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What if ...? Solving the Iran stand-offby Craig Rowley I have been mulling over a question or two. Make that a whole series of questions. They are '"What if ..." questions. They are not messy and futile backward looking "What if ..." questions of the "toothpaste back into the tube" type. They are future focused, solution focused questions that ask what if we could do something, what if we did this or something like it or something else. What if we could work through a problem together? The Iranian regime has a nuclear program. It includes several research sites, a uranium mine, a nuclear reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include a uranium enrichment plant. Iran claims it is using the technology for peaceful purposes. The United States, however, makes the allegation that the program is part of a drive to develop nuclear weapons. A nuclear program for peaceful purposes, even one involving the enrichment of uranium, is allowed under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), whilst a nuclear weapons development program is not. And therein lies the nub of the problem. In the last weeks of last year the UN Security Council approved economic sanctions on Iran. If Tehran fails to comply with resolution 1737 by the end of a 60-day deadline that the UN imposed, the Security Council will consider new measures. What if the Iranian regime fails to comply? In a few weeks time the 35 members of the Board of Governors of the United Nation's nuclear monitoring body, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), will meet in Vienna and review the reports compiled by their inspection teams. They need to decide whether Iran has taken the steps required by their resolution GOV/2006/14, steps "which are essential to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear programme." The IAEA will then make its report to the UN Security Council on Iran’s nuclear activities. What if the IAEA reports that Iran failed to comply with their resolution and thereby Security Council resolution 1737? What then? What is the next move for the Security Council? Coercive diplomacy seems to have been the strategy so far. That was reflected in the first Security Council resolution on Iran in response to its nuclear programme. In June 2006, acting under Article 40 of Chapter VII of the United Nations in order to make mandatory the IAEA requirement that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment activities, the Security Council issued resolution 1696 threatening Iran with economic sanctions in case of non-compliance. Resolution 1696 avoided any implication that use of force may be warranted. Exercise of that option, the use of force, was premature. Resolution 1737 did not include a clear statement that use of force would be warranted in case of non-compliance. With Resolution 1737 the Security Council affirmed only that it shall review Iran’s actions in the light of the IAEA’s report and:
The Security Council could continue with the current sanctions and set a new deadline with an explicit threat attached. What if it does so? What is likely to happen after that? The Security Council could authorise additional and more punitive sanctions. What if it did this? What is likely to happen in this scenario? And though unlikely at this stage, the Security Council could ultimately authorise action more punitive, more violent, than the use of sanctions. What if it does? As we enter dialogue and together consider these questions, and in all likelihood the assumptions on which each of us base our answers to these questions, I hope we can look to the possibility of a positive outcome. As we’ve been discussing the issues in Ceasefire and I’ve been keeping myself informed, learning what I can about the issues raised and considering everything constructive that I’ve come across during that time, I chanced upon some old Persian wisdom: “Epigrams succeed where epics fail.” So what if we keep this in mind: People make peace. What if a way could be found, with the help of any people who want to find a way, a way without war, a firm and fair way to have Iran take those steps needed for it to be taken off America's state-sponsors-of-terrorism list without anyone being wiped of any map? What if we considered what Albert Einstein said about the menace of mass destruction?
- Albert Einstein, 'The Menace of Mass Destruction', in Out of My Later Years. What if we did compare our situation to one of a menacing epidemic? What if conscientious and expert, intelligent, objective and humane thinking persons were brought together to work out an intelligent plan to solve this problem? I’ve been mulling over these questions. Most of all I’ve have in mind a couple prompted by a quote by John Ralston Saul that Margo Kingston used to open the final chapter of Not Happy, John! That quote is: “If we believe in democracy you have to believe in the power of the citizen – there is no such thing as abstract democracy.” And the questions I mostly think about now are these: What if we, as the citizens of free democracies and the peoples seeking a democratic future, believed in our power? What if we exercised our real power, did not unthinkingly leave these problems entirely to the powers that be, and could work through our problems together? [ category: ]
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Troubles In An Island
Fiona: “Indeed, Paul. Perhaps taking their cue from Senator Nick Minchin's recent "simplifications" of Australia's own electoral legislation.”
Unfortunately, for this person I have never heard of him. I would doubt he is known for creating anything. Perhaps he should improve his game? I know both the Prime Minister, and the guy going up against him. Is this guy a chance of being the boss?
Fiona, you would make an excellent Judge. Have I said that before?
Fiona: Like most MPs, I am sure that Nick (who was a year ahead of me at Law School – hence my preparedness to use his given name) has a leadership baton in his knapsack. As to his chances, however, I am no Sibyl…(and no judge either – but thank you for the compliment).
Pyotr Goncharov on the US/Iran Stand-off
Pyotr Goncharov, political commentator for RIA Novosti, writes today that:
Job offer
Christopher Hitchens (author of 'God is not great') said in his interview with ABC's Tony Jones on Lateline last night:
Quieter conditions? Should be just what Alexander Downer wants to hear. I'd like to watch Downer discuss Petraeus' report with Hitchens, or with Ali Allawi, who said recently:
But Downer's our man in Iraq:
A suggestion (pardon my French) - balayeuse des écuries.
It Is Always About The Politics
Eliot Ramsey:
Indeed. Not before 2009 though.
There are moves afoot (I believe not commented on here) to split the Electoral College vote in the largest state (California). This would be a huge advantage for any near future Republican candidate. Now by coincidence where do you think the largest American-Iranian(Persian) population resides? Although many (if not all) would have a dislike for the current Iranian leadership it would be unlikely any (including many other Californians) would like to see Iran bombed to pieces.
What wicked webs political parties weave.
Fiona: Indeed, Paul. Perhaps taking their cue from Senator Nick Minchin's recent "simplifications" of Australia's own electoral legislation - disenfranchisement in one easy step...
The Narrative Left Out Perhaps?
Craig Rowley , if you had posted the open democracy link others may have read quotes such as:
There are, equally, many arguments against this - not least a recognition among the more thoughtful sections of the American military that once a war with Iran starts, it will (like the war in Iraq - even if the wars will have a very different character) continue for years.
Since the end of the war with Iraq in 1988, the Revolutionary Guard has acted as an "army within an army", with its own barracks, recruitment and logistical organisation; it also runs its own businesses. Many Iranians regard the organisation (even in a muted and cautious way) as demonstrating a particular brand of corruption. This is registered within and around the Revolutionary Guards as a sense that the force has "gone soft" since the revolution's early, heroic days and the war with Iraq, and lost much of its support and status as a result.
The logic of the United States's reassembled narrative about the situation in Iraq and its own role there is increasingly to depict Iran not simply as a problem in relation to Iraq, but as a problem in its own right. This may indeed appear to have a certain political convenience as the elections of 2008 approach. In other respects, the period ahead is starting to look ominous.
Pretty much all the things I have been saying. We are, though, all completely within our rights to create our own reality.
A tip: Not posting links gives one the idea to go the extra yard, and read all the material. Google is indeed a handy beast in this regard.
Talk about a beat up
Here's some more on the unfolding scandal about the freelance French journalist, Alexis Debat, who scammed the American Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) News service with a fake interview with Barak Obama, in which Obama is supposed to have said that Iraq was "already a defeat for America" that has "wasted thousands of lives."
Obama says no such interview took place.
The US ABC News checked out the stories Debat had worked on -- either as an on-air commentator, researcher or source -- and found no inaccuracies, network spokesman Jeffrey Schneider said. But in light of the Obama debacle, reported yesterday by ABC.com, a second review is underway.
Debat also contributed regularly to Politique Internationale,
ABC's chief investigative reporter, Brian Ross, said he asked Debat for a copy of his Sorbonne doctorate after a French official contacted the network through the embassy here.
The doctorate has not been awarded, though Debat has completed a thesis.
Debat said some French officials were "trying to take me down and discredit my reporting" because they were embarrassed that he was breaking stories on CIA covert operations.
Debat said he voluntarily resigned after failing to produce the PhD and that he is cooperating with the ABC inquiry. "I welcome the scrutiny," he said. "I stand by 100 percent of my reporting."
He's resigned from the Nixon Centre.
Imagine saying "Iraq is already a defeat for the USA"?
I can help you with that
Where is the evidence of these so-called "Iranian-backed militants"?
Here:
"Lebanon's Hizbollah has trained Shia fighters from Iraq in advanced guerrilla warfare tactics, according to Mehdi army militants who have been fighting British forces in the south of the country. Members of Muqtada al-Sadr's powerful militia said they had received instruction from fellow Shias from Hizbollah, the movement that fought Israel's vaunted military machine to a bloody standstill in last year's July War."
- and here:
"Hezbollah first emerged during the Lebanese Civil War as a militia of Shia followers of the Ayatollah Khomeini, trained, organized and funded by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards."
- and here:
"In addition Hezbollah receives arms, training, and financial support from Iran and has "operated with Syria's blessing" since the end of the Civil War"
Spinning out the irony.
Nice item on the bigger picture, Craig. Have something along those lines, but a little later.
Fresh from appearing before Congress, Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker had a chat with the Washington Post.
So a "fairly aggressive strategy" on the ground is part of a case for harsher sanctions. Mmmmm. What then, would an illegal invasion ushered in by "Shock and Awe" warrant? The temptation is too great, I have to say he lacks a sense of irony but not that ability to exhibit gross hypocrisy.
Then there's this bit:
Cough, cough.
On the spinning theme, there is this breaking story.
Gareth Porter and the Logic of Dominance.
Bush speaks Bush speak.
Or "let someone else try to sort out the mess I made".
Preventing chaos? He's well and truly in his bubble.
On Iran: Excepts from Bush's propaganda
In a prime-time national TV speech, President George W. Bush said this on Iran:
Where is the evidence of these so-called "Iranian-backed militants"?
Where is the evidence of the so-called "destructive ambitions of Iran"?
Where is the evidence of the so-called "efforts to gain nuclear weapons" (and how does that trump the IAEA's statement that “the Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear material at the enrichment facilities in Iran and has therefore concluded that it remains in peaceful use.")?
Where is the evidence that governments of Iran [and/or Syria] are involved in efforts to "undermine that [Iraqi] government"? How does the Bush administration explain away the statements by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki that he was "perplexed" at anger among US politicians over his co-operative approach with neighbouring Iran?
5,700 troops to come home by Christmas- George W
Paul Rogers in OpenDemocracy points out that the heart of the United States's autumn flurry over Iraq is to shift focus towards Iran.
That might explain George Bush's announcement today that 5,700 troops will be withdrawn from Iraq by December 2007.
He must be sending them to Iran.
What Paul Rogers actually pointed out
Paul Rogers wrote (as everyone can see in the quotes I highlighted earlier):
5,700 soldiers and Marines will be returning "home by Christmas", and four more Army brigades and two Marine battalions should be leaving Iraq by mid-July 2008. That would leave the United States with about 139,000 troops in Iraq after July 2008 -- still 9,000 more than the number of US troops that were in Iraq before the Bush administration decided to dispatch additional forces for its "surge" strategy.
I have been consistent in pointing out that if there is a US attack on Iran (and there is greater short to medium term risk of that occuring than Iran nuking Israel, or anywhere else for that matter), it would take the form of rolling bombing raids, not an invasion on the ground.
Iran: war and surprise
Paul Rogers in OpenDemocracy points out that the heart of the United States's autumn flurry over Iraq is to shift focus towards Iran:
Paul Rogers then sets out how this underlying shift is apparent in five recent developments:
The third part is the Petraeus report and congressional hearings.
The fifth part is laying all the blame on the Iranian regime.
Civil Does Not Mean Accepting Attacks
Actually Richard when one is called a "fool", "ignorant", and without credibility, for doing nothing more than voicing an opinion - this is not very civil. I would think that I have the right to correct any such claims. People have to learn in a free society to live with opinions that do not suit their own biases. That is something I would consider to be healthy situation to be in.
I do not believe Iran will be attacked. Actually I find the suggestion of such an attack completely ludicrous, and without any foundation. It would be a completely idiotic move for the United States to make in the foreseeable future (one that the USA will not make). The amount of opinion piece links will not change my mind on the matter. And of course I will be correct in my assertions up until any attack does take place. Which I suggest will be a rather long time in coming.
I have never, nor will I ever seek advice on what is or is not credible from certain posters. I' am surprised a certain poster would ever think otherwise. On that point he does not hold an opinion I would ever take seriously. I feel it necessary to clear up any confusion about that matter.
The point I am most curious about is why any person pushing this attack line would see any advantage in doing so (unless Republican). I would think the current Iranian enemy is of great advantage to the Republican Party. Ever reliable to come out with a crazy statement or three, every couple of months, as if right on call. A healthy harvest still to be reaped from them over the next few years I would suggest.
Worthy Questions Will Be Answered
Bob Wall
The head of the command structure of the US military is the President of the United States. If you understood American politics you would know due to political imperatives, Petraeus holds more weight than his position would imply. Probably a reason for the alleged serve dished out by Fallon.
Actually, there has not been any credibility undermined excepting in your mind. You are the person making the assertion about credibility. You are of course free to believe any assertions you read (or not believe as the case may be) as I am free to pay little attention to yours. Obviously none of your attack on Iran posts have came to any fruition.You should ask a question of relevance such as why I believe Iran will not be attacked? That would have been a worthy question.
Richard: It's time for everyone to start treating each other with a touch more civility, Bob, Paul, Craig, Geoff, are you able to do that?
Suspend the rules Richard
Richard: Maybe Margo could be induced to suspend the rules for a week and let them all get it out of their collective systems. Publish the lot, minus that word of course. And you go have a nice cold beer. Have you had a listen to Roger's CD? A lot of musos in the WD club it seems. Cheers and keep your hair on. Believe me, herding cattle can be just as bad, especially when they make a break for the scrub. But at least there is no one around to try and curb one's language.
Michael Rubin's latest
The American Enterprise Institute's Michael Rubin is at it again helping the neocon propaganda campaign along (like he did in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq).
This time, as seen in his Iran News Round Up in the NRO, in order to target Iran he's taking shots at the IAEA's ElBaradei.
Why the propaganda (as predicted by Packer)?
There is a reason for the neocons relaunching a concerted propaganda campaign (as correctly predicted by George Packer) and it is clear to anyone following the US/Iran stand-off.
The neocon campaign comes ahead of the crucial meeting of the board of governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which started today in Vienna.
Mohamed ElBaradei has greeted the recent accord between the IAEA and Iran as “a significant step forward“.
On August 27 the IAEA announced it had cleared Iran's plutonum experiments. They had been labelled by the US as major evidence of Iran’s weaponisation programme, but the IAEA is satisfied that they were not part of such a programme.
In the same statement, the IAEA said, “the Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear material at the enrichment facilities in Iran and has therefore concluded that it remains in peaceful use.”
So Iran is doing what it is expected to do to see the sanctions imposed on it lifted and the US needs an excuse to impose "additional measures".
Manners.
Paul Morrella, you wrote:
My original question, which you chose not to answer but rather went to matters totally unrelated to my question, was:
Perhaps, if you choose, you can explain why that should draw your above comment.
As you have decided to give advice, I would suggest that answering the question asked is good manners.
You wrote this:
Not all opinions are of the same value. For example, an opinion based on ignore of fundamental facts such as in your ignorance of the command structure of the US military, would seem of little or no value. Also, an example of such ignorance undermines the credibility of any other assertions you make.
Manners?
Not all opinions are of the same value. For example, an opinion based on ignore of fundamental facts such as in your ignorance of the command structure of the US military, would seem of little or no value. Also, an example of such ignorance undermines the credibility of any other assertions you make.
I'd bet the house that just a week or two ago ago this commenter had never heard of General David Petraeus. Certainly he has never commented about him prior to that. What has happened in the interim? Easy. Petraeus has given an optimistic assessment of the situation in Iraq. Our side might win the war after all. The fascists, slowly but surely, are being overcome.
I will also bet that while this commenter is given carte blanche to attack others here as "ignorant" and without "credibility", my comments, no where near as offensive, will continue to be DNP'ed.
RIchard: Not necessarily, Geoff, but edited a bit. This has been an axe-grinder of a day.. Must be the moon.
Can I take this opportunity to ask many of you to have a bit more compassion for the moderators? This has been my most difficult day so far. There are human beings between your posts and publication, not insensitive robots.
Fools Are Usually Those That Are Wrong
Craig Rowley
How classy.
Unfortunately your "unnamed source" fails to mention that the American people through opinion polls have made their feelings known. There is an election coming up in 2008 if you were otherwise unaware. Little Dicky Cheney and the other musketeers are not in contention. I have put my money on the line with my predictions (through investments). I suppose your "internet prediction pride" is on the line. I know what I find to be more valuable.
Every single day minus "debtonation day" and the apparent up-coming attack on Iran; is a good day for me. I have had a lot of those since posting here.
Bob Wall
I' am not a student, and you certainly are not my teacher. I will "try again" when I feel like "trying again". I will advise you to make at least an attempt at being a touch well-mannered if you wish me to answer any of your questions.
You have an opinion, and that is all you have. It is of no more importance than any other person's.That I choose not to attach much importance to your opinion is also my right.
Self-induced blindness?
Paul Morrella, perhaps you would like to answer the question I asked you which was based on statements you made. To remind you:
My question was:
Nothing else was asked. So, please try again.
Fools know nothing; Fallon is the man
If there is an attack on Iran by American forces (and the risk of that is higher again now), then Admiral William Fallon, Commander of Central Command, who has direct responsibility for the conduct of military operations in the Middle East, will be the one to decide who is in charge of the attack.
Fallon apparently thinks Petraeus is "an ass-kissing little chickens**t".
The Man Not In Iran
Bob Wall
There will not be any attack on Iran. Iran is helpful to the Republican Party. Iran has been more than helpful ever since the unfortunate Jimmy Carter. Iran the Swiss watch that is predictable, and always on time.
Right man?
Paul Morrella, you wrote:
But is he the man who would be in charge of an attack against Iran?
Petraeus Well And Truly "The Man"
Clearly the reason there will not be any attack on Iran in the foreseeable future. David Petraeus is clearly in charge of the current operations. All opinion polls point to this being something the American people wish to see. Both Bush and the Democrat controlled Congress are at a very low ebb. The Democrat controlled Congress at the lowest since coming to power in 06.
This has given hope to future Republican candidates. For the most part they are grasping it with open arms. They certainly will not do anything to damage the cure. This also leaves Democrats such as Obama in a tenuous situation. He now has to go after Petraeus, something that is indeed fraught with danger.
If Petraeus does not wish for an attack on Iran (all indications are he certainly does not), there will not be any such attack. All things now must be seen through the context of the 2008 election.
Use by date
Who else will "privately welcome, while publicly protesting," an attack on Iran?
Well, we'll see when that comes. When was it due again?
Damned if they don't, damned if they do
Richard: Damned if they don't, damned if they do, it seems.
Exactly. So Syria, which is has been technically at war with Israel for at least thirty years, and which along with Iran supports Hezbollah, is presented as the innocent "victim" of Israeli "aggression" because of an IDF fly-over of its territory in pursuit of a murder-bomber outfit.
In the same way as CNN, which is otherwise a pariah on the Left and not fit as a news source at the Information Clearinghouse, is quoted as an authoritative source at the Information Clearinghouse in evidence of the said "aggression".
Round and round they go...
We report; you decide ...
Yesterday, on Israeli ynetnews.com:
Who else will "privately welcome, while publicly protesting," an attack on Iran?
Vacuum bomb
Strikes and plans.
Craig, an article from Haaretz on the Israeli action against Syria.
Sami Moubayed on Israel/Syria.
Fox on Iran attack plans.
Well, to be expected that they'd join the chorus. As would a certain Senator.
Tougher sanctions at least.
Justin Raimondo on the "surge to Iran".
He mentions Barack Obama unfavourably in the piece but Obama is reported to be delivering a speech ....
More voices like that are needed, and actions to back the rhetoric.
News you will find on ...
Israel Today:
The New York Times:
News you won't find on CNN
Hey, did everyone notice that the link to the site quoting CNN about the Israeli "air strike" on Syria is Information Clearing House - which proudly boasts its supplies "news you won't find on CNN"?
Richard: Damned if they don't, damned if they do, it seems.
Bombed Syria
Can anyone link me to a source showing that Israel bombed Syria?
You know? Syria? The mob that car bombs Lebanon?
Richard: I just googled "israel bomb attack syria" and here's the first thing I found (from 2003)
(CNN) -- Syria on Sunday called for the U.N. Security Council to condemn Israel's airstrike against what Israel called a terrorist training camp inside Syrian territory. Israel said it acted in self-defense after a suicide bombing that killed 19 people.
Proxies, now Proxy
As in the header for this article, Craig:
The proxy war: UK troops are sent to the Iranian border:
Very risky indeed. Remember the warning of accident, miscalculation or misunderstanding even without deliberate provocation.
Gary Kamiya - The real lessons of 9/11.
This piece looks at why the US went into Iraq - from a fundamental level:
Read on.
They're using proxies
Damien McElroy is in the Qandil mountains reporting for The Telegraph. His latest report is Kurdish guerillas launch clandestine war in Iran and look who is helping with this attack on Iran:
Makes it highly hypocritical for Petraeus and Crocker to be carrying on about use of proxies.
Bomb Iran? Well, perhaps Syria for the moment.
Craig, according to CNN it was more than an incursion into Syria airspace by Israeli aircraft last week.
And on chatter about Iran, let us not forget the AEI. Michael "Forgeries R Us" Ledeen has a new book to push. Not all he wants to push.
Angela, that missile situation is very fishy. I look forward to your follow ups. But what did the crew think? "What are those things under the wings?" "The engines." "No, those other things." "Christmas decorations?" "Too early." ...
Over to Mechanistic Destruction ... now for some Iraq stuff.
My Achy Breaky Heart
Craig Rowley:
I thought the reason would be self-explanatory.
One group plays Brittany, and the other Kylie. If tensions continue Achy Breaky Heart will mean war! I have doubts civilization will ever recover; obviously the "sensible" press shares the exact same doubts.
Privileged knowledge?
Are six missing? Why?
Cute, JS.
But on a deadly serious note the six, or five, nukes armed and in the wing rails of the B52 and sent to Louisiana is very disturbing and not yet explained. As so succinctly put :
"1. Nuclear tipped weapons loaded and transported skirting layers of fail-safe security measures and the chain of command.
2. Nuclear tipped weapons supposedly slated for decommission transported to a base that does not have the facilities necessary.
3. Very suspicious timing. This all happens at a time when there is much talk of the US preemptively Striking Iran and/or large scale terrorist attacks on US soil.
4. Langley Air Force Base will ground its jets for a week leaving vital airspace much less protected. This announcement will alert any would be attackers that we will be vulnerable during this period....
"If initial reports that the weapons were being decommissioned, but were mistakenly transported by a B-52 bomber, then the weapons should have been taken to Kirtland Air Force Base. According to Kristensen, this is “where the warheads are separated from the rest of the weapon and shipped to the Energy Department’s Pantex dismantlement facility near Amarillo, Texas”
This report gets the number at six nukes and one sees links to footage of the B52 taking off. One can see clearly that the pilot would know there are three ACM loaded for action on his wings, and so would any air force staff on the base......
And what missile exactly was it? Wellll, that depends. If the latest, ie not a decommissioning ie that part a cover-up for a plot or a mistake, then it would be:
"...The ACM achieves maximum range through its highly efficient engine, aerodynamics and fuel loading. B-52H bombers can carry up to six AGM-129A missiles on each of two external pylons for a total of 12 per aircraft. When the threat is deep and heavily defended, the AGM-129 delivers the proven effectiveness of a cruise missile enhanced by stealth technology. Launched in quantities against enemy targets, the ACM's difficulty to detect, flight characteristics and range result in high probability that enemy targets will be eliminated..."
Doesn't it just sound so sexy, those nuclear weapons launched in quantity... remember the deep and heavily defended bit...hmmm where might that be? And add stealth to that. Isn't Raytheon wonderful?
The Commander has been decertified. Some experts allege one has to have High Authority to be able to load nuke Acmes into combat position. Did he? Was it a VP order? George was away at the time, off to Iraq.
And how bizarre to stand down US forces while still at war, to check safety??? The only thing needing stand-down is the nuclear arsenal. Permanently.
Who gave the orders? Expect the Stood down Commander to jump of a bridge soon. Or maybe he will commit suicide like Colonel Shu did, with evidence of torture and duct tape on his wrists and ankles and still certified a suicide...
This should be an open investigation. If Cheney tried to commit another war crime it must not be covered up. Crikey that guy looks so pickled maybe god will take him before he causes any more trouble. Or Tash.
Eye on the ball. Nukes loaded, stealth missiles, not decommissioning base but ME jump off base…watch....
And remember .the payload for these missiles is twelve, not six. Are six missing?? nice thought for the day. 6 stealth nuke tipped 150kton missile missing...
Cheers
PS: I wonder if the missing flyer has anything to do with this? Lot of bigwigs looking for him. he was staying with a bigwig too at the time. Transponder not go off either.
Falling apart?
According to the Hindustan Times:
They say it was one of their old American ones. That'd be either one of the perhaps 35 of the 190 Phantom fighter-bombers that were serviceable in 1986, or one of the 45 F-5 fighters, or one of the perhaps 10 F-14 Tomcat fighters.
Who knows? It may have been one of their new, Iranian-made, Azarakhsh fighters or a Saeqeh being tested.
Testing
According to Israel's DEBKAfile:
Hence, the Israeli air force breaching international law last week with its flights into Syrian air space:
Three Cheers For The IAF
May I be the first on this blog to congratulate the IAF and its brave airmen on successfully completing this intricate, highly dangerous and important mission and to express my profound relief that all the boys got home safely.
By their skill and courage the world is a little safer today.
May more not be harmed
No Surprise Geoff, you are.
Cheers
I know what you mean, Geoff
Just a few years ago we had a WMD scare based upon cooked intelligence knocked up by fraudsters and other disreputables, which was then shepherded by people who should have known better. Apparently this caused a war.
Strange world.
Nothing New In The New Yorker, Nothing Decent About Chamberlain
George Packer [?] has reported that Barnett Rubin [?], the highly respected [by who?] Afghanistan expert at New York University, has written an account of a conversation with a friend who has connections to someone at a neoconservative institution in Washington. Fair dinkum. That's the stated source of this "prediction". I am not making this up. Look for yourself. Evidently this is not parody. Who needs parody when you have analysts like this?
"See the neocon propaganda rain", they screech. " Run for the shelters guys, this means war".
This is the intellectual equivalent of making an anonymous death threat in Morse Code over the internet. The vehicle is last year's. And the message is old, bigotted, rusty, crazed and utterly lacking in the stuff of the lower abdomen.
That there will be more from the team that brought you the cowardly treachery of Munich is entirely predictable. Hear the pro-Hitler/Ahmadinejad propagandists roar.
Geoff ponts out the hypocrisy of AIPAC
Geoff:.:.." Hear the pro-Hitler/Ahmadinejad propagandists roar...". You are absolutely right to mock them Geoff!!
Just as I said in my post, nice to see agreement, shock perhaps, and just as you say the fearmongering propagandists and starting with the AIPAC conference which was an appalling piece of propagandists fear mongering nonsense trying to use Hitler as a metaphor for Ahmadinejad and all the NAZI associations.
It is an insult to those who wen through the holocausts of ww2 and especially to the decendents of those who were Jewish sufferers. It is what Finkelstein refers to, the long list of manipulating acts for some to benefit, but not those who suffered.
Actually , as I said before there are more commonalities between the Likud regime, militarised and nuclear armed Israel and their treatment of the Palestinians and neighbouring countries and lack of respect for international law than Iran with Hitler and the 1930s German actions..it is not too late for Israel to change, to accept the 1967 borders and right of return or compensate them and rebuild Palestine as a good will for all the suffering it has had inflicted upon it and forgiveness on both sides.What a dream.. Such would then reap peace and security. Faisal et al tried to run such a plan a few years ago. Iran offered Israel peace in 2003. Olmert offers Golan Heights and peace to Syria just before sending IAF through. Do they really want peace? I do not know what is really wanted. Perhaps somewhere else would have been a better place for Israel, as hotly debated in the IZC.
That foolish analogy of Hitler and Iranian leadership ,backfires when ever there is rational comparisons. Thanks Geoff for pointing out what a piece of rubbishy propaganda it is.
Now ,why would people want to manipulate others by fear ? Why would the Jewish groups be targeted by this? Why the repeated mistranslations by the Israeli Intelligence controlled MEMRI and PR rack up by propaganda groups? why target Iran at all? After sll, it is a signatory of the NPT,has broken no treaties,was praised by both the Afghanistan and Iraqi leadership for helping in their coutnries with the instability? Are human rights an issue there? No worse than our allies.At least there are no targetd killings which kill and maim so many around as is done in our Ally Israel/palestine. Is there torture? Who can condemn it here and not condemn out allies ? is there religious intolerance? How? Is it not persent in our allies as well? Racism ,sexism,prejudic against minority groups,laws against homosexuality?
Iran has a long way to go to be as wonderful a place as Australia for all peoples to livein. But so does other allies we have. Why are we ignoring them ? Why do we now even sell Uranium to non-NPT countries? Ridiculous pretensions of safeguards.Why are we condemning a country that has not broken the NPT ,unlike others we sell it to who have not even signed up to it and Israel which illegally recieves US military aid despite having nuclear weapons?
The hypocrisy of all is tangible and smelly.
And the US and Israel have both threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran, a non-nuclear state. . Rather NAZI like methinks,along the lines of the Nuremberg trials? Can we not have Pre-emptive trials?
Much less messy.
It is Saudi Arabia that has been funding (? Prince Bandar with Cheney /Abrams according to Seymour Hersh) the Sunni Alqaida linked terrorists in Lebanon, and warned to stop meddling in Iraq and funding the MEK in Iran/Baluchistan. Why are these persons not having their assets frozen accoridng to terrorism law,or their mansions bombed in retaliation? More hypocrisy, more soporific spin to remove the questions that would stop this conspiracy nightmare.
It is Saudi that has a far greater human rights crush than Iran. You will see different street scenes in the two countries. Wahabism and salafy offshoot is the mantra of alqaida groups ,the radical islam founded and funded by Saudi interests. Woolsley told the US military college that they are already in ww4,against ...and Saudi, in 2002. The Sunnis of Iraq have repelled the alqaida foreign groups and working now with the Maliki government.
Why did Howard open and the government fund a college by this radical form of Islam in Sydney? This is what Indonesia is fighting,Malaysia, Thailand, and Pakistan and even Britain.
If radical Islam is the founding and funding for terrorism and we are at war with terrorism,then we should reasses our contact and monetary support of the radical banks and colleges and lobby groups set up here and in our region. Iran is nothing to these groups. Iran has done nothing but support self defence of itself and other groups allied with it and then labelled "terrorist" by spin stooges in the governments of COW. Funny how narrow the group is.
All something ot think about. We need more data.
Cheers
Sabres rattling, gunboats steaming
More of the predicted propaganda rollout
More of the predicted propaganda rollout
Bibi is back to making Hitler and Chamberlain analogies to justify a pre-emptive strike on Iran - Netanyahu: We're in 1939:
Petraeus and Crocker are trying to lay blame for the mess in Iraq on Iran - Petraeus says Iran weapons flow into Iraq rising:
Text of Crocker's Testimony to Congress:
It's interesting that Petreus and Crocker don't highlight the news that the US are to build a military base on Iraq-Iran border by November:
Meanwhile in Britain, The Telegraph is being very selective with its headlines - Iran spy post heightens Gulf tension:Why not run with the headline that US miltary bases and spy posts on Iran's borders heighten Gulf tensions?
The base, yeah sure, and OIL pipeline plans
Thanks, Ian, for the tip. And you are right about the Murphy's law...it had happened before and so every time now I copy and save before pushing the button....and this was the ONE time I didn't ....................
Craig, I think there is more to that "military base”. How long dies it take to build a base (not a camp)? And where exactly along the HUGE Iran Iraq border do they plan it?
Any bets? Try Kurdistan. Methinks. And this just may piss Turkey off really badly. You may have noticed there is an autonomy plebiscite coming up in Kurdish areas and it seems that some are not keen on autonomy...and it seems that some are being bombed very badly and some ethnic cleansing attempt going on. Turkey has already complained about Turkmen. Will Kirkuk be included? All that oil. And just as the Transpipe plans are announced, sort of....note these interesting pipeline plans and the transnational interests involved: Israel, Jordan, Saudi, Kurdish, etc and maybe even Syria....huge pressure there... and if this goes off it makes the Iranian control of the straights less significant. And the Suez. And note Putin's nation announcing huge pipeline contracts in the ME. And perhaps Halliburton will also have a bite as it is relocated to UAE now. Craig I think you would be fascinated as a studier of dynamics to read this complete article and another picture of history it gives (follow the money eh?) including the CIA efforts in Syria:
You will note that the private interests in the US stopped a planned US control of Arab oil post war ... to avoid competition. Nice and capitalist that. Tapline:
"....The Trans-Arabian Pipeline Company, a joint venture by Standard Oil of New Jersey (Esso), Standard Oil of California (Chevron), The Texas Company (Texaco) and Socony-Vacuum Oil Company (Mobil), was a major factor in economic development of Lebanon after independence and especially in the emergence of the south, Tapline was an important industrial adventure in global trade, the petroleum industry and American - Middle East politics.
The company which started operations in 1950 was the largest oil pipeline of its time, transporting Saudi Arabian oil from the gulf fields to the terminal at Zahrani south of Saida, where it was shipped to the markets of Europe and the eastern United States."
This company owns and operates the eastern part of the pipeline (from Qaiusumah). Aramco owns and operates the Mediterranean side (at present to Sidon) and has the option of adding other routes and source pipes. See the map from the site.
Who are the owners of Aramaco? Who are the current owners of Tapline? What happened to Sidon during the Israeli Offensive? Was Haifa secure? What happened to the Gaza Gas pipeline and the fields offshore? (BP tried to negotiate a deal with Hamas.) And what of the law of the sea as to Gaza ownership?
IF the Kurd oil and the southern Iraq oil and Saudi oil are all going East via pipeline due to "Iran threat", who benefits?
Oil/money are always players in world politics but usually behind the scenes as it's benefit to the people is usually very diluted compared to the owners. Why die for oil for profits for others? That is something to keep out of the barracks' discussion.
Syria is quite critical to the pipeline, as is the Golan Heights. Watch it there methinks for deals. Will Syria and Iran stay allied? Will Syria leadership be attacked as in CIA postwar times again for? oil/threat to Israel?
Iran is in the sights but there is much going on in the background. That, Eliot, is why there is no launch yet, one must win a war and that requires all the players to be known as to their actions and the full consequences to be decided in advance and covered for and paid for.
As long as there is dissent in the ranks and in positions of power and international players of import are not onside Iran is unlikely to be attacked by the US.
Israel may start, just as they did the planned Lebanon war but that defeat was very damaging ... Israel may play its own hand but will the US definitely play along too afterwards if the costs are too high or another game seems better? Consider the Pet Saddam who misunderstood the Green light to attack Kuwait was really Amber as his time was up. The direction had changed.
A base somewhere on the huge Iran-Iraq border to stop smuggling on the entire border......SURE. And when the Iraq leadership has agreed in Finland that the US must exit at a planned time. Does this mean they are also stuck with a Pine Gap? What if they say niet?
Hard to supply such a base too....that is about to become a Baghdad problem now the Brits have flitted off. It almost was during the invasion. Failure to secure supply lines is a 101 occupation blunder. Such lead to a Saigon at massive cost.
There is more to it. I always hope Eliot is right, that there will be no attack upon anyone especially a nuclear one. This may be true until the pipeline is built as it is one of the dangers for such an action. Israelis prefer it to happen earlier due to manipulative fear tactics by Neocon acolytes, such as NAZISM parallel with Iran, really quite ridiculous, as the Likuds have imitated and previously been lined to Nazis more than any Iranian action. But no-one can see themselves with objectivity can they. . Unfortunately, Eliot, analysis of present Neocon group who have not been removed for their traitorous war crimes suggests they still have the power to continue their conspiracies to wage war and violence against their enemies using fear and hysteria and expensive paid spin and PR companies to manipulate the population. Hence the "OBL" appearance from the usual culprit who this time didn't dare add their logo to Sabah again, at the SAME TIME, as found in last video.
The Russian warning to Israeli planes over Syria was definite. Was that what was being tested??
Anyway, happy holidays, may they be sweet and may Saturday week be peaceful, and Dimona decommissioned asap...
Cheers
Spot on, predictably
On September 3, Kerryn Higgs relayed the news that George Packer reported in the New Yorker that there will be a publicity 'rollout' for war on Iran in the next week or two, along the lines of the September 2002 campaign to convince Americans of the necessity for war on Saddam. In other words, Kerryn pointed out a prediction of a neocon propaganda campaign being rolled out.
Kerryn certainly did not "predict" an attack on Iran by today (despite the very predictable straw man from the person who's been trying to prop up his misrepresentation for a week or so now).
And no surprises, that neocon propaganda has been rolled out just as Packer had predicted.
First, neocon claims that Iran is playing a major role in the insurgency (see Kimberley Kagan, The Iran Dossier, Weekly Standard, 29 August 2007), then neocon declarations that Tehran is operating "terrorist training camps" on its own territory (see William Kristol, "Terrorist Training Camps in Iran: Should They Be Safe Havens?", Weekly Standard, 5 September 2007).
That there will be more from the team that brought you the disaster in Iraq is entirely predicable.