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The dissident view on Howard's martial law plan

Here is this week's open letter to Mal Brough from Indigenous leaders opposed to Howard's plan.

For more on Howard's policy, see Are Aborigines Howard's Tampa 2 (June 22), The PM who saved the children? (June 23), Recommendations of the Sacred Children report (June 26)  and The dissident's alternative plan for NT Aborigines (July 12).


26 June 2007

Open letter to The Hon. Mal Brough MP
Minister for Families, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra
ACT  2600

Dear Minister Brough

The undersigned organisations write this joint and open letter in order to convey our views on action required to stop the abuse of children in Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory, and our concerns about aspects of the Australian Government’s response to this problem as outlined in your statement of 21 June 2007.

The safety and well-being of Indigenous children is paramount. We welcome your commitment to tackling violence and abuse in certain Indigenous communities. We are deeply concerned at the severity and widespread nature of the problems of child sexual abuse and community breakdown in Indigenous communities in the NT, catalogued in the Little Children are Sacred Report.

We wish to work collaboratively with Governments and the communities affected to ensure that children are protected. We would like to see greater investment in the services that support Indigenous families and communities, the active involvement of these communities in finding solutions to these problems and greater Federal Government engagement in delivering basic health, housing and education services to remote communities.

There is general agreement among the communities affected, Governments and service providers and in the wider Australian community that urgent action is required to address the abuse and neglect of children and to assist those affected by it.

We note that the services which most Australians take for granted are often not delivered to remote Indigenous communities, including adequately resourced schools, health services, child protection and family support services, as well as police who are trained to deal with domestic violence in the communities affected. We endorse the call in the Little Children are Sacred Report for the Australian and Territory Governments to work together urgently to fill these gaps in services.

There is also a need for a longer term plan to address the underlying causes of the problem, including community breakdown, joblessness, overcrowding and low levels of education.

Successfully tackling these problems requires sustainable solutions, which must be worked out with the communities, not prescribed from Canberra.

We are committed to working with the Government to ensure that in developing and introducing the proposed measures, support is provided to Indigenous communities’ efforts to resolve these problems. The proposals go well beyond an ‘emergency response’, and will have profound effects on people’s incomes, land ownership, and their ability to decide the kind of medical treatment they receive. Some of the measures will weaken communities and families by taking from them the ability to make basic decisions about their lives, thus removing responsibility instead of empowering them.

In their present form the proposals miss the mark and are unlikely to be effective. There is an over-reliance on top-down and punitive measures, and insufficient indication that additional resources will be mobilised where they are urgently needed; to improve housing, child protection and domestic violence supports, schools, health services, alcohol and drug rehab programs. These issues have been raised by many Indigenous leaders over many years.

We offer our support to Indigenous communities and the Government in:

• developing programs that will strengthen families and communities to empower them to confront the problems they face;

• consulting adequately with the communities and NT Government, and community service, health and education providers;

• developing a long term plan to address and resolve the causes of child abuse including joblessness, poor housing, education and commit the necessary resources to this.


Yours sincerely
 

Mick Dodson

Rt Hon Malcolm Fraser and Dr Lowitja O'Donoghue
Co-Chairs, Sorry Day Alliance

Mary Buckskin
Aboriginal Health Council of South Australia
 
Darryl Kickett
Aboriginal Health Council of Western Australia

Bernie Dwyer
Amity Community Services

David Evans
Amoonguna Health Service
 
Alice Springs Urban Housing

Jeff Warner & Barbara Shaw
Anyinginyi Health Aboriginal Corporation

Arrernte Council

Garry Highland
Australians for Native Title and Reconciliation (ANTaR)
 
Mark Wenitong
Australian Indigenous Doctors Association

Michael Green
Bahtabah Local Aboriginal Land Council
 
Abdul Khan
Central Australian Aboriginal Alcohol Program Unit (CAAAPU)

Central Australian Aboriginal Legal Aid Service

Central Australian Aboriginal Congress

Central Australian Aboriginal Media Association

Central Australian Stolen Generations & Families Aboriginal Corporation
 
Central Land Council

Andrea Rabone
Council for Aboriginal Alcohol Program Services

Regina Bennett
Darwin Aboriginal and Islander Women's Shelter

Caitlin Perry
Darwin Community Legal Service Inc
 
Susan Crane
Dawn House Inc
 
Lester Adams
Darumbal Community Youth Service Inc

Anita O’Callaghan
Foster Care NT

Footprints Forward

Ingkerreke Outstations Resource Services.

Neville Perkins
Institute for Aboriginal Development

Pat Brahim
Julalikari Council Aboriginal Corporation

Larissa Behrendt
Jumbunna Indigenous House of Learning

David Scholz
Kakadu Health Service

Barbara Quirk
Katherine Crisis Accommodation and Support Program

Sean Heffernan
Katherine West Aboriginal Health Board

Barayuwa Mununggurr
Laynhapuy Homelands Association

Lhere Artepe

Brooke Whitaker
Local Community Services Association

Reggie Wundjal
Malabam Health Board
Laurencia Grant
Mental Association of Central Australia

Eddie Mulholland
Miwatj Health Aboriginal Corporation

Dea Thiele
National Aboriginal Controlled Health Organisation (NACHO)

National Indigenous Youth Movement of Australia

National Indigenous Television Ltd

Priscilla Collins
North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency

Toni Vine Bromley
Northern Territory Shelter

NSW Reconciliation Council

Caitlin Perry
NT Association of Community Legal Centres Inc

Jeff Hulcombe
Pintupi Homelands Health Service

Queensland Aboriginal and Islander Health Council

Muriel Bamblett
SNAICC

Walter Shaw
Tangentyere Council

Revd Sealin Garlett
Uniting Aboriginal & Islander Christian Congress

Muriel Bamblett
Victorian Aboriginal Child Care Agency (VACCA)

Jill Gallagher
Victorian Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (VACCHO)

Frank E. Guivarra
Victorian Aboriginal Legal Service

Sharijn King
Waltja Tjutangku Palyapayi Aboriginal Association

Andrew Johnson
Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS)

Lin Hatfield Dodds
ACOSS

Olga Havnen
ACOSS

Ara Cresswell
ACT Council of Social Service
 
Licia Kokocinski
Action on Disability within Ethnic Communities Inc

Ray Cleary
Anglicare Australia

Anglicare Central Queensland Ltd

Karine Sheelshear
Association to Resource Cooperative Housing, Sydney

Association of Childrens Welfare Agencies

Don Baxter
Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations

Gordon Melsom
Australian Federation of Homelessness Organisations

Deane Welsh
Australian Institute of Welfare and Community Workers

Simeon Beckett
Australian Lawyers for Human Rights

Gerardine (Ged) Kearney
Australian Nursing Federation

Sandie de Wolf
Berry Street Victoria

Canberra Rape Crisis Centre

Jack de Groot
Caritas Australia

Central Australian Remote Health Development Services (CARHDS)

Tony Pietropiccolo
CentreCare Western Australia

Rev Rod Benson

Centre for Christian Ethics

Coleen Clare
Centre for Excellence in Child and Family Welfare
 
Community Child Care Association Victoria

Keith Lyons
Congregational Federation of Australia and Aotearoa

Angela Forbes
Connections – an agency of UnitingCare
 
Mary Bergin
Council of Australian Humanist Societies

Sue Hendy
Council of the Ageing Victoria

Nicole Lawder
Deafness Forum of Australia

Tim Woodruff
Doctors Reform Society

Fiona McCormack
Domestic Violence Victoria

Tony O’Hare
Family Services Australia

Helen Egan
General Practice and Primary Health Care NT

Good Shepherd Australia and New Zealand

Good Shepherd Social Justice Network

Good Shepherd Youth and Family Service

Jeff McMullen
Ian Thorpe’s Fountain for Youth

Julie Edwards
Jesuit Social Services

David Thomspson
Jobs Australia

Brett Collings
Justice Action

Poul Bottern
Kildonan UnitingCare

Meredith Carter
Kindergarten Parents Victoria

Liberty Victoria

Paul Linossier
MacKillop Family Services

Micah Projects

Barbara Romeril
National Association of Community BasedChildren's Services (NACBCS)

Elizabeth O’Brien
National Association of Community Legal Centres

The Revd John Henderson
National Council of Churches in Australia

Richard Menteith AOM
National Council of Churches of Christ in Australia

Elspeth McInnes
National Council of Single Mothers and their Children

Dr John Wakerman
National Rural Health Alliance

Adrian Pisarski
National Shelter

Kate Beamount
National Welfare Rights Network

Geoff Scott
New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council

Stephen Banks
NSW Council of Civil Liberties

NSW Council of Social Service

Wendy Morton
Northern Territory Council of Social Service

Gregory Phillips
Onemda VicHealth Koori Health Unit, University of Melbourne

Andrew Hewett
Oxfam Australia

Alastair McEwin
People with Disabilities Australia

Quinn Pawson
Prahran Mission

Michael Cassar
Psychiatric Disability Services of Victoria (Vicserv)

Public Health Association of Australia

Queensland Council of Civil Liberties

Jill Lang
Queensland Council of Social Service

Mary Mertin-Ryan
Relationships Australia

Lin Davidson
St David’s UnitingCare

David Pugh
St Luke’s Anglicare

Alex Huntir
St Michaels Association Inc

Barbara Hocking
SANE Australia

Mary Perkins
Shelter NSW

Karen Grogan
South Australian Council of Social Service

Mary-Anne Johnson
Tasmanian Catholic Justice and Peace Commission

Tom Muller
Tasmanian Council of Social Service

Lyn Larkin
Uniting Care Australia

Rev. Gregor Henderson
Uniting Church in Australia

Rev Allan Thompson
Synod of Victoria and Tasmania, Uniting Church in Australia

Robert Watson
Uniting Church – WA Synod

Anne Cross
UnitingCare Queensland

Rev Raoul Spackman-Williams
UnitingCare

Victorian Council of Churhces

Carolyn Aitkins
Victorian Council of Social Service 

Judy Leitch
Wesley Mission 

Deb Bryant
West Centre Against Sexual Assault 

Lisa Baker
Western Australian Council of Social Service 

Marilyn Beaumont
Women’s Health Victoria 

Angela Hartwig
Women's Council for Domestic & Family Violence Services (WA) 

Carolyn Frohmander
Women With Disabilities Australia 

Siyavash Doostkhah
Youth Affairs Network of Queensland (YANQ) 

Manja Visschedijk
YWCA of Canberra

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"I am not a crook"

"I am not dishonest," the Prime Minister told the ABC 7.30 Report last night. Deja vu? Go back to 17/7/1973, Declaring that "I am not a crook," President Nixon vigorously defended his record in the Watergate case and said he had never profited from his public service. Howard will suffer the same fate as Nixon, a disgraced exit via losing his own seat and his Government.

Vote the Bastards Out !

From Today's Crikey ...

"Yesterday, News Limited papers broke news of a leaked report by Liberal Party pollster Mark Textor, warning that 'Honest John' was now perceived as ‘Old Dishonest John’. Textor had some advice.

The government needed to seize the agenda from the ALP and, according to press gallery scribe Malcolm Farr, it also needed to "emphasise that the Commonwealth was bailing out ineffective and inefficient states".

Textor’s report was delivered on

June 21.

Has no-one yet noticed that the federal government's ''emergency intervention'' in the Northern Territory was announced on the afternoon of

you guessed it, June 21?"


"Two quotes to consider as the House of Representatives today casts a hasty eye over the 500-plus pages of legislative framework for the government's Northern Territory intervention:

Prime Minister John Howard, June 21: Anybody who's read or examined the report prepared by Pat Anderson and Rex Wild entitled Little Children Are Sacred will be sickened and horrified by the level of abuse. They will be deeply disturbed at the widespread nature of that abuse and they will be looking for the responsible assumption of authority by a government to deal with the problem. We are unhappy with the response of the Northern Territory Government ... We regard this as akin to a national emergency ... we therefore believe that the action I'm about to outline is totally justified and warranted given our overarching responsibilities for the welfare of children throughout Australia.

Pat Anderson, coauthor of the Little Children are Sacred report:

There is no relationship between the Federal response and our recommendations.

We feel betrayed and disappointed and hurt and angry and pretty pis-ed off at the same time."
 

Vote the BASTARD/S OUT !
 

Thats the myth,  Simon.

Thats the myth, Simon.

The whole Howard re-election strategy is built round a deliberate lie involving the myth of state "inefficiency" peddled through an expensive propaganda scapegoating of state governments for the mistakes, squander (hi, Angela!) and systematic withholding of funds from states for federal white elephants, like the $half billion X Mass island detention centre that apparently no one lives in.

Apart, of course, from the $billion dollar genocide project that the brilliant micromanager himself reckoned a couple of weeks ago would only cost in the tens of $millions.This to solve a crisis deliberately induced over the years, through the knowing starving of funds for needy aboriginal people and communities.

Same in the white cities, where artificially-engineeered health "crises" are induced through withholding of funds, so that the states can be blamed while at a distance, Howard's mates spin him out to be a veritable white knight, riding in at the psychological moment to save the day.

Anyway, just listening to the news on radio, sounds like the great economic manager has just succeded in inducing another interest rate rise, further reducing housing affordability and harming families struggling with accelerating mortgages and food bills.

Planning consulting co-ordinating. ...next time

One of the issues of the legislation was the permit system . It is clear that such can actually be an aid to controlling the illegal activities such as alcohol,drug and child prostitution/paedophilia.  Yet can also act as an impediment when persons patrolling such are restricted access.

Obviousl a middle line is needed and the Labor amendment sounded very reasonable, to allow continuing permits but allow those as above access unfettered, so did anyone hear if it got through?

Knowing how dogmatic this current regime is about not allowing any amendments,even if they are obviously needed ,especially when so many legislation seems to be so rushed and poorly written , I doubt it was changed.

It would be a refreshing change if there was such . I look with hope for such signals of a more responsible government process. Yet even now,question time is still filled with Dorothy Dix and rehearsed attacks by each party.  It is the smaller parties that ask the real questions now.

I feel quite sorry for Mr Howard, war criminal though I suspect he is, it is always sad to see one falling as the kicks fly ,when one is so old. His speech is quite failing ,not as clear as in older recordings,bit of a "dysarthria" of age. He should be by the fire reading to the grandkids.Or better still quietly reading the paper in Villawood awaiting deportation to the Haig . Not facing the flaying, and slow pulling apart he is receiving.

Justice but not cruelty.

BTW, I wonder if his son's advertising/pr company is receiving any of this mega buck PR manna. Naaa, he is not that foolish yet. Anyone know the name of the company?  {:)

It was certainly a pleasure to hear a well thought discussion from a leader when Mr Rudd was interviewed this morning, the nations around us will be so surprised with the new Aussi level of  Intelligence. About time, it has been so embarassing with dear old Dolly et al , so nice but ..

 

I think if the lies and deceit are recited with dark background toning, with the arrogance of question time replayed tha he people might happily ditch the dear old rodent,even in the safer seats. 

Add to that the increadible incompetence in spending and legislation-350 million so far spent on antiterrorism and our airports still  are a haven for drug couriers, lucky it wasn't a bomb or weapon. No anti-Ir rocket protection for our planes,350million and we still have insecure rail stations,no dogs routinely, no package register, 350million and we still have trucks with ammonium nitrate pulling up running for the driver to go in for a leak,  we still have dangerous good in tunnels, we still have no real effective medical care for a CBD disaster. And what of the unprotectable water and elctricity grid?

The reality is that the best protection against terrorism is not the oppress people to that point. But that is not a vote winner, nor makes much money  for those who are reaping it in at present.

And the 100million for the Outback landgrab, using kids as a Pr reason (although as Mr Mundine was honest enough to point out on morming abc radio, he has known about the problem for thirty years! Why not do anything himself????) the real question is what is the aim? Alrady they have mocked housing as an aim,despite the report claiming such would be an important issue in Childprotection. What is the real aim behind this action now? Is it just a "vote winner"? I doubt it as it has been there for so long such a lag may cause blowback.

After watching this mob in power I doubt any good intention for the sake of the goodness. I most suspect this has to do with the nuclear dump that we are definitely-make no mistake-getting , with or without the reprocessing nuke plant.     Also the uranium there is getting more valuable.All much easier if one controls the land and access to it...

If they really wanted to sort out the paedophile problem they would be targeting the white perpetrators too, who are only going to move off and prey somewhere else. Maybe our own neighbourhood now. They are known. Why should they not be hunted down and charged? Is a harming a black child not worth it ?   What is the point of the examination of just the voluntary kids? Kids at risk here in suburbia are examined  without question of parent qualms. It is the law. it just must be done in a way that protects the innocent and supports the victims. No perpetrator will be bringing his child for a checkup.

It is a shame they did not listen to the women who have been calling for protection and policing and removal of alcohol and drugs for decades. Empower the responsible of the community, that is what was called for.

No, usual poor planned arsefirst response by this regime, wasting time money and effort.. SO much could be done that would last for generations.

It will take a smart government which plans well and co-ordinates and consults to do this.

 Maybe next time.


A dissident's piece

This piece has been doing the email rounds for a while, and I've just got permission to publish.. It's by Jennifer Martiniello, a writer and academic of Arrernte, Chinese and Anglo descent. She is a former Deputy Chair of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander Arts Board of the Australia Council for the Arts, and a current member of the Advisory Board of the Australian Centre for Indigenous History at the ANU.

Howard's New Tampa - Aboriginal Children Overboard

Howard's new Tampa children overboard are our Aboriginal children.   The Little Children are Sacred report does not advocate physically and psychologically invasive examinations of Aboriginal children, which could only be carried out anally and vaginally. It does not recommend scrapping the permit system to enter Aboriginal lands, nor does it recommend taking over Aboriginal 'towns' by enforced leases. These latter two points in the Howard scheme hide the true reason for the Federal Government's use of the latest report for blatant political opportunism.

It has been an openly stated agenda that Howard wants to move Aboriginal people off their lands, and has made recent attempts to buy off Aboriginal people by offering them millions for agreeing to lease their lands to the Federal Government, e.g. Tiwi Islands and Tangentyere in Alice Springs.

There was also the statement by the Federal Government that it could not continue (?!) to provide essential services to remote communities, which raised an uproar of responses in the press. The focus on the sexual abuse of children is guaranteed to evoke the most emotive responses, and therefore command attention, just like the manipulation of the Tampa situation. But while the attention of the media and the public is being emotionally coerced, what is being sneaked in under the covers?

Two issues specifically - mining companies have applied for more exploration permits in the Northern Territory, the Jabiluka uranium mining operations at Kakadu have already hit the media because of the mining company's applications to the Government to significantly expand its operations, including establishing new mines at Coronation Hill, and another critical issue - nuclear waste. The Howard Government has already mooted that nuclear waste should be dumped in the Northern Territory, on Aboriginal lands.

Aboriginal traditional owners are absolutely opposed to this. We have a long history of deaths and illness from radiation, from the atomic tests at Woomera in the 1950s to the current high incidences of carcinomas in the community at Kakadu near the Jabiluka site. The main obstacle to the Federal Government's desired expansion of mining operations in the Northern Territory and nuclear waste dumping is, of course, the Aboriginal people who have occupancy of, and rights under the common law to, their traditional lands.

Following the stages of the Howard Government's usual modus operandi (defund, blame, eliminate), defunding of critical programs for remote Aboriginal community projects began in July 2004, with coerced changes to funding contracts, and monies for critically needed youth and health programs in remote areas being the first dollars to go.   Take Mutitjulu for example, which was notoriously profiled by the ABC's Lateline program. I say notorious because one of Senator Mal Brough's personal staffers was the so-called ex-youth worker interviewed on that program, and the content of that interview was laden with myths and mistruths. The staffer in question failed to appear when summoned before a Senate inquiry to explain and the Senator's office is yet to issue a statement.

When the community lodged a formal protest to Government, it was raided and their computers seized. But the program did show the effects of the Howard Government defunding of essential programs on that community, in particular the youth centre and health centre. The people at Mutitjulu also just happen to be the traditional owners of Uluru, one of this country's most lucrative tourist attractions.

The Howard Government would not like us to ask who benefits by the people of Mutitjulu being forced off their community. Under the amendments to Native Title made by the Howard Government, once Aboriginal people have left their traditional lands, forcibly or otherwise, their rights under the common law that every other Australian enjoys over their land are significantly impaired.

Progressive defunding of Aboriginal art centres has also begun, with a range of community art centres not having their funding renewed by DCITA in July 2005 and 2006 in the Northern Territory, from communities in Arnhemland to mid and southern Territory communities.   The art production facilitated by those Aboriginal art centres are the only means through which members of those communities can actually earn a living, as opposed to being on welfare. But then, dependent people are easier to control by means of that  dependency. The Howard Government's failed Shared Responsibility Agreements (SRAs) have also been the catalyst for further blame shifting and progressive defunding, take Wadeye for example.

Our Aboriginal communities are being squeezed further into dysfunction and disenfranchisement by carefully targeted political engineering, the systemic and ruthless roll-out of a planned agenda. It is no accident that Howard's scheme to address what he calls the urgency of the Little Children are Sacred report's 97 recommendations was trotted out so very quickly, and addresses so very few of those recommendations. It is sheer political opportunism to advance an already in motion agenda, and to score points in an election year. After all, The Little Children are Sacred report is not the first of such reports, nor are its findings and recommendations new. The Federal Government has had the 1989, 1991, 1993, 1997 and 2002 reports gathering dust and deliberate inaction on its shelves. Perhaps Mr Howard has been saving them up for a rainy election year?

And of course Mr Howard's scheme targets only Aboriginal communities, despite the fact that the findings specifically state that non- Aboriginal men, that is, white men, are a significant proportion of the offenders, who are black-marketeering in petrol and alcohol to gain access to Aboriginal children. What measures is the Howard Government going to take about non-Aboriginal sex offenders, pornographers, substance traffickers and the like? Nothing according to the measures announced, but then, they're not Aboriginal and they don't live on the Aboriginal communities where their victims live.

So who are the real victims here, the silenced victims of John Howard's scheme? Aboriginal children, of course, who will be subject to physically and psychologically invasive medical examinations, irrespective of their home and family circumstances, and who will deal with the mental and emotional fall-out from that? Aboriginal men, too, who become the silenced scapegoats, painted by default by John Howard as all being drunken, child-raping monsters. Perhaps the fact that almost every picture shown of Aboriginal men in the media these days shows them drunk, with a slab, cask or bottle under their arms leads Mr Howard to expect that one to pass unchallenged, irrespective of the fact that statistics show that only 15% of Aboriginal people drink alcohol, socially or otherwise, compared to around 87% of non-Aboriginal Australians. The greater majority of Aboriginal men are good, decent people. Perhaps the media would like to rethink its portrayals of Aboriginal men? How about some photos of the other alcoholics, you know, the white ones. There's more of them.

And what of our communities? The Howard Government also hasn't mentioned that the majority of Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory are already dry communities, decided and enforced by those communities. But then that would spoil the picture Mr Howard wants to paint of our Aboriginal communities. Other large communities, such as Daly River, have controlled the situation by only having alcohol available from the community's club and enforce a strict four can limit. Also forgotten in the current politically opportunistic furore is the fact that Aboriginal communities around Tennant Creek and Katherine have been lobbying Governments and town councils for decades to restrict the sale of alcohol on Thursdays, when Aboriginal community people come to town for supplies. So far their pleas have been rejected. Nothing in Mr Howard's plan to facilitate that, either. Or about the control of alcohol when those people, once forced off the communities into the towns, bring their problems with them, child abuse or alcoholism and all the rest. Of course that would make access to Aboriginal children a lot easier for white offenders, they won't have to go so far to find a victim.

One last word on focus of attention. In the famous Redfern Address, the then Prime Minister, Paul Keating asked perhaps the most important question for all Australians to consider. He said 'We failed to ask the most basic of questions. We failed to ask - What if this were done to us?'  What if this were done to us - to Mr and Mrs Average Australian, to our schools, youth centres, health centres, access to medical care, communities, homes, children, grandchildren?

After all, current national health reports from a wide range of health organisations name sexual abuse of non-Indigenous Australian children as a crisis area in need of urgent attention. And the numbers of victims are higher. National reports into mainstream domestic violence, alcohol and substance abuse also call for urgent action, again the issues are at crisis level, and the numbers of victims and abusers are far higher than in the Little Children are Sacred report. None of the recommendations in all of those hundreds of national health reports recommend compulsory sexual health tests for every Australian child under sixteen. Not one of them recommends that a viable solution is closing down youth and health programs, in fact they all advocate that more are needed. None recommend that the victims' or the offenders' communities and homes should be surrendered to the Federal Government and put under compulsory lease agreements, and none advocate processes which would lead to either the victims or the abusers losing their rights under common law to their property as measure to control or remedy the occurrence of abuse. Would the Howard Government even dare to contemplate such as that? I think not. It would be un-Australian, and the Government it would expect immediate legal repercussions on the grounds of impairment of human rights, extinguishment of rights under common law, discrimination, and a raft of other constitutional issues. Besides, Mr and Mrs Average Australian don't, for the most part, live on top of uranium and mineral deposits or future nuclear waste dumps.

But seriously, the most critical question for all Australians to ask themselves in the lead up to this year's Federal Election is just that - What if it were done to us? With full acknowledgment of what has already been done to workers, trade unions, student unions, public primary, secondary and tertiary education, elderly care, palliative care, medicare, crisis health care, nurses, teachers, multicultural affairs, migrant groups, women, child care, small businesses and artsworkers, among the many, through the exercise of policies of social engineering and fear, your answer at the polling booth may just determine whether it will be done to you, or continue to be done to you. As reported in the Sydney Morning Herald 25th June, the Howard Government last week used the military to seize control of 60 Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory, which are now under military occupation. This is not Israel and Palestine. The Northern Territory is not Gaza or the West Bank. This is Australia - but is it the Australia you thought you lived in? Walk in our shoes, Aboriginal Australia's, and ask yourselves, what would it be like to have this done to us? And then, walk with us.

Thanks so much, Margo, it all is becoming clearer and yellower

Thank you, Margo, for posting this piece. Certainly worth saving and perhaps even added onto the introductory piece above . And what a wide range of connected names and organisations have signed the dissent letter to Mr Howard's "military" invasion. A new Captain Arthur Philip might be a rather uncomfortable metaphor.

I still do not understand – why not just have a full and proper police presence? After all, that is what has been asked for right from the start by the locals. Now I am starting to understand the "overkill" military solution – certainly not what the average Mr and Mrs Suburbia would expect marching down their streets if they had a paedophile/drug network problem.

How can this be called cleaning up the paedophile atrocities if the majority of offenders are not even chased? Is it because they are white, and perhaps some of them from sensitive powerful mining companies ... or had road trips ... from Adelaide even ... had road accidents even ... ?

And I am sure the mining companies are a bit tetchy about being named as havens for these predatory monsters ... why should they be protected? And did any of the other employers or company officials/boards have any idea of what was going on? Is that not a crime?

And securing the lands for the new dumps and reprocessing plants to stop those pesky protestors coming up and any indigenous protests too...nothing like a good Abrams for that, even if it hasn't got the DU. Oh heck , just joking. I presume they don't have any Abrams tanks. That would be really silly.

I agree there is a great deal to the timing, not just political like the Tampa, but also to prepare the way for the done deal nuclear waste dump our nation will become for the world's nuclear industry

(I think the Wilderness Society sums it all up best.)

Cheers

PS. Forgive the direction change, but about an earlier discussion here:...

Oh and Jenny, just a little curious if I may intrude in your discussion with someone else, exactly what freedoms have been saved for us by the slaughter of our best and fittest under the command of the worst and most foolish? Was it the freedom to be nuked at Maralinga? To supply soldiers for their wars in Europe? Was it not really just one empire against another, one financial system against another?

And truly was not Gallipoli an example of eleven or so months of slaughter of our bravest and noblest while the Brit command had tea ? The real lesson was never again to be under the command of those who are not yours, nor value yours as you do. It is interesting to read the cabinet minutes from those times and see the impact of what happened.

And perhaps you can explain how our allies helped the freedoms of the Russian people by allowing the transit Trotsky from his arrest in Canada to Russia when his intention of rebelling against the Czar, our ally, was well known and funds raised from his trip to Wall Street.

History of wars is rarely about freedoms of the peoples ,but usually about changes of power for the elites. "A bayonet with a worker at both ends." So let us not be silly about the reason for WW1. Nor let us sully the memory of those who bravely volunteered and were slaughtered. Let us instead examine the real history and learn from it.

If you read anything about war, read this one thing to help with an understanding of what we all should really know for the sake of our freedoms and be taught from kindergarten.

And if anyone calls it snivel, they might like to read the evacuation of Gallipoli, as written by Monash, there to the end, and think of those last 170 we never hear of nowadays.

Interesting how Monash was willing to give up the ANZAC doctors and nurses to the Turks and trust to their good care.

Cheers

When's the emergency Parliamentary recall?

John Howard announced his national emergency policy with the pledge to recall Parliament during the winter break, around July 22, to pass the necessary laws. Didn't happen. Has the emergency passed?

Howard? Yes he IS 97% FACT FREE.

The Wife and I have been on the road to Queensland for the last seven days.

As one courageous journalist commented – “Howard can talk 19 to the dozen without saying one thing he really believes in”.

I have often thought of the media situation in Howard's Australia since 1998, when IMHO, he sold his soul and his country. Who says crime doesn't pay?

He definitely bought the corporation's media to begin with but, I seem to remember that with the introduction of his sedition laws, some of the minor media complained and the Fairfax CEO had a private meeting with the spiteful little schoolboy.

I have not changed my opinion that, since Howard gained the Senate, he has legislated to remove any opposition to his dictatorial power, including that which would make all independent media outlets sit up and take notice.

(And with the usual charisma of a footballer's knee – Ruddock said it's ok if what is said is in “good faith”! Fair dinkum.)

I seem to remember two comments that actually came from the MSM called “There will be no independent media if Howard has his way” and “The Right to Know”?

However, wasn't the Fairfax CEO appointed to the ABC? And Howard went to the U.S. to check his move with Murdoch?

Nevertheless, whatever the moves and counter-moves may have been, there is no doubt that the venal MSM is once again protecting Howard and his moronic robots.

The unfortunate truth for the Australian people is that the ABC and SBS are being “pushed” into pushing the Howard wheelbarrow – especially Chris Ulman.

The more Howard tries to destroy the Constitution, its spirit and its intent, the more he shows his fascist intentions. Check with “A Fascist Australia”.

The Australian people – even with the best intentions, cannot win the Senate majority at the next election. However, we can give ourselves a solid return to freedom in the House of Representatives by electing the Australian Labor Party.

Whilst the Liberal/Nationalist Coalition would still have Senate checks and balances over a victorious Australian Labor Party, the opposite would be true if the Howard fascists were to win in the Lower House again.

Think and reason for our future.

NE OUBLIE.

Howard's plan likely to create more social dysfunction

It is worth recalling that a large-scale unregulated movement to towns associated with the Pastoral Award decision in the late 1960s led to many of the social ills that remain in NT town camps. In the present policy climate of uncertainty we run the risk of repeating this migratory effect at a higher level and amplifying the marginalisation of indigenous people that lies at the very heart of social dysfunction.

Only last year, Gary Johns, head of the conservative and influential Bennelong Society, warned the Government that policy changes would spark a move away from remote communities, creating problems in north Australian towns. Rather than encourage rural decline and prepare for a refugee influx, as Johns predicted, serious action needs to be taken to address investment backlogs in education, housing, health and economic development in townships and outstations in the Aboriginal-owned hinterland.

Such investment is essential to avert the likelihood of people moving once again from rural poverty to far more extreme poverty in urban slum dwelling situations. Evidence suggests that a potential socioeconomic disaster may well emerge.

Unintended consequences of policy on the run need to be avoided at all costs by more considered policy-making.

Says ,Jon Altman director and John Taylor  deputy director of the Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research at the Australian National University.

Having lived in Darwin and Cairns, I drive by these town camps nearly everyday. I have seen the squalid conditions of the people who live in them. The town camps will overflow with people fleeing from Howard's Jackboots. Why does Brough think he knows better than people like Jon Altman?  

 


Indigenous groups rising...

It has taken some time but some very serious Indigenous players are asking some of the hard questions.

Tonight, here with Ms Bev Manton ... note in particular some of her comments about Noel Pearson.

Russell Darroch

Surprise surprise - all that money

Interesting point in that link Russell. The NSWLC administers a statutory investment fund of over 600 million and land with a UCV of around 2 billion.

And yet many NSW indigenous people in that State, especially in the remoter communities and places like Redfern, are living in ciricumstances most of us would not tolerate for five minutes. The evidence is there to see for anyone who has been through places like Wilcannia and other western towns and into suburbs like Redfern.

But it seems the money and assets are there. The NSW population of indigenous people is the largest in Australia, but is nonetheless a very small percentage of the NSW population. In the 2001 Census around 130 000 claimed to be of indigenous descent. And some of those, including my own indigenous relatives,  have a mighty big dash of white blood, and are fully assimilated into the wider community. Yet they are, as they claim of indigenous descent, and are entitled to various benefits as a result.

The increase in numbers over the 1996 Census is in part attributed to more people idetifying themselves as being of indigenous descent.  

At least three quarters of those idenitfying as such in NSW live in three main regions, Sydney (around 30,00) Coffs Harbour, about the same number, and Wagga Wagga around 20 000. So only 25% are living in remote areas of the State or in small numbers around other eastern coast towns. 

But irresepective of where they live in NSW there is clearly no reason, with that sort of money and assets held on their behalf, that any indigenous child should be living in poverty in that State.

What 's the bet though that the majority of indigenous people, outside the indigenous burueacracy in charge of it, has any idea that this money even exists or that they ever go near any of the said lands. I might be wrong but I would be prepared to put my money on it that very few do.

Maybe the indigenous people in the State as a whole should be consulted as to whether they would prefer to realise on those land assets and investments with the funds invested directly into their community, or even distributed between them all.  

No suprise

Jenny Hume, it is no suprise to me that the indigenous people have no idea that there is all that money out there. As I have said before somebody has got to start telling the truth about the rorts and rip-offs by some of the so called "elders".

On a trip to Alice Springs we were told stories by the locals that would make your hair stand up. One story told to us by a local was as follows, an elder walked into his shop with a chit from the government for the supply of 250 electric frypans at $45 each, as they had no use for these items he took $2500 in cash instead. So the taxpayer was stuck with bill for $11250-00. When I asked why he did not report it, he said it would not make any difference as they would just get another chit next week and go somewhere else.

WHY does anyone vote for the Howard "New Order"?

I came across an interesting article while reading one of Margo's links -  it is by Malcolm Mackerras, June 10, 2003, AFR.

(I think Scott and I are still at a loss about links - even my old shipmate John Pratt has no trouble with it at all).

The relevant parts I would like to record are as follows:

Howard flies constitutional kite.

Over the past 30 years John Howard has always been the Liberal Party's candidate for Bennelong at federal general elections.  So what?  Not much, except this.  Over that same period of 30 years there have been 15 proposed constitutional reforms unsuccessfully placed before the Australian people.

So Howard's record is a smidgin more reformist than that of the
Australian people but markedly more conservative than his fellow politicians.  Suddenly this conservative politician takes the road to Damascus (sorry, a flight to Adelaide) and we witness a Alpine conversion with Howard proposing radical constitutional reform.

Richard:   Ernest, for copyright reasons I can't publish an extract as large as that which you've provided.  Send the link in a NFP comment and I'll put it in.  If you care to leave an email address I might be able to help you out.

COMMENT:  A brilliant and spot on analysis.  I wonder if Malcolm still has a job?

This prediction clearly explains how the advice Howard receives from his foreign Corporations - Military or otherwise - maintains control of the spiteful little schoolboy.

MARGO : Could this type of truth and clever reasoning be made into another thread?

"Howard flies constitutional kite".

G'day Richard,

I found that article in one of Margo's links and having found it, I moved on"!

Margo quoted Malcolm Mackerras, June 10,2003, AFR.

Richard:  Aha! Found it

But I just lost your email address.  Could you send it back so I can contact you?

A STAFF shortage gripping

A STAFF shortage gripping Cairns Child and Youth Mental Health Services means it will soon have just eight people to treat its 956 clients. 

The shortage has forced clinicians to cut some services and there are fears the problem will increase pressure on staff and drive morale down.

Two child psychiatrists, a registrar, two forensic clinicians and five general clinicians man the Abbott St facility but two of the clinicians will leave in coming weeks.

"It is hard to attract mental health clinicians to come anywhere in Queensland and Australia," Cairns Integrated Mental Health Service executive director Kevin Freele said.

Lack of staff is already causing regional areas of Queensland to cut back on child and youth mental health services. Where are all the support workers going to come from? Lack of funding and lack of foresight has caused the problem. Howard and his mates have no answers. 

Yeah right Jenny

Yep, right Jenny, just wash aside 60,000 years of history as if it is of no account.    That's nice of us isn't it?

While we maunder on about the graves in Gallipolli, another nation that we illegally invaded and committed mass murder in.   While we snivel on about the Kokoda Track, and the Somme and all our glorious "wars", the so-called forging of our nation we should simply deny 60,000 years of real history.

Right dear?

And Eliot, Ramsey is not always wrong, and Latham has been proved to have been correct on almost everything he said.

Interest rates did go up 4 times, housing affordability is the worst in history, Bush is a dangerous maniac, Iraq was and is a disaster, the forest policy was pure genius and now Tassie is going to be polluted further with dioxins in the pulp mill, they got no money to protect the old growth forests and not one job got saved.

Free health care for the elderly was excellent and look what the Howard lot have done - we have old people living in underfunded and understaffed second rate nursing homes.

Latham's crime was to have a vision that the Murdoch hacks didn't like.

Graves and delusions about lizards

Mary wrote this: While we maunder on about the graves in Gallipolli, another nation that we illegally invaded and committed mass murder in.   While we snivel on about the Kokoda Track, and the Somme and all our glorious "wars", the so-called forging of our nation we should simply deny 60,000 years of real history.

Well, I thought about that statement this morning when I read about the last survivor of the Djoki clan (SMH today) placing great importance on the preservation of the sacred and burial places of his ancestors which happen to be near the big Koongarra unranium deposit. He will not allow mining there as that might disturb the graves and sacred places and he makes special mention of the place where the big blue tongue lizard or its spirit still dwells. Fair enough I say. I can relate to graves and spiritual and religious beliefs being important.

But if we go back to the God Delusion/Morality thread we will find that those of us who have a belief in a power greater than ourselves, (for us Christians that being a God,) and derive spiritual comfort from that belief, are often ridiculed, told we are deluded, even mentally ill, would believe in faeries and Santa Claus, and could possibly even be considered child abusers if we teach our kids to accept our beliefs for themselves. 

We are told very firmly that those delusions must not be allowed to play any role in the decisions made by the Government of this country.

So do we tell our indigenous people that belief in the spirit of the big blue tongued lizard is just a delusion and should not be taken seriously when it comes to being advanced as a reason to stop the mining of what is said to be a deposit of unranium supposedly worth some 5 billion. Should we allow the big lizard delusion to stop the indigenous people as a whole benefiting from that deposit. Suppose we mine the stuff and require the mining company to invest the whole of the profits  back into indigenous communities. Should the lizard be allowed to prevail over indigenous needs.

Now, I happen to think that the yellow stuff should be left in the ground because it is so dangerous, but if that were say aluminium, how strong would the argument be that the big lizard must be afforded greater importance? After all, notwithstanding that the blue tongues can be proven to exist, any belief in the power of a big one is just another God type delusion is it not?

Just pondering folks, not making judgments. But those who would deride us believers might like to ponder this one a bit too.

Mary No, and how pathetic

Mary:  While we maunder on about the graves in Gallipolli, another nation that we illegally invaded and committed mass murder in.   While we snivel on about the Kokoda Track, and the Somme and all our glorious "wars", the so-called forging of our nation we should simply deny 60,000 years of real history. Right dear?

No dear. Wrong.  And you may care to remember that the freedom you enjoy was due to those whose deaths we snivel over as you put it.

I don't think I have read anything quite so pathetic on WD as what you have written here.

Over and out.  I cannot be bothered engaging with you.

Simplistic responses to simplistic responses

Thanks Mary J for the link to the Alan Ramsey editorial in the Herald:

It tells precisely what the Government is up to under the cover of the Prime Minister's professed social conscience for the welfare of little black children, an issue ignored, abused or misused by white Australia for two centuries.

I don't mean to be picky, but isn't Alam Ramsey the genius who, four days before the last Federal Elections, announced a Latham victory because Mark "had all the answers" and pronounced John Howard "clearly worried" by the polling trends or something?

I mean, this was at a time when even Mark Latham was beginning to fear he was about to be thrashed, no?

I may be mistaken about that (but I think it was Ramsey), but anyone who reduces something like the current panic over Aboriginal child abuse to an "explanation" that simple is almost certainly going to be off Mark again, excuse the pun.

I don't for a moment imagine what John Howard is supposedly trying to do with the remote Aboriginal communities has a bat's chance of working.

In fact, I don't think anyone has a hope of "fixing" the supposed "problems" in question, because I'm fairly sure nobody really understands what the supposed problems are, and I'm also fairly sure the ideologically driven response of the government to the issue of child abuse in Aboriginal communities cannot be reduced to simplistic, just-so conspiracy theories like the "land grab" theory.

Otherwise, why would people like Noel Pearson be supporting the intervention?

Also, I doubt that merely reiterating clichés about "consulting", "dialogue" and "cultural awareness" is likely to resolve issues that possibly have more to do with irreversible cultural impacts endured by a traditional society being more or less steam-rollered by global, industrial commercial culture.

If the "land grab" theory proves baseless, those vesting so much rhetorical energy in it will have few alternative means at their disposal when having to address the sort of intractable social impacts and outcomes that have given rise to the moral panic that is now gripping the Federal Liberal Party.

In a nutshell

Eliot Ramsey:  Also, I doubt that merely reiterating clichés about "consulting", "dialogue" and "cultural awareness" is likely to resolve issues that possibly have more to do with irreversible cultural impacts endured by a traditional society being more or less steam-rollered by global, industrial commercial culture.

That puts it in nutshell. On this issue you have got a better grasp than most. And it's been too much a focus on quick fix solutions of the symptoms of the problem, without really coming to a full understanding of what the problem actually is that is causing the dysfunction in indigenous communities. And that is why little has changed in their overall circumstances these past decades.

The history of their displacement is a given, but just what is the barrier to these folks finding a raison d'etre, a purpose, and a place for themselves that they value, in the changed social and economic landscape of what was once, their country alone, but which they now have been forced to share?  I doubt even they can answer that and we certainly cannot. And no amount of money will change anything until someone does.

And BTW to Mary:  You refer to the criminals and their jailors as having come and taken it all away...

Well I have problems with those sorts of throw away statements. The criminals for a start did not come. They were forcefully brought here. And many never were able to acquire any land for themselves at all even once free. But criminals also they all were not. Some were political prisoners.

It was probably due more to my sort of mob, who came free and settled, and who came having mostly been driven from our own lands in the old country by human progress of one kind or another.

See as you say.  We are nearly all refugess or the descendants of them in one way or another. And we may well be again if global warming is not dealt with. There are likely to be in the future huge populations displaced in the world. And if we cannot defend this country we may well be the ones in the camps in the future.

What happened to the aborigine is what has happened to millions of people throughout history. You will not be able to retain that which you are not able to defend. They were not sufficiently advanced in  technology to be able to defend their lands, anymore than the Irish and Scottish peasants were able to. But the latter nonetheless had an advantage over those they displaced.

You, like most of us, enjoy the fruits of our immigration to this country.  And I for one take no issue with the Government over how it chose to defend it in the 1940s. And we may well have to defend it again one day. I would fight to do so as the indigenous people did. What would you do?

 

Brough has no idea

The CAO is a peak Aboriginal body representing organisations such as CAAMA Radio, the Central Land Council, and the Aboriginal Congress in Alice Springs.

The CAO's Graeme Smith says community confusion is rife as the federal Government seeks to clarify its position on health checks for children and other issues.

"He [Mr Brough] said on one hand he's going to ban porn, ban substance abuse, ban alcohol from communities for six months and then the next couple of days he turns around and says, hang on maybe wet canteens is the way to go," he said.

"I mean, this is just policy on the run."

Mr Brough is creating confusion in aboriginal communities: one day it's no grog next day it's wet canteens. The whole idea of a military solution to a problem created by lack of funding is ludicrous. No planning went into this federal takeover. Howard and Brough have no new ideas, no extra police, no extra doctors, no extra teachers, no extra welfare workers, no new schools, no new hospitals, no new houses. Just a lot of hot air and empty promises. All this is about is a pathetic attempt to hang on to power.

Here is your problem though Jenny

The aboriginal social structure is over 60,000 years old while ours is about a minute old.   In their culture things are based on kinships, and communal ownership.   Thing is though the land "owns" them and not the other way around as we run things.

The land is the most important thing in the world to the tribes and their various dreamings are in the land.    WE just want to buy a chunk of dirt and build a MacMansion on it and never share.

See?   Now I for one would never in a million years consider that any white arrogant bastard had the right to over ride 60,000 years of culture and dreamings that worked perfectly well before a bunch of criminals and their jailors came and stole it from them.

 

No it is not my problem Mary

Mary: No, contary to what you say I do not have a problem. The indigenous people do.

It is the problem that millions of peoples displaced from their lands through the milleniums have faced in the past, and still face today.

You nashing your teeth over the facts of our own history will not solve the problems for them. They have to confront it and we have a responsibility to help them adjust to their changed circumstances. 

You cannot change the past. You can only try and deal with the outcomes of past actions in an honourable way.

These folks may not want McMansions. But as some women said this week, they don't want to live in a tin shack either. In the past they may have been happy to live under a bark lean to, and roam around the bush. But times have changed and at least some of them do want some of the comforts of the invading culture.

Contrary to what you might think, there are many indigenous people who are quite happy to have a nice suburban home. And as some have said to me: We just wish the tribe would leave us alone.

So be careful of making sweeping generalisations as you are prone to do, Mary. They are usually false.

More on NT children's checks

Jenny - thanks for you response. There are times that people should agree to disagree.

Mary J - loved Ramsey's piece today also - he doesn't mince words.  

I spotted a piece in the Australain the other day and meant to put it up

"Welfare cuts unless kids' health checked"

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21998422-29277,00.html

FEDERAL Health Minister Tony Abbott has raised the possibility of cutting off welfare payments to indigenous parents who refuse to allow their children's health to be checked

God must love Alan Ramsey

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/give-me-land-lots-of--oops-wrong-lyrics/2007/07/06/1183351452270.html

 

If there is a god I hope she loves and protects Alan Ramsey for many a long day more for this wonderful belling of the cat.

I hate John Howard and his heathen toadies more passionately each passing day.

Marian Wilkinson is in town giving a series of talks at the Festival of Ideas - she read part of a statement made by Sondous Ismael after all her beautiful girls had drowned on SIEVX and made us all cry.

Just made us remember how much Howard loves children.

To see them go to www.sievx.com

Some clarification

Jenny, I have been following the thread of this discussion and I am well aware that people do like to point score. I have been with Webdiary either posting or lurking since the beginning days at the SMH and I am well aware of what  goes on. It was not my intention to point score and I can see by your post that you didn’t think I was doing so. Rather I was responding to your overall attitudes on a range of issues, one being equality. Rather than mix in with other's disagreements I should have used another quote from your posts. Perhaps the following would have been more appropriate:
Yep. Two systems for two sets of peoples. Time all Australians had the same rights, privileges and rules governing their lives I say.  And I think that is what Howard might just have in mind here.

To have the same rights, privileges and rules for everyone would seem on the surface a wonderful idea but we are not all born or develop into being equal. Sadly this will never be the case, some are born deaf or blind or both, some with physically disabilities, and everyone can have such things befall them during their life times. Some are born into a society who finds that the colour their skin is a sign that they are less than equal and they struggle throughout their lives with a crippling disadvantage due to this. This is why it is up governments to help equal things out, they give blind people pensions as well as others with disabilities, both physical and intellectual. They give young children protection from sever sentencing for serious crimes, recognizing that at a tender age they are not as responsible for their action as an adult. And even in the case of an adult it is by case by case depending our circumstances of background and advantage, which is why many people are against mandatory sentencing, as this is a one size fits all attitude.  

Good governance should recognize that the world is a far more complex place and to use  the simple notion that all people are equal and the same rules and rights for all would cause more discrimination not less.

No argument there Denise

Denise: Thank you for your detailed clarification. I have no argument with what you say, except your closing statement. I believe the opposite to be true but maybe this is more a problem of semantics. 

You say, quite rightly that some children are born disadvantaged. And I say that they are entitled to be afforded the same rights as a child that is not so born. For instance the same right to a good education. 

What is required to give each of them that is of course another matter. That will of course vary according to the circumstances.

The same laws/rules should apply to all. That does not mean extenuating circumstances should not be taken into account in sentencing. I never said that.   

When I say one people, I am simply referring to the fact that for far too long in this country there have been two peoples, one black and one white. And the black has been left at the bottom of the pyramid. It is time that changed.

So while I may not have been clear on what I meant, that did not give certain people here the right to make the remarks they did. They were just cheap point scoring shots that did them no credit, so I just dismiss them accordingly.  

And No. You did not do that.  

Going pear shaped

Jenny

So advocating one set or rules, the same privileges and the same rights for all Australians is garbage is it Damian? So presumably then you believe some groups should be afforded less rights, less privileges and operate under a different set of rules. Well to me that smacks of discrimination which is worse than garbage..

Jenny this is not discrimination it is helping to elevate people in our society who are stuck down at the bottom.  The concept of a level playing field is just that, a concept. In reality we live in a society that has a structure and there are two main structures in our western democracies, the diamond shape and the pyramid.  The diamond shape sits with the pointy bit on the bottom where the least amount of people are, the bulk of the population are in the middle, the middle class, and a small amount are at the flat piece on the top.

The pyramid shape has the bulk of the population on the bottom, a small middle class that are always in danger of slipping down and the ruling class at the top point.

Once a person finds themselves on a level in a structure it is very hard to move around, to go up, which is why the notion assisting people through education and welfare came about.  The best shape for a fair society is the diamond shape, a strong middle class society, which Australia was very close too, but now it is well advanced to pear shaped and heading for the pyramid.

They are just trying to score points Denise

Denise, I would not argue with that. What I was doing was taking issue with those who, if you like by default, seem to be arguing that certain groups in the community should not have the same rights or be subject to the same rules/ laws and should not be afforded the same privileges as other groups. If they really believe that, then if that as a policy would not lead to discimmination I do not know what would.

But I think they have not really thought through what they are saying. They are just trying to score points with references to Pauline Hanson and sprouting German.

Unless you just wear a glass on your left eye around here, anything you say will be pulled apart by many who do, twisted and used out of context, just in order to try and score a point. I find it rather pathetic really and dumb. Those comments directed at me were just that and were just nasty.

You only have to surf another blog to see just how nasty some people can really be. Fortunately Webdiary rules prevent them presenting in that way here, but it is a bit disingenuous in my view.

So I mostly would not bother to engage with anyone like that here for that reason.  They are not interested in debate, they just want to score personal points.

To clarify for you where I stand. I am acutely conscious of how many groups in our society, and not just black, are discriminated against when it comes to having their needs met. And I believe that is wrong. I have spent many hundreds of hours helping people at the bottom of the pyramid during my life. I have good skills in that regard and I have used them.

No. Let us afford all people equal rights, privileges and subject them to the same rules/laws. Equality is the operative word here. And there is precious little of that for those at the bottom of your pyramid.

Margo: Well said, Jenny.  

Welcome to Occupied Territory

I have just returned from the "Sisters Inside" conference held in Darwin, which brings together women from all over Australia and internationally to work in solidarity with women in prison. A local indigenous woman greeted us with the words "welcome to the Occupied Territory"..........

The unanimous conclusion was that the Government's intervention would not only fail but be counterproductive in terms of addressing child abuse and family violence. The Government's taskforce is providing women in remote communities — who have limited access to telephones, no access to vehicles, no haven in the form of community centres or women's houses and who are many hours' drive from assistance — with advice that family violence is bad and a phone number to ring in case help or further advice is needed. If it weren't so tragic, it would be funny.......

 

The use of the military, combined with Government lies and propaganda in that instance, reframed a humanitarian crisis into a matter of national security. In 2007, indigenous people are the unwilling actors in the latest law-and-order morality play.

Associate Professor Jude McCulloch is the head of criminology at Monash University.

A five-year-old child was killed and a three-year-old is being flown to a Brisbane hospital after a double stabbing at Cherbourg in the South Burnett early this morning.

The ambulance service says it was called to the Indigenous community around 4:00am after receiving reports of at least five stabbings.

A five-year-old child was found dead at the scene and the three-year-old was being flown to Brisbane Hospital for emergency treatment.

Two other children have been treated for stabbing injuries at the Cherbourg Hospital.

Police are questioning a 23-year-old woman over the fatal stabbing.

Professor Jude McCulloch says that the government's intervention will be counterproductive in addressing child abuse and family violence. As this mornings tragedy at Cherbourg shows, taking police from one state to another is not a solution. There is a desperate need in all communities, the problem has been caused by lack of funding. It is the Howard government that has cut back on funding and now we are seeing the results. We must work in consultation with the indigenous women.

 

 

Anthony Mundine & the Art Gallery of NSW

Anthony Mundine was at the Art Gallery of NSW tonight as part of its "Arts of Islam" program, for art after hours. There was a swarm of interest amongst the crowd (very few of whom looked like sports fans) and so I will assume at least someone in the media will cover it, however a few comments he made had resonance. He spoke eloquently but idiomatically. He said that Indigenous people are, statistically, at the "bottom of the triangle" and that he felt the government wanted to keep them there. He said they were "Killing us psychologically" and that the solution to the problems involved teaching Indigenous kids their language and culture and to be proud of themselves. He said Indigenous problems are often mental with - and this was a rather sad revelation - people growing up and still not feeling equal. He says he has never smoked, taken drugs or alcohol and that he tries to keep a smile on his face and make time for young people. He attributes his success to will power.

The real revelation was Hetti Perkins, an Indigenous woman that interviewed him, and, curator of the "One Sun, One Moon" exhibition. She brought out influences on him, which I had guessed but am glad to see affirmed, like Mohammed Ali and Malcolm X. She also noted that from her experience. Indigenous kids in remote areas look up to Mundine. He is of course, not Malcolm X but nevertheless he is a proud, conspicuously self-confident Aboriginal man and people like him are needed.

Some idiot tried to advertise a conspiracy theory website by shouting, after the interview. I wont encourage this nonsense by citing the web address.

The "Arts of Islam" exhibition itself was comparable to a similarly titled collection in the Louvre. The pieces are beautiful in their own right but it is impossible to seperate something like this from the political context. Whilst art can soften hearts, the weakness of any such exhibition is that it places Islam in an historical context, and, can make it appear as if it has remained static in modern times. I would have liked to have seen some contemporary Islamic art in contrast, but, this probably isn't the place for it. The supplementary events by the gallery, with a series of talks by contemporary Muslim individuals of note (it would be wrong to call them "leaders"), and a series of new wave Iranian cinema, are excellent. I cannot fault the Art Gallery of NSW on this effort.

On the way home I was reading Ellison's "The Invisible Man" - there is a scene where a young black activist resorts to dangling a "Sambo" puppet on a string for the white onlookers, for money. He runs from police, resists arrest, and then is shot dead. The narrator, who isn't named in the work, struggles to find meaning in his death. I was reminded of TJ Hickey in Redfern, and, the Palm Island riots. It made me fear that the measures by the government might provoke resistance, and, meaningless death. If you start to make discriminatory laws against an already angry people, then try to enforce it over them, after they have grown accustomed to living that way, I think it might provoke a violent response. Every now and then I see these kinds of potential narratives and panic, thinking maybe I can do or say something to stop it - but of course, no-one is listening to someone like me.

But they might listen to someone like Anthony Mundine. I was talking about leaders before and I think he understands real leadership, at a grass-roots level. It is not about being stronger than others, or beating others, it is about teaching people that they have their own strength.

99 year leases

Jenny, councils are elected bodies at a local level. You can't erect a mailbox without the local citizenry getting up in arms - they are not arbitrary law-makers. Under the 99-year lease the Tiwi islanders ceded control of their lands to a Commonwealth entity. I don't think it is appropriate or equal for a Commonwealth entity to be micro-managing local communities, and, I am uncertain as to how much influence local communities have in and over the administrator (It is always easier to find bad news than good news, so perhaps something was worked out). Nevertheless Mal Brough recently declared Indigenous administrators to be an obstacle, which I think is typical of the governments contempt for other authorities.

The government linked the take-up of 99 year leases with school funding (on the grounds that this was necessary for private investment). These people have no bargaining power, and, the government has shown that it is simply not willing to negotiate. It used the crisis in housing and infrastructure as leverage to gain control over such communities.

On the other hand, I learn that the Tiwi islands have the highest suicide rate per capita in Australia. Building the school is important. The legal details seem scarcely important in the face of immediate problems. I am hoping these can be dealt with later, possibly under a future Labor government. There are real and important questions about succession and other such rights. I don't even think the leases are coherent, in a legal or normative sense. I can't see how they can have any affect on "home ownership", unless there is another instrument in place that grants individual people the right of fee simple ownership over their own property.

The long-term purpose of government policy appears to be to want to impose financial obligations on to Indigenous people. The "dream" of home ownership is a dream because it is deferred. The purpose is to force people to work, no matter how artificial or pointless that work is, over the greater period of their lives. Leisure from wealth seems to lead some people in to excess - Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton as much as any remote welfare community.

Forcing people to work

Solomon: The purpose is to force people to work, no matter how artificial or pointless that work is, over the greater period of their lives.

If the purpose is to force people to work then it won't work. And benefits would not be taken away for failure to work for that would simply disadvantage the children even more. So it does not happen, at least not in our small community where half the population is of indigenous descent and where only a very small number are actually employed.

The Government provides cheap rental housing in quite comfortable little homes which are no better and no worse than most homes in the town. There is a good school but attendance is erratic.  I was told recently the kids are given a vegemite sandwich and a hot drink on arrival.

All the repairs and maintainence on the houses are done at government expense, since it is the landlord. Even the lawns are mown as part of CDEP work. So understandably there is little incentive to work and I have not seen any pressure placed on people to work. If it was we would know about. There is plenty of work around but no takers.  With the sort of money that could be earned in the district the indigenous people would soon be able to afford the price of a house in the town as they are so cheap, but they show no desire to go down that path from my observation these past 15 years.

So the village sleeps and survives largely on welfare, and people just accept that that is the way it is, both black and white. No one rocks the boat either way, certainly not the governement by trying to force people to work.

The other day I was asking a local was there much mixing between the kids out of school, and he said that up to about the age of 10/11 they got on really well together but beyond that the black kids would pull each other into line by condemning any kid that mixed with the whites, saying: You mix with white fella. He said once that process started the kids drifted back to their own ethnic group. In effect peer group pressure which has led to a sort of voluntary apartheid.

I cannot see any attempt to force people off welfare in those northern communities has any hope of success at all. There is no good just creating meaningless work.

As for local councils, they are elected bodies which are charged with maintaining services to the community and setting guidelines for development. They collect the rubbish for instance. They control stray dogs. They have a vital role to play in all white and mixed townships. I do not know what system of community management exists in the all indigenous and remote communities. 

But it seems to me that the indigenous communities we see on news film could do with garbage collection and dog control services for a start. Much is written about poor health standards in these communities. We all know that standards of living play a big part in the health of a person. Sleeping and playing/sitting in the dirt with all those dogs, which I would suggest probably never get to see a vet in their lives, would alone create health issues. A program of vacinnation and deworming of all dogs might help and a system of dog registration and castration should be considered in the longer term. Fortunately hydatids is more confined to other areas of Australia because otherwise it would be devastating to indigenous people in those settlements. But dogs  can carry all sorts of diseases especially skin diseases, as well as worms.

When I nursed indigenous children in Darwin many years ago now,  by far the most common illness in small babies and toddlers, was gastro enteritis, which can be life threatening to a small child, and of course some did die. Squalid living conditions and bad food are the primary causes of such diseases some of which are infectious. So health education needs to be given priortiy.

But at the end of the day you can put all the services in the world into any community and pour all the money you like into it and in the long term find that nothing has changed. People have to have a sense of purpose, a raison d'etre. They have to feel a need and have a desire to change the circumstances in which they live, and they have to be the drivers of that change. If they are not well......we all know the end result.    

So until there is real engagement in this process of intervention for the purpose of change, then any benefits will be very short lived.  But I am prepared to reserve judgement on Howard's plan till we see just what the outcomes are.

Cheers Solomon.

Money Earned As Against Money Made

Out of a nation of twenty-one million only a very small – indeed, tiny – percentage work in the mining industry. As a shareholder Jenny, you make money rather than actually earn money – someone else does that; you merely profit by it; so, no, you don’t actually contribute anything back into the wealth of the country or as a community as a whole, you simply exchange the money that someone else has earned for you for goods and services that someone else has provided. The money you earn, as against the money you make, on the other hand, is a contribution to the wealth of this nation and its economy.

 
If wealth is found on the lands owned by Aboriginal people than they should have that wealth to dispose of as they please. If they wish to sub-contract to Western Mining or Santos
the job of digging it up or pumping it out or whatever, then that should be up to them.

You say: “As for those who owns the minerals under the earth. I say the Australian people as a whole, whether it be under our land, or the neighbour's,” I wonder if you would be of the same opinion if it happened to be on your piece of land that vast mineral wealth was found!

You go on to say: “Yep. Two systems for two sets of peoples. Time all Australians had the same rights, privileges and rules governing their lives I say.” 

 
Sounds like the same sort of garbage that Pauline Hanson used to come out with.

 
You reckon: “And I think that is what Howard might just have in mind here”. I think not. What Howard has in mind is simply to take away the rights of the Aboriginal peoples to have a say in what can or can’t be done with their land – let alone give them any chance to profit by the wealth that may be discovered there.

Strange ideas

Yes strange ideas some people have.  Money invested by people in shares Damian is in many cases money they have earned and accrued through a life time of hard work, yes earned.  And when they retire, if they chose to invest their hard won savings in companies that will return them a profit, and then spend that money buying goods and services, be it food or whatever, even aged care, it seems to me the community continues to profit from their labours and their wise management of the fruits of those labours.

I doubt that you live in poverty Damian. I imagine you share in the wealth of this country like most do, much of which is gleaned from mining and from those who invest in mining, namely the shareholders.  And if you have money in any super fund then you too probably have a stake in mining companies.

And in any case, it is irrelevant where one derives one's income. If one invests one's earnings/income in Australian companies, mining or otherwise, then one is contributing to the wealth of the country as a whole, and thereby benefiting the community as a whole.

And no Damian. If mineral wealth lay under our farm we would not have much say in the matter if a mining company wanted to access it, and would not benefit from it other than by a limited amount of compensation for the loss of the use of the land.  Just as we had no say when the government did decide to put a freeway smack bang through the middle of the family farm, thus destroying the livelihood of two families. The white man in this country, who may happen to own land or property is not allowed to stand in the way of progress that is designed to benefit the wider community. We may protest, as we did, and one is compensated to a degree, but rarely commensurate with the degree of loss suffered. But we, and many others who happened to be in the way of development in this country have had to stand aside and just live with it. And we did.

No I do not advocate one set of rules for ourselves, and another for someone else.

So advocating one set or rules, the same privileges and the same rights for all Australians is garbage is it Damian? So presumably then you believe some groups should be afforded less rights, less privileges and operate under a different set of rules. Well to me that smacks of discrimination which is worse than garbage..

Money has flowed to indigenous communities from mining consents on their land. But it does not seem to have done them much good. So I have no problem with the Government taking over control of land that carries mineral wealth and allowing that wealth to be extracted for the benefit of all Australians, black and white. In the process sacred sites should be protected as far as possible and indigenous people should receive compensation for the loss of the use or access to small areas of land that are likely to be taken. And I mean small. This is a very vast country and mining being such a tiny employer as you claim requires but a tiny amount of it. 

The last thing one is likely to encounter over most of vast hinterland where the mineral wealth of this country lies are groups of indigenous people living on it or wandering over it. 

Since there is unlikely to be much to be found in the way of uranium and other mineral wealth in the coastal settlements and on the islands, (where in fact a large number of the indigenous folk actually do live) one would expect John Howard to show no interest in those areas and communities if your claim concerning his intent is correct, would one not Damian? Well as far as I can see he has not made any such distinctions.

Yes, I say it again. I believe that both black and white citizens are entitled to benefit from the mining of the mineral wealth of this country.  And I believe that indigenous people are enttled to the same level of health care, education and standard of housing as any other citizen. 

One Australia, one people - equal rights, the same privileges and subject to the same laws/rules. If that is garbage Damian then you really do have some strange ideas.

But I suppose those who just view things through the left eye are likely to get a very distorted view of the world.

 

Hard question: Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer?

JH: One Australia, one people - equal rights, the same privileges and subject to the same laws/rules. Or indeed, One Nation, Liebchen? Was the Pauline/Pasquarelli/Oldfield prospect pegged out on the right patch of terra nullius after all?

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM née Woodforde, Nemo sub Tungipin

You too Frere

You too Frere Jihad? So there should be different rights, different privileges and different rules and laws applied in this country to different groups of people?

As I said to Damian. That amounts to discrimination.

You might both like to reflect on that. 

 

Squatocracy vs. a gorm

 Subtitle: just another effing outrage.

-=*=-

Just how bad was/is it? I heard the other day, that there were about 150mio sheep (now down to 100mio, say). And yet the squatter called out the troupers to pursue a hungry swaggy. And so he (the swaggy) died. How (bloody!) typical.

-=*=-

And now Howard is sending the troupers to confiscate[1] traditional owners'[5] defining assets.

-=*=-

In order to inveigle[2] the sheoples®' votes. Well, more fool them - if they fall for it - again.

-=*end*=-

PS - aka the sting in the tail. 'They' - the kleptocracy, and their (slimy!) running-dogs - tell us we live in a democracy. What pure, unadulterated b**ls**t! Recall my 'democratic covenant,' the responsibility of all representatives towards their constituents; that they should represent the will of the majority, while protecting the interests of any minority. To which is added "And don't do anything I wouldn't do!" It is perfectly clear, that Howard&Co do not represent us, we the sheople, in any meaningful way; rather, they are the filthily-willing handmaidens of the mining industry, among other such (criminal!) rip-off masters. Recall also, that these same handmaidens lied us into an illegal war now turned brutal occupation; just how many 'pink-mist' slaughtered - in the name of oil theft? The Oh, so obvious implication is that they will stop at nothing, there is no low to which they'll not stoop, they'll recoil from no crime no matter how heinous.

(IMHO!) 'They' - the kleptocracy, won't hesitate to send the troupers out against us, we the sheople - if they think there's a quid in it. (Don't make a wave!)

-=*=-

Ref(s): [1] MAL BROUGH:

«Kerry, ... We are talking about compulsorily acquiring land, ...»

[7.30/Mal Brough talks ... about the intervention plan]

[2] inveigle v. (-ling) (foll. by into, or to + infin.) entice; persuade by guile.  inveiglement n. [Anglo-French from French aveugler to blind] [POD]

[3] squatocracy (n., skwot-ock-ra-see) Families or individuals who have occupied their rural land for several generations and developed an un-Australian sense of social superiority, authority and entitlement. [Strine]

[4] gormley (n./adj., gawm-lee) Discriminatory term used by squatocracy (see below) in reference to people of lesser socio-economic standing, or otherwise regarded as inferior to themselves, for example an abandoned wife keeping her family together on welfare payments. Used as a noun: "he is such a gormley", and as an adjective: "they are a gormley family". (gormley slumley n./adj., more extreme form of the same thing). [ibid.]

[5] traditional owners (n., trah-dish-shon-ull oh-nah-s) Wry euphemism for Australia's indigenous population, used by some rural types who are either mindful or resentful of the Aboriginal people's successful reclamation of some of their sacred sites, traditional lands and hunting grounds. [ibid.]

HREOC and the Nguiu

Jenny, from what I have read it is clear that the government strongly supports the implementation of 99 year leases, as per the Tiwi islanders. HREOC criticised the lease as being produced without proper consultation with the communities. So did the National Indigenous Times. The only explanation for this besides self-interest is sloth.

"If traditional owners sign 99-year leases they will be relinquishing control over their townships. A government ‘administrator’ will be responsible for issuing leases and approving business proposals and infrastructure development. This will remove Indigenous autonomy over local community development." - Native Title Report, 2006 HREOC

The central purpose of such leases is to allow businesses security of tenure so that they will invest in such areas, and, as the theory goes, create jobs for Indigenous people. My concern is that over time, under such leases, the government will continue in its sloth to dismiss consultation with Indigenous people and start making decisions based on what it thinks best - which will be based, as usual, on ideologically-driven initiatives. Then, over time,  my fear is that, in their sloth, the government will start to make decisions based on the "National interest".

What needs to be negotiated after this five year period (or, ideally during the five year period) is a right to veto sub-leasing and assignment under the leasing instrument. The government rejected alternative propsals by the Nguiu Indigenous people. I was open-minded about this at first but I am becoming more cynical, the more I learn. What Howard is offering Indigenous people is centralised bureaucratic control - exactly what every report says is not needed.

Foot, shoe, other

 Subtitle: all your nightmares rolled ind'a one.

-=*=-

I suppose it might fit the squataucracy's 'mindset' - in a vacuous-viciously back-handed sort'a way - that what is denied them, should also be denied the boongs. Doubly so, in fact.

-=*=-

I refer, of course, to mineral rights.

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It must'a been a work of genius - to have included mineral rights into Mabo - or whatever/wherever, but now, see Johnny run...

-=*=-

If the above is simply too cryptic, this: we the sheople are already being toadally® ripped-off by the so-called 'guardians' of our mineral rights, now we're about to experience 'equality under the law' with our dark brothers - martial law, as enforced by Howard's (suffer the little children) mineral-thief protection mafia.

-=*=-

«MAL BROUGH: Kerry, ... We are talking about compulsorily acquiring land, ...»

[7.30/ Report Mal Brough talks ... about the intervention plan]

"Oh what a tangled web we weave".

I have never believed that Howard has won these past four elections on his ability as an intelligent Politician or as a person who has the best interests of the Australian people in his aims and actions thereto.

His 30 year history as a politician has shown that he was indeed a spiteful little schoolboy who had ambitions to be one of the world's elite.  And as we have seen - at any cost.

Behind his career rise in 1996, there have been obvious signs of U.S. involvement, especially by their nation under-mining specialists, the infamous CIA.  IMHO they were searching for a corrupt and egotistic politician with "delusions of grandeur" and they found that in  Howard.

The CIA is "credited" with some of the most heinous crimes in the world since WW 11.  And this is continuing unabated.

The latest "let's be honest" spin by the U.S. is the CIA "coming clean" with the world.  Fair dinkum.

The unwarranted and completely undemocratic interference in our federal politics since 1998 has been so obvious that even the Murdoch media couldn't hide it.

With an ever increasing "swelled head" Howard is becoming more and more dangerous to the Australian nation. I even believe now that he thinks he is manipulating America and not the reverse. [His attack on Obama]

I admit to some scepticism when the Australian Labor Party leader, Kevin Rudd, argued that Howard was a "risk to national security".  I now believe that without reservation.

The disgraceful and blatant un-professional behaviour of Bush's previous ambassador to Australia, Scheiffer, and major people of his  Administration was clear and open in the 2004 debacle.

Now we have another supposed diplomat Ambassador to Australia doing the same thing - on Channel 10's Meet the Press.

The title of the "Australian Labor Party" has never had such an important meaning.

NE OUBLIE.

Land Rights Should Equal Mining Rights

Jenny Hume reckons: “The tax, royalties or other income derived from either mining or any other government use of indigenous land should go into national revenue and the indigenous people should be entitled to benefit from that revenue in the same way as all Australians.  With the budget surpluses we have priority should be given to meeting the needs of the poor and disadvantaged in this country, be they white or black.”

 
Firstly, Australia is the only country which doesn’t allow its indigenous peoples the rights to the mineral wealth that discovered in the lands that are theirs. In both Canada and the US, where oil or minerals are found on lands that belong to the indigenous peoples then it is theirs. If they wish to pump it out or dig it then it is up it up to them. Secondly, the benefits from mining revenue do not benefit ‘all Australians’; they only benefit the shareholders and those that happen to work in the industry.

 

Budget surpluses is a different matter entirely

No benefit?

Damian writes: Secondly, the benefits from mining revenue do not benefit all Australians, they only benefit the shareholders and those that happen to work in the industry.

Strange ideas some people have. The mining boom has nothing to do with the wealth this country, and which most of its citizens enjoy, as some would have it.  I suppose as a shareholder with shares in mining companies amongst others, I contribute nothing back to the wealth of the country or the community as a whole.

No matter that all that income is invested in goods and services, whether it be a tonne of superphosphate, a donation to a charity,  purchase of a fridge, food at the supermarket, or clothes, or shoes, or God forbid, the occasional trip to the coast.  Where do people bent on condemning this mineral source of income of many Australians really think the revenue distributed ends up? Under the bed? Well at least a third of it from out point of view ends up in tax paid to the Government (ie in budget surplus used for the benefit of all Australians) and the rest in local businesses. And I would suggest that is true for most who derive all or part of their income by that means.

And as for those who work in the mining industry. A small and insignificant number of people is it Damian? And where do they spend the money they earn I wonder. Support their families maybe, buy goods and services perhaps with flow on benefits to many others?

As for the squatocracy sarcastically referred to by another poster here, I will not even bother to respond. Such only reflects ignorance.

As for those who owns the minerals under the earth. I say the Australian people as a whole, whether it be under our land, or the neighbour's. So let it be mined and let the economy as a whole benefit. And if that means greater spending on indigenous needs, and the needs of other disadvantaged groups in the country, then well and good.

And I wonder why management of indigenous towns should be any different to any other. All white citizens in urban centres either rent or have 99 year leases over their property, and everyone is subject to the controls set by a Council, with infrastructure managed by the Council. But that's a paternalistic system, isn't it? Funny though how it seems to work for the rest of us, or if it doesn't there is not much we can do about it. Yet if we suggest the indigenous settlements be managed the same way it is seen as trampling on their rights.

Yep. Two systems for two sets of peoples. Time all Australians had the same rights, privileges and rules governing their lives I say.  And I think that is what Howard might just have in mind here.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. The crisis in indigenous communities is a failing both on the part of white and black bureaucracies. Time for a radical rethink.

those slags dancing around

PF Journey says:

It is obvious that the Terrorists in UK are testing out Gordon Brown as the new PM and his new regime.

Well, that would explain why they attacked a nightclub filled with young women and girls.

In a bugged conversation, one of the convicted men said that if they attacked a disco, "no one can even turn around and say 'Oh they were innocent' - those slags dancing around."

Howard's Abuse Of The Issue Of Aboriginal Child Abuse.

John Howard is making a blatant grab for Aboriginal lands in the Northern Territory  using the abuse of Aboriginal children as an excuse. Howard is using a heavy-handed approach to Aboriginal child abuse in order to create the impression for the benefit of the Australian voter that he is a caring and benevolent leader. He is, of course, nothing of the sort.

 
Howard has had eleven years to sort the problem out but now, all of a sudden, it’s a ‘national emergency’ situation.

 
Well, it’s a ‘national emergency’ situation alright; it looks very much like Howard may lose the next election! That’s the only ‘national emergency’ that Howard is concerned about – that and the fact that by calling it a ‘national emergency’ is the only instrument the Commonwealth has of taking control of the Aboriginal lands in the territories. It also seems that his mates in the mining industry, already on a roll with the resources boom, are casting their eyes towards bits of real estate that belong to the Aboriginal peoples of the Northern Territory.

 
Howard’s strategy is simple and transparent. He knows that the Australian people could not knock anyone for attempting to solve the problem of Aboriginal child abuse. He will and, indeed, has accused detractors of his program of wanting to do nothing about Aboriginal child abuse. By linking Aboriginal land rights and Aboriginal child abuse Howard has almost succeeded in convincing the Australian voter that solving the problem of Aboriginal child abuse overrides and is far more important than the issue of Aboriginal land rights. However, what the average dumb and gullible Australian voter fails to realise is that Aboriginal child abuse has absolutely nothing to do with Aboriginal land rights except inasmuch that Howard has made the solving of the Aboriginal child abuse problem contingent on changes to Aboriginal land rights by saying that the only way that conditions in the Aboriginal communities can improve, thus relieving some of the problems that give rise to Aboriginal child abuse, is by taking control of the land rights of the communities. This is complete nonsense and is a blatant first step in the eventual control of all Aboriginal lands that have mining potential.

 
I am sure that if Webdiarists were to take the time to read the seven page report regarding the enquiry into Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Amendment Bill 2006, written by Professor Jon Altman of the Center for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research at the ANU whose advice was sought on the matter, then Webdiarists would quickly realise that there is indeed, another agenda that Howard is pursuing and that the issue of Aboriginal child abuse is merely a cover for that agenda.

Land rights - failing to deliver

Well I did take the time to read the seven page report and the link to the Australian Damian has given us.

The Australian opinion piece tells us nothing. It is simply a denial that the Government intends a broader land grab and Brough makes the point that I made in an earlier post, that taking over the actual settlements is not saying that the intention is resume the broader lands beyond the settlements.

But as I said earlier, until we see the detail of the legislation, it is not even clear on what basis the Government intends to take over the settlements and what the intention is in terms of future ownership of those urban lands and facilities/houses on them.

As for the vast areas of indigenous land outside the settlements, well it seems to me that if the granting of land rights was meant to deliver greater economic prosperity to the indigenous owners as opposed to being just a sentimental pill, then it has failed. If it had not surely there would not be the level of poverty that is said to be a factor in the current child abuse emergency.

There are clearly failings at both the State and Federal level in not meeting its obligations, but no doubt the indigenous bureaucracy is also to blame.

I would suspect that those seen sitting under the trees in the settlements probably have little idea what the hell is, or has been going on at any level. Legislation of any kind is complex. With little or no education, with social dysfunction widespread, and with language difficulties I suspect that few if any indigenous people have any real understanding of the land rights legislation, let alone the money trail that is supposed to flow from it to their communities, and which seems to dry up before it reaches most of them.

But it seems to me that giving indigenous people control over the minerals under their land is a legal anomaly anyway. As any landowner in the country knows, excluded from title is the right to what lies under the land.  So why create two different systems. Why not simply issue mining rights to the mining companies, subject to meangingful environmental and aboriginal heritage/access protections and use the revenue earned to increase the prosperity of this country for all Australians, be they black white or somewhere in between. That should not preclude the indigenous people from having access to most of their lands.

Why have two distinct Australian populations with the national economy operating for one and another half baked sub economy operating for the other with yet another layer of bureaucracy? As one can see, the people simply all through the cracks.

I think it is time we started treating all Australians the same. Until we do reconciliation will just be a hollow word and our indigenous people will continue to live on the margins of Australian society.

I think the land rights legislation is probably in need of a major overhall and Howard may well believe the so called emergency in the communities is the time to tackle that issue and do away with any notion of a sub economy.

I do not think that land rights should inhibit the mining of national mineral assets or for that matter the disposal of nuclear waste if that is what is in the national interest, and I am not saying that I think it is. 

The tax, royalties or other income derived from either mining or any other government use of indigenous land should go into national revenue and the indigenous people should be entitled to benefit from that revenue in the same way as all Australians.  With the budget surpluses we have priority should be given to meeting the needs of the poor and disadvantaged in this country, be they white or black.

There is no reason why any child, black of white should be living in poverty in this country or why health and other services should not be available to all. 

What I am saying is, let us have State economies if we must, and the National Economy. But we do not need a separate indigenous economy to meet indigenous needs. For such has simply meant the indigenous people as a whole end up with the crumbs. 

Sexual abuse of children is not just an aboriginal problem.

In my work as a sexual assault lawyer in suburban Melbourne, I have encountered the kinds of abuse detailed in the Little Children report. I've heard unimaginable stories of child suffering at the hands of abusers: tales of small babies being sexually abused, of young children being forced to engage in sexual acts too heinous to repeat here.

These child victims are not the remote, indigenous "others" of the Little Children report. They live here, among us all, in urban and rural areas. They live in well-kept houses and in broken down ones, in leafy-green suburbs and in less-affluent areas. They go to private and public schools and they are white, as well as black.

Kate Seear is a former joint co-ordinator of the Springvale Monash Legal Service's Sexual Assault legal clinic.

 The Howard raid on the aboriginal communities of the NT is slur on our indigenous population. Child abuse is not confined to  these communities. Howard will take resources away from our population centres, where I believe more children are at risk of child abuse. The problem is national and more funding needs to go into support services across the country. Howards action is racist and a knee jerk reaction to cronic underfunding from Federal and State governments.

preoccupied

Seems to me, at this late stage of the weekend with all sorts of comments in from various media sources now in,  that  we were hoaxed, as early commenters Kerr and Shepherd observed. All the emotionalising histrionics of last week, so exquisitely depicted in a Canberra Times Pryor cartoon ( don't bother going there online, they've only got a flickery add where the cartoon should be), was just a smokescreen for the  Great Land Takeover and Dole rippoff ; 2007. 

Margo, thanks for the many insights.

Am gloomy and stunned,  not so much by the scale or the nastiness alone, but the two combined.

Bruff and  Howard.

Phew!!

And the tossers on Insiders were wrong

ALP gained 4% and now leads 55/45.    67% don't care about the unions, and almost no-one believes Howard about Aboriginal kids.

Wait for tomorrow too as more of my big story breaks all over us.

84 of the 247 cases of wrongful detention have been Australian citizens or residents so far.  4 reports tomorrow.

And Iraq and Afghanistan are starting to bite with mass murders in both nations continuing and stupid people like Barry Cohen daring to call the millions of Australian's who dissent "people who support the notion of aboriginal people as the noble savage".

Anyone here call someone like Lowitja O'Donohue a noble savage?   Anyone?

Alan Curran - let us get this clear once and for all.  In 1996 John Howard took aboriginal health and education services away from ATSIC and the states.    Then he cut almost half the funding.

Clear now?  Then he disbanded ATSIC 3 years ago while promising the aboriginal people they could have another elected body.   Which they don't have.

TOSSERS?

Wrong they may have been, Mary j, but you gotta admit, watching Sir Malcolm Farr, QC and Glenn "Golden Gloves" Milne AC trying to out-harrumph each other in a bizarre and hate crazed far Right hissy-fit lay somewhere between Dickens and Lewis Carroll.

Naomi Robson, eat your heart out, But not the PM's troubled office, I'll warrant.

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM née Woodforde, incite us, indeed Sirrah!

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