currently being surveyed for commercial shipping. We are already seeing a huge increase in spontaneous violent storms hitting our coast lines, continuing drought, earlier wild bush fires. A real solution for the Murray Darling calamity has disappeared, as lib/lab across the country fight to be on the top of the propaganda heap, with meaningless handouts and very short term bandaid fixes which won't solve the problems. Climate change is happening decades before the experts predicted, but no response from lib/lab.
Howard is throwing billions at the Pacific highway, as oil supplies dwindle, yet they send our best alternative energy inventions into oblivion, bankruptcy or overseas. Australian green house gas emissions are now high above what they expected in 2020, yet Rudd just says, me too John.
So Ernest where is the justice for the people and the environment in all this, where is the future under this lib/lab elitist coalition? I see no solution until we stop voting for those whose only intent is corporate control, irrelevant to the real outcomes. Kevin .07, seems above the legal limit to me, already drinking out of the same bowl as Johnny and Co and getting drunker on the poisonous flavours of power.
You May be Right Alga But...
G'day Alga,
Your perceptions are different to mine and yet I don't see any conflict in our aims for a better world for everyone.
I suggest that that has been the objective of civilised people since the beginning of recorded time.
However, people can only do so much on their own and it is therefore necessary to build unity with a common objective to succeed in any of our targets.
So we have two political parties who can, due to their size, actively promote the wishes of the electorate regarding all matters on the home front.
Neither is perfect of course but I think that most of our people resent the autocratic control being forced upon them by the Howard government and by fascist means.
In addition, I cannot remember our country ever being so confused, bitter, afraid and consumed by petty hatreds as they are now, entirely due to the division policies of the Howard "New Order". Not even during WW 2.
Of the 15 Prime Ministers that I do remember in some way or form, I cannot recall any of them putting so much energy and money into the sole purpose of division as has Howard.
So Alga, IMHO "the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step" and while only one of our major political parties has a real and independent plan for our future, we should support them.
Even though the world is shrinking in terms of interaction and technology, it is still incumbent upon the National governments, of whatever type, to organise themselves first and foremost before trying to influence other countries.
Nelson Mandala seems to have a wonderful attitude to the way democracy and its freedom should be modelled. Nevertheless, he would have very little influence on the Big 8 other than to earn their respect.
But hasn't he done a fantastic job in his area where he can make a difference?
However, it seems to me that the government of our nation could and should do a lot more than it is on issues of monumental importance like Climate Change. But the excuse that "every nation" must do it before we do is a typical Howard "cop out".
Like America, our Labor State and Territory governments have decided on their individual targets and Howard has merely lumped them together and claimed them as the "target" he said we should never have.
Clearly on that matter only Kevin Rudd has a firm and calculated policy. The Howard government still doesn't believe in it and will only act in absolute compliance with Howard's mate, George W. Bush.
Australia's Man of the Year Professor Flannery made a similar statement on last night's Lateline.
Do it now - any contribution is better than none.
I hope I don't appear to be lecturing Alga but, like you, I have a passionate view on Australian politics at this crucial time in our history.
Cheers Mate.
Ern G.
Charity begins at Home.
Perhaps it is my service training but, we are taught to concentrate on the major issues at hand.
Especially the Army - they cannot afford to lose absolute concentration in times of peril.
I believe that we ARE in times of peril and this forum provides an avenue of dissent, generally outlawed in Howard's "New Order" Australia.
While I feel that the problems overseas are in many ways affecting our security, for better or worse; our morality, for better or worse; our hatred of torture and the murder of innocent people, I still feel that at this time in our history, the concern of those issues are only for those who can afford them.
We are a nation that, in my life-time, has changed so much from a society of "unfairly treated deportees" (English laws against the poor) to a world-recognised egalitarian community.
And I have witnessed the controlled return to the former unhappy situation due to the Howard "New Order".
So, I make no apology for my parochial attitude.
The Howard "New Order" has taken us back to the 19th century, legally, morally and industrially.
Well might the "New Order" say, we were born to rule.
Bring on the election.
NE OUBLIE.
Unacceptable risk of dangerous climate change
Howard and Turnbull are putting Australia's eggs in the nuclear or coal industries, meanwhile Australian solar technology is likely to provide the majority of the US with electricity.
We do not have the time to wait for nuclear or the fantasy of clean coal.
We need to invest now in solar power stations.
Greens response to APEC declaration on CC
9th Sep 07
Australian Greens Climate Change Spokesperson, Senator Christine Milne, today condemned last night's APEC Sydney Declaration as an agreement that recognises the challenge of climate change but does nothing to face up to that challenge.
Senator Milne said "If there is one thing more unforgivably irresponsible than refusing to acknowledge impending danger, it is recognising that danger, pretending to face up to it, but doing nothing to stop it. In the cold light of day, that is what Mr Howard, Mr Bush and all the other so-called leaders have done with the APEC Sydney Declaration.
"The whole agreement is geared towards marginal changes at a glacial pace. With glacial melt already speeding up, this is the time for swift and decisive action.
"The Sydney Declaration leaves the 2C challenge behind. Scientists tell us we need global emissions to peak in the next 8 years if we are to keep warming to less that 2C, above which we risk runaway climate change. But APEC has agreed to keep emissions rising for at least 25 years, deliberately risking catastrophe.
"Energy intensity targets, at the heart of the Declaration, are
specifically designed to obscure reality. They allow politicians to talk in apparently high numbers - 25% by 2030 - but will actually see emissions continue to grow only slightly slower than they otherwise would, when they need to be coming down rapidly.
"What's more, these energy intensity targets are pitifully unambitious. China has already set itself far more stringent intensity targets - 20% by 2010. Rich nations can easily achieve absolute emissions reductions with simple, cheap energy efficiency measures.
"But, in the Sydney Declaration, coal remains king, and the ongoing use of fossil fuels is prioritised over energy efficiency and renewable energy every time.
"The afforestation targets in the Declaration are both weak and
hypocritical. How can the Australian Government tell our neighbours in Indonesia and PNG to stop logging when Tasmania's forests are still being felled at a tremendous rate and the Prime Minister's favoured Pulp Mill will emit 10 million tonnes of CO2 every year.
"The one bright spot in the declaration is the commitment to progress with the UN climate change framework, snubbing Mr Howard and President Bush.
"Australian voters looking approvingly at Mr Rudd's call for binding targets in should be asking him how he plans to meet sich targets when he supports expanding the coal industry and won't even let his potential Environment Minister assess the Gunns Pulp Mill on the basis of its greenhouse emissions."
Generations to come will pay very dearly
APEC failed to agree on targets and now we are looking at "aspiration al targets". I have an aspirational target of weighing 80kg, I have been trying to get there for forty years. A target without a date is a dream.
Experts stunned by loss of ice in the Arctic.
Three years ago scientist thought that the Arctic would not be ice free until the end of the century,now they say by 2030. This is likely to be the result in less than 23 years.
It now seems that climate change is happening much faster than has been predicted. Still are leaders are not taking the necessary steps to prevent catastrophe. It might take a revolution to turn the world around.
Australia lacks credentials on climate change.
Downer doesn't like the truth, Australia would be taken more seriously on climate change, if it signed the Kyoto Protocol.
The most remarkable long-range forecast ever made.
Lib/Lab coalition, don't fit with truth
“There is not truth - unless we take back Australia from the "New Order". “
Ernest, Rudd and the labor party are a willing part of the new order. Their “me too” approach to virtually every new order policy, including the chip mill is ample proof of their veracity and direction. The only way to take Australia back from the “New Order”, is to remove the lib/lab coalition and change the system. However it's useless to shut the gate when the horse has bolted in regard to climate change and the environment, the gate should have been shut 30 years ago. Now it can't be shut, until we change the system, now all that can be done is prepare for the inevitable consequences. We are seeing the beginnings now, with east coast storms of summer intensities and huge rain falls, whilst drought ravages most other parts of the country. Sth Australia introducing fire bans in the middle of winter, temperatures in Tasmania over the last few days and at this time for the last 2 years, being in the mid 20's with hot blustering northerlies, drying everything out in hours and fuelling the coming fire period.
The gate to catastrophe for the planet and the human race is being firmly held open in this country, by the lib/lab coalition and the current political and bureaucratic system. Whilst the gate to a viable sustainable future of environmental stability and growth, is being held shut by those supporting the new order through political parties and the incompetent political and bureaucratic system.
Truth and the "New Order" do not mix.
Mark Latham must be smiling at last. He tried to tell us - "How does Howard get away with it?" No one was listening!
In our Westminster system of government, the power of both the Senate and the House of Representatives being in the same hands, was always a possibility and would have been considered by the Federation Fathers.
They would not have contemplated someone like Howard however, using the powers that be to create an unaccountable autocracy.
We should also remember that Bob Brown's "Accountability" bill for governments was defeated on party grounds and ALL Liberals and Nationalists voted against it. Including "Judas" Joyce.
Yet all members of the Australian Labor Party, the Australian Greens and the Australian Democrats voted FOR it.
The Howard "New Order" plans to destroy that document which will leave us as the only industrialised nation in the world without a Bill of Rights.
It matters not that the Americans, who he tries to emulate, are enormously proud of their Bill of Rights. But that would protect the rights of every person and the existence of the States.
When you think of the power of the U.S. and their ability to manipulate elections - we have to "keep our eyes on the ball" whenever the spiteful little schoolboy calls the election.
There is not truth - unless we take back Australia from the "New Order".
NE OUBLIE.
Downer Wrong on Climate Change- UN Chief
So wrong in they eyes of Yvo de Boer that he personally contacted the Age to make a correction.
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The Mill Muddle Moves On.
I wasn't too far off in my post "These GUNNs do fire", by predicting another committee to report after the election.
As Malcom Turnbull finds himself wedged instead of the Australian Labor Party, he (Howard) delays his responsibility under the guise of caring about what the people think.
Let's all tell him a few facts:
"Any job is better than none" for Australians says Howard. How many crimes has he committed against the Australian people under the cover of that phrase?
The Howard government has tried to make the middle to lower income workers of our nation utter beggars in our own country.
The Howard/Hockey system of permitting Corporations to pollute our air and water and to gouge our natural resources for huge profits is well over the top.
They claim that it must be - so that the mostly foreign Corporations will be charitable and give SOME jobs to Australians - is a disgusting Howardism.
So Malcolm and the CFMEU - maintain the status quo and give these polluters a shock to their "jobs" blackmail.
NE OUBLIE.
Some hope on carbon capture and storage technology
The Qld labor government has helped the development of the technology that could prove the viability of carbon capture and storage technology.
As usual the Federal government is critical and offers no support.
These GUNNS Do Fire.
According to Malcolm Turnbull, (the once bankrupted Millionaire) the yet to be built Tasmanian Pulp Mill par excellence, would be well within the World standard for the deadly Dioxins.
That is for "Pulp Mills of its kind"?
Yet Kerry O'Brien in his 7:30 report, gave the expert's opinions that the Dioxin the proposed mill will dump into the environment, is equal to 80% of the total of that created by 47 pulp mills in Sweden.
If we harken back to 2004, Mark Latham, correctly and courageously in my opinion, backed Bob Brown regarding the destruction of the beautiful Tasmanian forest - by GUNNs.
Howard, forever the lying opportunist, jumped in to an unlikely Union meeting of workers and said he would protect their jobs by allowing that eco disaster.
His performance as always, targeted the hip pocket and "jobs". I believe it gained him very important Senate seats for which all Australians are now paying dearly.
So, once again the "apple Isle" is a cause for concern.
Howard has worries about his marginal seats and will throw our money around like there is no tomorrow.
No matter how many times Turnbull cries "De States - De States" he cannot dodge the responsibility of the final say being his. How about another useless Howard Committee to report after the election?
Without his imprematur the GUNN's pulp mill cannot go ahead.
The destructive effect on the environment would be avoided.
The effect on the workers should be nil because, as I understand it, no one has been employed to man the new Mill anyway.
The Senate seats won by the Liberals in 2004 are not up for grabs this time, so that issue is also a non-event.
Malcolm - maintain the status quo and Mr. Cousins will be happy too.
NE OUBLIE.
" Australians should be proud....
Did that idiot really say that?
This is after another year of shennanigans down in Tasmania over the disappearing carbon sinks there. "Decisions made exclusively the basis of commercial factors " is the real mantra of our age. Except that none of them seem to be able to work out the real factors that comprise this, as regards to conflict of interest between a company and wider society.
It can be great for a company to piddle filth into a pristine environment , but how good for the community that carries the parasite, when other producers are ruined and the bills begin to roll in for the later hospitals, hospitalisations and clean-ups?
Richard: Hey Paul, how's life at the other end of Brompton? It's time we caught up for a cuppa?
The heat's on us
No one’s doing anything about climate change, not even the growingly aware public. Everyone's waiting for someone to provide the answers, or do it for them, rather than they make the effort. We have all the technology, resources and reasons to act. But this has been talked about for the last 30 years and it has just gets worse and worse. Downer, like all those in power, has no interest in change, unless it’s towards more for the rich at any cost.
I expect by the time people realise what's happening, it will be too late for them to act. As history shows us, people can see things like war coming their way, but until it actually rolls over them, think it won't happen to them, so they stay and do nothing, just hope. The only way to stop it is to get rid of the current political and bureaucratic system, driving climate change and supporting corporate market and profit, driven control.
The Willing Suspension of Disbelief
David, I'm so astonished at Downer's gall that the best I can do is offer this quote from John Ralston Saul's The End of Globalism:
Listen Closely to the Howard Play on Words.
Surely the foreign policies of the Howard "New Order" are only mirror-images of the Bush Administration?
Gary Nairn, the Liberal member for Eden-Monaro claims that they Liberal/Nationalist government have not decided on Nuclear Reactors. Fair dinkum.
Yet the media has reported more than enough information to contradict that statement.
Bush undoubtedly wants his companies to build Nuclear Reactors inAustralia and to create a world Nuclear Waste facility for that dangerous product. You see, the American people have forbidden him to dump the toxic material in their country - so why not Howard's?
Howard has even openly stated that these Reactors will be situated as decided by commercial interests! No poll needed there eh?
As I have stated before Gary Nairn gave his half-hearted excuse - Eden Monaro has a welter of lakes and plenty of access to thePacific Ocean .
Wherever the "Commercial Interests" decide to build them - a Howard government would concede!
Nationalist Mark Vaile (of AWB infamy) tries to copy his Liberal masters with rhetoric by saying it will take years! So what? Does that make it less dangerous and toxic?
So a vote for Howard's "New Order" means we have all mandated:
And most of all the absolute fact that Howard and his robots will "never ever" keep their collective word.
And as Abbott would say "that's a rock solid iron clad promise"!
NE OUBLIE.
Listen
Ernest William, you really must be worried now that Dr.Death (Rudd) has said that if Labor wins they will run the hospitals.
The States can't run the hospital system and they have had years of experience - how is an inexperienced Rudd going to do it? More policy on the run without thinking it through.
I can well imagine that sometime before the election he will come out with a "Hawkie" (No child will live in poverty) and blow the whole deal.
Daft Newpolitik
Alan, assuming that Rudd wins the next election, I believe that his job description is Prime Minister.
What makes you think that he is going to run hospitals instead? Isn't that the job of the Health Minister? Perhaps Rudd will do both jobs, but I doubt it, or perhaps you are just having your usual Right-Left head-kicking brain fart.
On your last paragraph, what's that thing about flying pigs? I believe that short of being photographed, naked, in bed, on top of Janette (actually after reading about her, I believe she goes on top), nothing will disrupt the inevitable.
Howard says no plebiscite on nuclear power stations
Howard says democracy is OK on council boundaries but isn't so sure about democracy when it comes to putting nuclear power stations in our backyards. The man is such a hypocrite.
Howard must read Webdiary. A backflip on plebiscite today
Now Howard says, we are going to get to vote on where the nuclear power stations will go. Anyone putting their hand up for their suburb? What is going to happen that will make us accept nuclear power? The price of coal or the terrible effects of climate change?
Either way it looks like a bleak future.
Do You Reaally Believe in Any of Your Rhetoric P.M.?
Kerry O'Brien interviews John Howard of Surplus. 21 August 2007.JOHN HOWARD: Well Kerry, what we're going to do is out of future surpluses - and these are surpluses that will arise from the end of the current financial year and thereafter - we're going to invest in a few fund and out of that we will invest in economic and social infrastructure. We will, in the time ahead, not necessarily before the election, [cute?] lay out some of the criteria but we're dealing here with a medium-term fiscal strategy. We're not talking here about short-term investments. I mean this fund will not become operational until just under a year from now and then it will take a while to accumulate earnings, so you're not talking about expenditure out of this fund
Do any of us really trust the Howard "New Order?"
Will Indian reactors be an act of green-ness?
I'm expecting the US-Australia joint contribution to the War On Climate Change to be the reduction in emissions generated by the provision of reactors and uranium to India. Bush is going to need something to announce (or pre-announce) at APEC.
Any takers?